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Snape fans not being able to distinguish that Snape was Neville's fear while Hermione's fear is being told she failed (by the head of her house & someone she looked up to) really makes you understand why they think Snape is just a misunderstood little guy.
chat idk why we keep doing this snape, while a pretty intimidating guy to a 12 year old, was only there as the physical representation of nev's ever-present fear of Inadequacy.
he is the strict, unfriendly professor of the subject neville is the Literal, Worst At. not only does he constantly scold nev for doing his assignments incorrectly, but in a way that is hazardous to his classmates (melting cauldrons, toxic fumes, etc). correct me if there is quotable evidence, but snape doesn't "bully" neville for his personality traits, he's literally just, teaching in the bitchiest way possible.
to go even deeper, neville was raised by a grandmother who was constantly comparing him to his (basically) dead father, and ALWAYS finding him lacking. for five entire years he went to Magic School with a Magic Wand that Wasn't Actually Suited To Him because she was just so desperate to turn nev into her dead son. it's tragic. it is seriously going to fuck a kid up.
the only reason augusta longbottom didn't walk out of that door is because he hadn't seen her in a few months, and she's already wearing a funny hat.
Chat, Neville said it could have been his grandmother, who likely treated him the same way as Snape. Snape was a bully plain and simple. He got bullied as a kid, never got over it, and proceeded to take it out on children like the stunted man he is. Let's not forget him intentionally belittling Neville and going so far as to tell Lupin, "Possibly no one's warned you, Lupin, but this class contains Neville Longbottom. I would advise you not to entrust him with anything difficult. Not unless Miss Granger is hissing instructions in his ear." That's a bully & honestly a shit teacher because why is a 13 year old doing a better job instructing one of your students than you???
i agree snape treated neville really badly and was no where near as objective as a professional teacher should be to their student, but we alr knew that he's a huge bastard and stuff.
i think the quote you pulled is interesting and further backs my point. the most prominent thing snape does is highlight neville's inadequacy, his tendency to be a slow learner/poor student (in potions, but also in general due to his wand). i think this being the very last thing he does before he leaves the room also factors into why the boggart takes his shape, the humiliation is fresh. i'm not sticking up for snape's behavior, this is not about him at all really, all i'm saying is that neville is a deeper character than a lot of people give him credit for.
Okay, I get what your saying & I see your point, now. My point was simply that Snape's treatment of Neville played into him appearing as Neville's boggart while McGonagall's attitude towards Hermione had nothing to do with her appearing as her boggart - it's because she's her Head of House & she's afraid of failure.
Snape fans not being able to distinguish that Snape was Neville's fear while Hermione's fear is being told she failed (by the head of her house & someone she looked up to) really makes you understand why they think Snape is just a misunderstood little guy.
chat idk why we keep doing this snape, while a pretty intimidating guy to a 12 year old, was only there as the physical representation of nev's ever-present fear of Inadequacy.
he is the strict, unfriendly professor of the subject neville is the Literal, Worst At. not only does he constantly scold nev for doing his assignments incorrectly, but in a way that is hazardous to his classmates (melting cauldrons, toxic fumes, etc). correct me if there is quotable evidence, but snape doesn't "bully" neville for his personality traits, he's literally just, teaching in the bitchiest way possible.
to go even deeper, neville was raised by a grandmother who was constantly comparing him to his (basically) dead father, and ALWAYS finding him lacking. for five entire years he went to Magic School with a Magic Wand that Wasn't Actually Suited To Him because she was just so desperate to turn nev into her dead son. it's tragic. it is seriously going to fuck a kid up.
the only reason augusta longbottom didn't walk out of that door is because he hadn't seen her in a few months, and she's already wearing a funny hat.
Chat, Neville said it could have been his grandmother, who likely treated him the same way as Snape. Snape was a bully plain and simple. He got bullied as a kid, never got over it, and proceeded to take it out on children like the stunted man he is. Let's not forget him intentionally belittling Neville and going so far as to tell Lupin, "Possibly no one's warned you, Lupin, but this class contains Neville Longbottom. I would advise you not to entrust him with anything difficult. Not unless Miss Granger is hissing instructions in his ear." That's a bully & honestly a shit teacher because why is a 13 year old doing a better job instructing one of your students than you???
I followed Maxdibert for few months and sending asks like that is really not her style, neither is her writing style. It was her troll tho. She had people who impersonated her in the past, as well as created fake rumors about her.
It quite literally is her style - she was no more civil in the reposts. When people show you who they are, believe them.
Snape fans not being able to distinguish that Snape was Neville's fear while Hermione's fear is being told she failed (by the head of her house & someone she looked up to) really makes you understand why they think Snape is just a misunderstood little guy.
I'm telling you it wasn't maxdibert who sent you those shitty asks.
At this point, does it matter? They showed that they just as cruel and aggressive in their replies. If they were totally civil and trying to have an open discussion publicly and sending this privately, I could understand people sticking up for them, but it's not like their behavior is any better in their replies.
This isn't the first time that I've been sent threats of violence or told to kill myself online, so I'm not even that pressed over the messages (I've already tried & the clean-up was so arduous I knew I'd never attempt again & they have no way of becoming physical. Like I said, I can see why they're such a fan of such a shitty guy.
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
James paid for Lupin’s life after they left Hogwarts, and before that Lupin had parents who supported him, something Snape never had. Lupin was friends with a sexual abuser and a potential murderer, and even as adults he downplayed their actions. Plus, he was a total incompetent and irresponsible, not taking the potion during his year as a teacher.
My problem is that you’re defending a groomer who even twenty years later still blamed the victim of constant abuse while that victim had been working against the terrorist group he joined for over a decade. Snape changed; Lupin just kept being a people pleaser because he was a fucking amoeba with zero backbone.
Snape had parents, abusive parents. Lupin's father was open in his disgust for werewolves. James died when they were 21, Lupin died at 38, so he spent a good chunk of his life poor. Snape, likewise, spent a good portion of his life with comfort & stability. Snape didn't change - he obsessed over Lily until his last breath and was motivated by his obsession.
He didn’t “change” because of some sudden epiphany, Snape stopped being a Death Eater and stuck to Dumbledore’s plan until the very end, even after Dumbledore was dead and owed him nothing. And yes, that plan meant sacrificing Harry, which Snape hated deeply. But sure, go ahead and flaunt your stone-level reading comprehension like it’s something to be proud of, darling.
I read the whole series, I'm pretty sure you only read the chapters Snape's in😂 Snape changed his mind because his obsession was taken from him & he was distraught - we see him go to Dumbledore in desperation.
Yes, when he’s 20 years old we’re talking about the events of that damn saga. And what obsession are you talking about? Severus and Lily hadn’t had contact for five years, what obsession? Not wanting someone important to you to be killed isn’t obsession, feeling guilty over the death of someone you loved isn’t obsession. I’m sorry you don’t have friends or that your life is a miserable piece of crap that nobody would care about, but any halfway normal person would do the same for someone they had an important bond with. I’m sorry you weren’t anyone’s, but stop projecting your shortcomings, freak.
5 Tips for Life:
1. Remus Lupin and Severus Snape make great foils & neither is better or worse than the other, it's purely personal preference
2. Snape fans have only ever been rude and aggressive with me, despite me clearly pointing out that I respect their opinion.
3. Snape was absolutely obsessed with Lily - he doesn't see her in nearly two decades but wants his last vision to be her eyes, in the head of a boy he relentlessly bullied. That's obsession.
4. Don't debate with people who tell you to kill yourself, it's never that serious.
5. @maxdibert is aggressive & problematic within the marauder's era fandom and the Harry Potter fandom & should be avoided. See tip 4.
Look at her, unable to respond to anything. Come on, freak, go home, you clearly have some little problems.
Thanks for proving tips 2 & 5. I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
Look who’s talking, the one who jumps into a debate willingly and starts playing the victim when she runs out of arguments? You don’t even know what whitewashing means, slowpoke.
I didn't play the victim when I ran out of arguments, I said I've never had a positive interaction with a Snape fan and recognized that you weren't engaging in a civil discussion or debate when you became aggressive and rude. I've yet to call myself a victim, actually, I've just said I've never had a positive interaction with a Snape fan. Weird that you claim Snape to be a victim & use that to justify his flaws and cruelty but when I point out literal violent threats from Snape fans I'm "playing the victim."
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
James paid for Lupin’s life after they left Hogwarts, and before that Lupin had parents who supported him, something Snape never had. Lupin was friends with a sexual abuser and a potential murderer, and even as adults he downplayed their actions. Plus, he was a total incompetent and irresponsible, not taking the potion during his year as a teacher.
My problem is that you’re defending a groomer who even twenty years later still blamed the victim of constant abuse while that victim had been working against the terrorist group he joined for over a decade. Snape changed; Lupin just kept being a people pleaser because he was a fucking amoeba with zero backbone.
Snape had parents, abusive parents. Lupin's father was open in his disgust for werewolves. James died when they were 21, Lupin died at 38, so he spent a good chunk of his life poor. Snape, likewise, spent a good portion of his life with comfort & stability. Snape didn't change - he obsessed over Lily until his last breath and was motivated by his obsession.
He didn’t “change” because of some sudden epiphany, Snape stopped being a Death Eater and stuck to Dumbledore’s plan until the very end, even after Dumbledore was dead and owed him nothing. And yes, that plan meant sacrificing Harry, which Snape hated deeply. But sure, go ahead and flaunt your stone-level reading comprehension like it’s something to be proud of, darling.
I read the whole series, I'm pretty sure you only read the chapters Snape's in😂 Snape changed his mind because his obsession was taken from him & he was distraught - we see him go to Dumbledore in desperation.
Yes, when he’s 20 years old we’re talking about the events of that damn saga. And what obsession are you talking about? Severus and Lily hadn’t had contact for five years, what obsession? Not wanting someone important to you to be killed isn’t obsession, feeling guilty over the death of someone you loved isn’t obsession. I’m sorry you don’t have friends or that your life is a miserable piece of crap that nobody would care about, but any halfway normal person would do the same for someone they had an important bond with. I’m sorry you weren’t anyone’s, but stop projecting your shortcomings, freak.
5 Tips for Life:
1. Remus Lupin and Severus Snape make great foils & neither is better or worse than the other, it's purely personal preference
2. Snape fans have only ever been rude and aggressive with me, despite me clearly pointing out that I respect their opinion.
3. Snape was absolutely obsessed with Lily - he doesn't see her in nearly two decades but wants his last vision to be her eyes, in the head of a boy he relentlessly bullied. That's obsession.
4. Don't debate with people who tell you to kill yourself, it's never that serious.
5. @maxdibert is aggressive & problematic within the marauder's era fandom and the Harry Potter fandom & should be avoided. See tip 4.
Look at her, unable to respond to anything. Come on, freak, go home, you clearly have some little problems.
Thanks for proving tips 2 & 5. I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
I have two moods:
1. Remus Lupin can't fucking flirt.
2. Remus lupin was a flirt extraordinaire
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
James paid for Lupin’s life after they left Hogwarts, and before that Lupin had parents who supported him, something Snape never had. Lupin was friends with a sexual abuser and a potential murderer, and even as adults he downplayed their actions. Plus, he was a total incompetent and irresponsible, not taking the potion during his year as a teacher.
My problem is that you’re defending a groomer who even twenty years later still blamed the victim of constant abuse while that victim had been working against the terrorist group he joined for over a decade. Snape changed; Lupin just kept being a people pleaser because he was a fucking amoeba with zero backbone.
Snape had parents, abusive parents. Lupin's father was open in his disgust for werewolves. James died when they were 21, Lupin died at 38, so he spent a good chunk of his life poor. Snape, likewise, spent a good portion of his life with comfort & stability. Snape didn't change - he obsessed over Lily until his last breath and was motivated by his obsession.
He didn’t “change” because of some sudden epiphany, Snape stopped being a Death Eater and stuck to Dumbledore’s plan until the very end, even after Dumbledore was dead and owed him nothing. And yes, that plan meant sacrificing Harry, which Snape hated deeply. But sure, go ahead and flaunt your stone-level reading comprehension like it’s something to be proud of, darling.
I read the whole series, I'm pretty sure you only read the chapters Snape's in😂 Snape changed his mind because his obsession was taken from him & he was distraught - we see him go to Dumbledore in desperation.
Yes, when he’s 20 years old we’re talking about the events of that damn saga. And what obsession are you talking about? Severus and Lily hadn’t had contact for five years, what obsession? Not wanting someone important to you to be killed isn’t obsession, feeling guilty over the death of someone you loved isn’t obsession. I’m sorry you don’t have friends or that your life is a miserable piece of crap that nobody would care about, but any halfway normal person would do the same for someone they had an important bond with. I’m sorry you weren’t anyone’s, but stop projecting your shortcomings, freak.
5 Tips for Life:
1. Remus Lupin and Severus Snape make great foils & neither is better or worse than the other, it's purely personal preference
2. Snape fans have only ever been rude and aggressive with me, despite me clearly pointing out that I respect their opinion.
3. Snape was absolutely obsessed with Lily - he doesn't see her in nearly two decades but wants his last vision to be her eyes, in the head of a boy he relentlessly bullied. That's obsession.
4. Don't debate with people who tell you to kill yourself, it's never that serious.
5. @maxdibert is aggressive & problematic within the marauder's era fandom and the Harry Potter fandom & should be avoided. See tip 4.
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
James paid for Lupin’s life after they left Hogwarts, and before that Lupin had parents who supported him, something Snape never had. Lupin was friends with a sexual abuser and a potential murderer, and even as adults he downplayed their actions. Plus, he was a total incompetent and irresponsible, not taking the potion during his year as a teacher.
My problem is that you’re defending a groomer who even twenty years later still blamed the victim of constant abuse while that victim had been working against the terrorist group he joined for over a decade. Snape changed; Lupin just kept being a people pleaser because he was a fucking amoeba with zero backbone.
Snape had parents, abusive parents. Lupin's father was open in his disgust for werewolves. James died when they were 21, Lupin died at 38, so he spent a good chunk of his life poor. Snape, likewise, spent a good portion of his life with comfort & stability. Snape didn't change - he obsessed over Lily until his last breath and was motivated by his obsession.
He didn’t “change” because of some sudden epiphany, Snape stopped being a Death Eater and stuck to Dumbledore’s plan until the very end, even after Dumbledore was dead and owed him nothing. And yes, that plan meant sacrificing Harry, which Snape hated deeply. But sure, go ahead and flaunt your stone-level reading comprehension like it’s something to be proud of, darling.
I read the whole series, I'm pretty sure you only read the chapters Snape's in😂 Snape changed his mind because his obsession was taken from him & he was distraught - we see him go to Dumbledore in desperation.
Bitch, you parroting that warped little fanon sob story about Lupin “redeeming” himself while twisting canon to strip Snape of half his actual character is pathetic. You can keep slapping your cheap pop-psych labels on him to make yourself feel clever, but all you’re really doing is broadcasting that you can’t deal with a character who’s more complicated than your Tumblr moral purity bingo card. And really, dragging out that “look at me” scene? Pathetic. You twist it into some creepy stalker fantasy because you can’t wrap your head around a man drowning in grief and guilt who still had the spine to see his mission through. You don’t care about canon—you care about stroking your own ego while spouting half-baked psychoanalysis. Off yourself.
-maxdibert
@maxdibert don't hide behind an anonymous submission - say this kind of foul shit with your full chest. You just know that I'm right & it pisses your uneducated, emotionally stunted self off. I get why you love a cruel, bigoted man - he's just like you! Go enjoy your Snape x Reader fics, y'all were made for each other😂😂😂
You first, babes💋
A bit pathetic to think I’d write to you anonymously only to then sign with my own name, instead of reaching the logical conclusion that someone’s trolling you, no? Why the hell would I send you an anonymous message if I’m going to put my name on it? Are you stupid?
Nah, I just genuinely believe that you act like this - that's probably why you're such a fan of such a cruel, bigoted man. Other people have also discussed how you turn rude/cruel during disagreements and warn about interacting with you, so this seems to be a pattern for you.
Girl, you’re the one who came to my post, so don’t play the innocent here. And for the record, I’d rather take a so-called “bigot” over a pathetic groomer who plays the victim to sleep with younger women, knocks them up in the middle of a war, and then bolts. At least the “bigot” had the guts to face all his mess head-on, unlike the other one who skulked around crying in corners while defending his criminal friends and leaving women high and dry.
Lupin also faced his mess head on, weird that you're still denying canon.
"Came to your post" when it was actually just a post on my "Your Tags" page that I reblogged with my opinion. You immediately became aggressive and worked up & now I'm getting threats in my inbox? I never played innocent but I didn't do any of that shit to you.
What did he even have to “endure”? A 17-year-old yelling at him? Yeah, that’s definitely the same as almost two decades of personal sacrifice and having to swallow the contempt of people who always treated you like crap while you’re out here saving their asses.
I’m not sending you anything, I’m telling you all this right here. When we get into debates, we’re exposing ourselves to having people talk crap to us. If you can’t handle that, then don’t get into them. When someone replies to one of my posts with nonsense, I respond accordingly. You came here to talk shit, so I replied how I saw fit. You defend groomers and friends of sexual assaulters, and you blame their victims. You’re a piece of classist trash, go take a dump.
How about three decades of being told he was worthless and shouldn't be in society and then learning that he is in fact deserving of love and that love and closeness are dangerous (everyone he's has loved has died or been inaccessible to him). Did you only read the chapters Snape was in?
Funny you say that when Snape spent his entire life being despised, even as a kid because of his family situation. Honestly, it sounds like you’re describing Snape, not Lupin — who actually had friends and a pretty decent life overall. But sure, keep spinning that narrative.
It only sounds like that because you're willing to rewrite his character to try and prove he's not equally as flawed as Lupin. Snape also had friends, it's how he got into the Death Eaters, remember? You said he was a troubled kid who fell in with a rough crowd. Lily was his friend until he called were what was essentially a slur. Maybe it wasn't his situation, maybe it was his dung-bomb of a personality that prevented him from forming lasting friendships.
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
James paid for Lupin’s life after they left Hogwarts, and before that Lupin had parents who supported him, something Snape never had. Lupin was friends with a sexual abuser and a potential murderer, and even as adults he downplayed their actions. Plus, he was a total incompetent and irresponsible, not taking the potion during his year as a teacher.
My problem is that you’re defending a groomer who even twenty years later still blamed the victim of constant abuse while that victim had been working against the terrorist group he joined for over a decade. Snape changed; Lupin just kept being a people pleaser because he was a fucking amoeba with zero backbone.
Snape had parents, abusive parents. Lupin's father was open in his disgust for werewolves. James died when they were 21, Lupin died at 38, so he spent a good chunk of his life poor. Snape, likewise, spent a good portion of his life with comfort & stability. Snape didn't change - he obsessed over Lily until his last breath and was motivated by his obsession.
Bitch, you parroting that warped little fanon sob story about Lupin “redeeming” himself while twisting canon to strip Snape of half his actual character is pathetic. You can keep slapping your cheap pop-psych labels on him to make yourself feel clever, but all you’re really doing is broadcasting that you can’t deal with a character who’s more complicated than your Tumblr moral purity bingo card. And really, dragging out that “look at me” scene? Pathetic. You twist it into some creepy stalker fantasy because you can’t wrap your head around a man drowning in grief and guilt who still had the spine to see his mission through. You don’t care about canon—you care about stroking your own ego while spouting half-baked psychoanalysis. Off yourself.
-maxdibert
@maxdibert don't hide behind an anonymous submission - say this kind of foul shit with your full chest. You just know that I'm right & it pisses your uneducated, emotionally stunted self off. I get why you love a cruel, bigoted man - he's just like you! Go enjoy your Snape x Reader fics, y'all were made for each other😂😂😂
You first, babes💋
A bit pathetic to think I’d write to you anonymously only to then sign with my own name, instead of reaching the logical conclusion that someone’s trolling you, no? Why the hell would I send you an anonymous message if I’m going to put my name on it? Are you stupid?
Nah, I just genuinely believe that you act like this - that's probably why you're such a fan of such a cruel, bigoted man. Other people have also discussed how you turn rude/cruel during disagreements and warn about interacting with you, so this seems to be a pattern for you.
Girl, you’re the one who came to my post, so don’t play the innocent here. And for the record, I’d rather take a so-called “bigot” over a pathetic groomer who plays the victim to sleep with younger women, knocks them up in the middle of a war, and then bolts. At least the “bigot” had the guts to face all his mess head-on, unlike the other one who skulked around crying in corners while defending his criminal friends and leaving women high and dry.
Lupin also faced his mess head on, weird that you're still denying canon.
"Came to your post" when it was actually just a post on my "Your Tags" page that I reblogged with my opinion. You immediately became aggressive and worked up & now I'm getting threats in my inbox? I never played innocent but I didn't do any of that shit to you.
What did he even have to “endure”? A 17-year-old yelling at him? Yeah, that’s definitely the same as almost two decades of personal sacrifice and having to swallow the contempt of people who always treated you like crap while you’re out here saving their asses.
I’m not sending you anything, I’m telling you all this right here. When we get into debates, we’re exposing ourselves to having people talk crap to us. If you can’t handle that, then don’t get into them. When someone replies to one of my posts with nonsense, I respond accordingly. You came here to talk shit, so I replied how I saw fit. You defend groomers and friends of sexual assaulters, and you blame their victims. You’re a piece of classist trash, go take a dump.
How about three decades of being told he was worthless and shouldn't be in society and then learning that he is in fact deserving of love and that love and closeness are dangerous (everyone he's has loved has died or been inaccessible to him). Did you only read the chapters Snape was in?
Bitch, you parroting that warped little fanon sob story about Lupin “redeeming” himself while twisting canon to strip Snape of half his actual character is pathetic. You can keep slapping your cheap pop-psych labels on him to make yourself feel clever, but all you’re really doing is broadcasting that you can’t deal with a character who’s more complicated than your Tumblr moral purity bingo card. And really, dragging out that “look at me” scene? Pathetic. You twist it into some creepy stalker fantasy because you can’t wrap your head around a man drowning in grief and guilt who still had the spine to see his mission through. You don’t care about canon—you care about stroking your own ego while spouting half-baked psychoanalysis. Off yourself.
-maxdibert
@maxdibert don't hide behind an anonymous submission - say this kind of foul shit with your full chest. You just know that I'm right & it pisses your uneducated, emotionally stunted self off. I get why you love a cruel, bigoted man - he's just like you! Go enjoy your Snape x Reader fics, y'all were made for each other😂😂😂
You first, babes💋
A bit pathetic to think I’d write to you anonymously only to then sign with my own name, instead of reaching the logical conclusion that someone’s trolling you, no? Why the hell would I send you an anonymous message if I’m going to put my name on it? Are you stupid?
Nah, I just genuinely believe that you act like this - that's probably why you're such a fan of such a cruel, bigoted man. Other people have also discussed how you turn rude/cruel during disagreements and warn about interacting with you, so this seems to be a pattern for you.
Girl, you’re the one who came to my post, so don’t play the innocent here. And for the record, I’d rather take a so-called “bigot” over a pathetic groomer who plays the victim to sleep with younger women, knocks them up in the middle of a war, and then bolts. At least the “bigot” had the guts to face all his mess head-on, unlike the other one who skulked around crying in corners while defending his criminal friends and leaving women high and dry.
Lupin also faced his mess head on, weird that you're still denying canon.
"Came to your post" when it was actually just a post on my "Your Tags" page that I reblogged with my opinion. You immediately became aggressive and worked up & now I'm getting threats in my inbox? I never played innocent but I didn't do any of that shit to you.
What did he even have to “endure”? A 17-year-old yelling at him? Yeah, that’s definitely the same as almost two decades of personal sacrifice and having to swallow the contempt of people who always treated you like crap while you’re out here saving their asses.
I’m not sending you anything, I’m telling you all this right here. When we get into debates, we’re exposing ourselves to having people talk crap to us. If you can’t handle that, then don’t get into them. When someone replies to one of my posts with nonsense, I respond accordingly. You came here to talk shit, so I replied how I saw fit. You defend groomers and friends of sexual assaulters, and you blame their victims. You’re a piece of classist trash, go take a dump.
Talking crap on me is fine - I was bullied heavily all the way through high school, so you don't have anything new - but telling me to kill myself is wrong. The fact that you have this kind of reputation in fandom spaces is both embarrassing and telling.
Remus Lupin fans who are also Snaters really make me laugh because they say things like ‘Snape followed a group of Nazis,’ and it’s like… well, yeah, sure, Snape made mistakes when he was 17, but you’re a fan of a 38-year-old man who got a twenty-something pregnant and RAN AWAY. Sorry, but I can forgive a teenager for getting involved in a terrorist cult, but not a growing old ass knocking up young women and taking off. What can I say? I’m just a girl with ethical priorities,
No hate to OP, everyone is entitled to their yucks & yums, but calling Lupin out for leaving his wife when he returned and, by all canonical evidence, was overjoyed to be a father and have them as his family for the short while that he did, but then try to say Snape was just a kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and absolve him of all future wrong-doing is wild. And sure, calling Lupin out on his flaws is understandable, but at least he has a redeeming arc - Lupin returns to his wife, but Snape never apologizes for terrorizing any of the children he did. He is never remorseful that he sent a blood purist to kill a literal baby (being sad Lily got murked too isn't the same). Like I said, like what you like - Lupin is one of my faves, but he definitely has flaws (it's what makes him so interesting to me) - but IMO Snape has no redeemable qualities other than the fact that he was portrayed by Alan Rickman.
I've also always found the discourse around them fascinating - they serve almost as foils for each other at times. Both have low self-esteem, Snape from his father and the likely abusive nature of the Death Eaters he's faced while Lupin suffers under society's (and probs his own father's) prejudice's towards him. Both enlist in their groups alongside their friends, and likely because their friends did it. The real difference is that Lupin isn't as bitter and reserved as Snape. Sure, he's reserved, but he's generally considered a warm and gentler person than Snape. Both teach (for at least one year) but make wildly different choices & have very different instructional atmospheres. Both make questionable choices and both have a tendency to flee when things get too heavy (Snape to Dumbledore and Lupin to Harry).
Girl, while Lupin was knocking up a 24-year-old girl and abandoning her, Snape had been risking his neck for years as a double agent to save half the wizarding world, including that idiot Lupin, who never felt the slightest remorse for validating and stanning the bullying his friends did to Snape, and even had the balls to excuse them. What kind of redemption arc is that? Snape not only gave his life for the cause but also risked and gave up more than anyone to repay his debt to society. Either you haven’t read the books or you lack even the minimum reading comprehension to say he never regretted his actions, when literally HIS ENTIRE ARC revolves around remorse and guilt like, wtf.
Do I think the age gap is weird? Yeah, a little, but I recognize it was war time & I don't think that we should discount the lack of a power imbalance - socially and financially and physically, Tonks was better of than Lupin. Lupin even repeatedly pointed out the age-gap only to be dismissed by not only Tonks, but the Weaseley's as well. At the end of the day, though, Tonks was a grown adult with autonomy over her life who chose to be with Lupin & chose to have a child with him. Infantilizing her to the point of having no responsibility in their family (when she was the main champion for their relationship in the first place) makes me wonder if you actually read the books or just watched the movie.
I think you need to re-read the books. Sirius defends James, but even he and Lupin admit that they & James were idiots. The whole point of that scene was that they (at least Lupin & James) matured as they aged & while James went too far, Snape was not innocent in the bullying - you can't create a curse designed to shred people to bits (in high school) & then be shocked people don't like you. His obsession with Lily hardly seems redeeming - he would have never switched sides and once he did, he had no choice but to stay loyal to Dumbledore - should Boldy find out he's been double crossed, it wouldn't end well, as we saw. TBH I don't think it makes up for a decade of torturing students, especially the targeted attacks against students whose parents he had an issue with. Again, proving they're foils, Lupin also risked, and ultimately gave, his life for the cause in both wars. Multiple times he was sent to live in a werewolf camp, a place he hated more than anywhere else, at Dumbledore's request because of his intense loyalty to Dumbledore.
Like who you like, but actively ignoring all the wrong a guy has done so you can Stan him is weird.
A 38-year-old guy with a 24-year-old girl isn’t just ‘not weird,’ it implies a huge imbalance of power and, above all, life experience. This isn’t about infantilizing anyone, it’s about stopping the normalization of guys with gray hairs on their balls going after twenty-somethings and then screwing them over. The narrative frames Lupin as a poor little victim because in that story, it doesn’t matter what bad things the ‘good guys’ do, Rowling justifies everything so they never have to take responsibility for their actions. The reality is that in a real-life scenario, anyone who saw an almost 40 guy running off while leaving his 25-year-old wife pregnant would have beaten the crap out of him and told her never to go back to him.
What they’re doing is minimizing his actions as an abuser. They talk about ‘kid stuff’ and then have the balls to blame Snape, implying it was somehow his fault. They were greater in number, Sirius and James were higher on the economic and social ladder, two aristocratic boys of high lineage against a working-class boy with no social or economic support. It was an abusive situation with a huge power imbalance based on class and money. Denying or overlooking that shows a massive lack of social awareness and political understanding, not to mention a very convenient blindness to how violent environments where victims are cornered often make them prime targets for criminal organizations or cults.
On the other hand, Snape didn’t treat his students worse than any of the other teachers. If you’re going to call him cruel, you have to apply that to the rest of them, because basically they were all equally incompetent. And even so, he was the one who made sure those students didn’t end up dead by the end of the semester, and the one who figured out how to keep them alive once Voldemort came to power. Not to mention that he canonically took the most dangerous risks and carried the worst part of the burden. Let’s not forget he always worked to help people who openly despised him and looked down on him, and even accepted being the villain for the greater good without expecting anything in return.
And by the way, calling a sense of guilt an ‘obsession’ is very convenient, isn’t it? Snape didn’t switch sides because he was obsessed with Lily — he switched sides BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY, and his entire arc is about settling the debts he believes he owes. Debts which aren’t even real, because honestly, any normal person would have smashed the face of any ex-friend who married their abuser. Let’s not forget James Potter publicly stripped Severus Snape, which makes him a sexual aggressor.
Stop defending abusers and blaming victims, you’re disgusting.
Again, given Lupin's position in society, despite his (limited, he was an outcast) lived experience, the power balance still tipped in his favor. It is infantilizing to suggest that Tonks could not look at the info and make a decision. Apparently it's not just the books you haven't read - you don't seem to read anything. Where did I say Remus Lupin was innocent? I've stated many times that he has flaws. He does, however, have a redemption arc where he returns to his wife and resolves some of his inner character conflict.
Again, it is not Lupin who minimizes it, but Sirius. Lupin is open about the wrong James commits and does not go out of his way to defend them - he isn't even the one who points out that Snape ran with Death Eaters. There is no evidence that Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters - not all Slytherin's did & we know that Snape was aggressive and malicious in school & it's agreed upon that Snape gave as good as he got (again, he planned on tearing kids to shreds).
Canonically, Harry took the most risks. Every character in the books took on immense risk & he wasn't the only one protecting the students from Voldemort.
Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student's greatest fear, so I actually don't have to apply it to all teachers, especially when the child in question was Neville Longbottom, whose parents were attacked and who was an alternative (IDK what they called it exactly, but it could have been either Neville or Harry to destroy Voldy) to Harry. Snape was cruel, Snape bullied the students, and I'm going to call them out on it because, while his childhood was certainly traumatic, it's not an excuse.
Finally, Snape is literally obsessed with Lily - his last act is to ask a child he's tormented to look in his eyes so he can see Lily's eyes (a woman who told him she was repulsed by his actions) one last time. That's absolutely creepy & obsessive &, had I been Harry, I'd close my eyes out of respect to my MOM AND DAD WHOSE DEMISE SNAPE PLAYED A DIRECT ROLE IN.
You're allowed to like people who are cruel and have questionable motives, it's okay, but sanitizing them of these traits to make them a more palatable character isn't my vibe.
‘Given Lupin’s position in society… the power balance still tipped in his favor.’
Exactly. You’ve just admitted the imbalance existed, which is literally the whole point. You can’t simultaneously acknowledge a structural power advantage and then pretend it’s somehow irrelevant because Tonks ‘could make her own decisions.’ That’s not empowering her, that’s ignoring how those imbalances work in practice. You’re not being progressive; you’re recycling the same tired ‘well she chose it’ excuse that gets used to handwave predatory behavior.
‘Apparently it’s not just the books you haven’t read…’
Cute projection. But unlike you, I actually grasp what I read. You claim Lupin’s redemption arc is returning to his wife and resolving ‘inner character conflict’, as if the bare minimum of taking responsibility after bailing on a pregnant partner is some heroic beat. That’s not redemption, it’s cleaning up the mess he made.
‘Lupin is open about the wrong James commits…’
Except he isn’t. At no point does Lupin properly condemn James’s sexual humiliation of Snape — which, yes, is what public stripping is — and instead stays firmly in the ‘boys will be boys’ lane. The fact that you think ‘he’s not the one who said Snape hung out with Death Eaters’ counts as moral integrity is… interesting. Silence in the face of abuse isn’t neutrality, it’s complicity.
‘There is no evidence Snape was victimized into joining the Death Eaters…’
There’s plenty of evidence of how isolating environments, sustained abuse, and lack of social safety nets push marginalized people toward extremist groups. Not all Slytherins joined — true — but pretending Snape’s choice happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with the sustained campaign of harassment from two wealthy, socially untouchable classmates is willfully ignoring how radicalization actually works in real life.
‘Harry took the most risks…’
Harry was literally the Chosen One. The entire prophecy put a target on him from birth. Snape chose — voluntarily — to operate as a double agent, constantly risking exposure and death to protect the exact people who still despised him. That’s a different category of risk: one you opt into for no personal glory, knowing you’ll be remembered as the villain.
‘Snape is the only teacher who appears as a student’s greatest fear…’
And? The Boggart scene with Neville says more about Neville’s own trauma responses than it does about Snape being uniquely monstrous. Being someone’s worst fear doesn’t automatically make you the most cruel, it makes you the most intimidating to that person. By your logic, Voldemort isn’t even in Neville’s top spot, so clearly he’s not that bad either, right? See how silly that gets?
‘Snape is literally obsessed with Lily… creepy & obsessive…’
You’re flattening guilt into obsession because it fits your narrative. Snape’s last act isn’t ‘creepy,’ it’s tragic: a man whose entire life since that moment has been driven by self-recrimination, asking for a glimpse of the only person who ever treated him with genuine kindness before his world collapsed. If you can’t tell the difference between longing for forgiveness and romantic obsession, maybe sit out of the psychology debates.
And no, liking complex, morally flawed characters isn’t about ‘sanitizing’ them. I don’t deny Snape’s flaws, I understand where it comes from. The difference is I can hold two truths at once: that trauma shapes behavior without excusing it, and that systemic class and social disparities matter when we talk about conflict. You seem more interested in reducing people to one-dimensional morality tests you can ‘pass’ or ‘fail.’
You can keep trying to paint this in black-and-white if it makes you feel better. But it’s telling that you call this a ‘redemption arc’ for Lupin while refusing to acknowledge that Snape’s entire adult life was one long act of penance.
I'm not projecting, I'm genuinely unsure you read the books. It's clear that's a typo - it's tipped in her favor given her job her finances and her stability. Lupin has none of these things, meaning he has no power over her & power clearly isn't even a motive of his considering he's so torn up I've thinking the relationship is wrong (because he will be detrimental to her financial security and independence and standing in society). The way you flatten major arcs is odd to me & it really does suggest that you either didn't read the books or didn't retain/understand them.
Again you denying literal character traits of Snape's to sanitize him is far more telling than someone pointed out that one character redeemed some of his flaws while the other remained cruel and bitter and died asking a boy he relentlessly bullied to look him in his eyes so he could see the boy's dead mother's stare one last time. Romanticize it all you want, but that's creepy & obsessive.
It’s actually impressive how you’ve managed to out yourself as both a fanatic and a classist in the same breath. You call Snape a “bigot” while conveniently ignoring that his entire arc is about breaking away from the ideology he was seduced into as a teenager, at enormous personal cost, to actively fight the people who perpetuated it. That’s not “sanitizing”, that’s called reading comprehension, which I’m starting to think is not your strong suit.
As for the “creepy & obsessive” line what’s actually creepy is how willing you are to flatten a character’s grief into a punchline just because it doesn’t fit your Hogwarts High School morality play. Snape’s final act isn’t romantic, it’s tragic. But I get it — nuance is a little harder to digest when you’ve already decided that trauma, class oppression, and a lifetime of atonement don’t count if the character doesn’t smile pretty for you while doing it.
And finally the pathetic part? That’s not even about your takes. It’s the fact you’re busy working yourself into a frenzy over anonymous asks you’re convinced are from me, when any sane person would clock them for the obvious trolling they are. But I suppose when you don’t have the substance to win an argument, inventing fake “gotcha” moments to play the victim is all that’s left.
Wow, it must be lovely to be as ignorant as you are. I literally said I find the age gap weird, but you continue to romanize a creepy as obsession. Love the projection, though. Don't deny your actions now that you got called out. You've been rude throughout this discussion - even though I was very clear that I was sharing my thoughts & in no way yucking your yum. Get help, babe
I don’t deny any of my actions, that’s exactly why I always do everything publicly and with my own account. If you want to play the victim because you think that’ll help validate your trash discourse, go ahead. But you just completely switched the topic, as you Snaters always do when we get to the real point: how classist you are, how much you suck up to the rich, and your tendency to victim-blame and side with abusers. That’s where your arguments run out, so you have to grab any out-of-context nonsense because you feel cornered.
The problem you have with Snape is that you’re fans of a group of spoiled rich kids — or their friends — who took advantage of their social and economic privilege to crush a boy in an inferior position. And only by villainizing that boy can you keep denying or ignoring that your faves were absolute pieces of garbage. And on top of that, you’re a fan of one of the worst of them: the one who plays the victim while being a hypocritical piece of trash.
"Make your account public" they cry despite that I'm literally getting threatening messages in my inbox right now. I thought you supported victims? But now bullying is okay to you? Yeah, sounds about right
"You're classist" you know Lupin was desolate & Snape had a job, right? So is your dislike of Lupin driven by classism? Do you only hate that he was loyal to his friends because he was dependent on them for years because of his own poverty? While Snape had the means to leave the Death Eaters but waited until his obsession was killed by his cult-leader.
Your problem is that you're a fan of a cruel man who took joy in harassing children and your love for him is apparent in your personality.
Bitch, you parroting that warped little fanon sob story about Lupin “redeeming” himself while twisting canon to strip Snape of half his actual character is pathetic. You can keep slapping your cheap pop-psych labels on him to make yourself feel clever, but all you’re really doing is broadcasting that you can’t deal with a character who’s more complicated than your Tumblr moral purity bingo card. And really, dragging out that “look at me” scene? Pathetic. You twist it into some creepy stalker fantasy because you can’t wrap your head around a man drowning in grief and guilt who still had the spine to see his mission through. You don’t care about canon—you care about stroking your own ego while spouting half-baked psychoanalysis. Off yourself.
-maxdibert
@maxdibert don't hide behind an anonymous submission - say this kind of foul shit with your full chest. You just know that I'm right & it pisses your uneducated, emotionally stunted self off. I get why you love a cruel, bigoted man - he's just like you! Go enjoy your Snape x Reader fics, y'all were made for each other😂😂😂
You first, babes💋
A bit pathetic to think I’d write to you anonymously only to then sign with my own name, instead of reaching the logical conclusion that someone’s trolling you, no? Why the hell would I send you an anonymous message if I’m going to put my name on it? Are you stupid?
Nah, I just genuinely believe that you act like this - that's probably why you're such a fan of such a cruel, bigoted man. Other people have also discussed how you turn rude/cruel during disagreements and warn about interacting with you, so this seems to be a pattern for you.
Girl, you’re the one who came to my post, so don’t play the innocent here. And for the record, I’d rather take a so-called “bigot” over a pathetic groomer who plays the victim to sleep with younger women, knocks them up in the middle of a war, and then bolts. At least the “bigot” had the guts to face all his mess head-on, unlike the other one who skulked around crying in corners while defending his criminal friends and leaving women high and dry.
Lupin also faced his mess head on, weird that you're still denying canon.
"Came to your post" when it was actually just a post on my "Your Tags" page that I reblogged with my opinion. You immediately became aggressive and worked up & now I'm getting threats in my inbox? I never played innocent but I didn't do any of that shit to you.