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Hello, all!

I don't want to make a huge deal or anything, but I've officially decided to close this blog. I'm not taking it down or removing anything, but I won't be coming back to it to update or create posts.

I've enjoyed your company so much these past few years, so I didn't want to just abandon it or leave it on an indefinite hiatus. I'm going to answer the few asks I have in my ask box. On April 26, I'll be turning off asks. Feel free to continue liking, reblogging, and commenting. Find people who like the things you like. Keep the community going.

Enjoy your future adventures, both fictional and otherwise.

-KO

P.S. I will return the masterpost at the end of the week when I turn off the inbox

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Ask box is officially closed.

This week has been harder than I expected to be, and this already was not an easy decision to make. I truly can't say enough how much I appreciate everyone who showed up to say goodbye and let me know what this blog means. I know it's a small thing, a small fandom here, but it means to so much to me. All of you have made this such a wonderful and fun experience. Please don't let this discourage you from talking about the series or the characters. You don't have to write essays like me, or say everything just right (I certainly didn't always).

Just have fun with it.

Love, KO

The rest of the Incorrect Quotes that didn't make the first cut. There might be so duplicates, so sorry about that. You'll laugh anyway, won't you???

If it helps, I imagine these as like high school/college au scenarios where they're all friends/possibly living in a house together.

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Are there any last hot takes/unpopular opinions that you have to drop about Devils Night before closing this blog?

Probably not. Most of my takes are pretty tame, and I've already expressed a lot of the more unpopular ones. Even my hottest takes I tried to frame in a way that wouldn't offend anyone.

Truth is, I've probably had a lot of thoughts that would be considered hot takes, but I didn't to start any drama, so I just left them alone. I should have recorded them!

Here is a mix of some thoughts I didn't post just because I thought they were too pointless and some opinions that I tend to disagree with the fandom on:

Kai's Jeep should have been Red.

To me, Kai epresented the second horsemen, War, and War rides a firey red horse. Plus red was Michael's favorite color and when Kai first got his Jeep, he'd still be idealizing Michael. The others can keep their boring black. The only reason all of their cars are black is because PD thinks black is the edgiest color of all. Shows a lack of creativity.

Kai should have become a lawyer, even if he never practiced.

Or Banks. It would have helped her political career. The level of trust given to those outside the core group has always confused me. So many people are involved! They will continue to commit crimes; their circle needs to be small, and having a lawyer on the inside works. But instead they outsourced to Alice's dad, for no reason. I'm of the opinion that PD went way too hard on the sexy-partner-sharing stuff and not hard enough on the found crime family aspect of the plot. But that's a personal perference.

Athos was a cheap tool that should have been left in the drafts.

Octavia too. They both come off like such over-powered, overrated characters that, on the surface might be fun to read, but I think I would eventually get boring if their book was ever written. There's no way they could live up to the hype PD has given them in just the epilogue and Fire Night.

Alex was never in love with Will and didn't think he'd eventually marry her. Also, didn't want to marry him.

To me, their story was always about mirroring each other. Will had a love he couldn't have, who had his heart. Alex had someone she couldn't have, who had her heart. They both knew this about each other, and so because the other was emotionally unavailable, they were safe place to lean into. Along with that, I don't think Alex would have gone to Blackchurch for Will if Aydin wasn't also in Blackchurch. She can say she was worried about the potential danger he was in, but I firmly believe it was always more about seeing Aydin than anything else. If Aydin wasn't there, she'd have let Michael go, without a doubt while she made her stress.

Emory didn't have any hook-ups or S.O.s while in California.

I think it goes completely against her character and to believe she did is more about fulfilling a readers requirements of a "fair and balanced" relationship and not about seeing the character. Beyond that, I don't think PD ever wanted to give the girls multiple partners. Rika was the only one with a confirmed second partner outside the group. PD let Winter get close, but I think by that time PD knew giving the girls romantic or sexual partners outside their Love Interest would "ruin" the vibe. Plus, PD has admitted that they don't know what Emory was doing during those years, and whether they intended it or not, that had an impact on how Emory was written as an adult. The impact being that she was frozen emotionally and mentally during that time; not actively trying to live her life.

Rika smells like vanilla and coconut, or something like birthday cake. Winter is sweet floral. Banks has a spicy scent (I always think cloves and rosemary, even though cloves are associated with Damon). Emory has sort of an ambery-woody scent. Maybe some deeper florals. I don't care what the books say.

Conclave was a sloppy way to...introduce any of that.

Rika's infertility, Michael still being suspicious, Rika wanting to kill Evans, Damon willingly offering, Aydin, the list goes on... A novella was a great way to bridge Kill Switch and Nightfall, and it had to be bridged because Kill Switch felt like a conclusion to a series...but it wouldn't have been if...

Nightfall should have been the third, Kill Switch the conclusion.

I've beening saying it forever, but the story arcs just work better that way. Along with what I've already said in other posts, I'll add: Imagine the relationship statuses we would have gotten in Kill Switch if the events in Nightfall took place first:

Kai and Banks, married for several years with children Michael and Rika in their first year of marriage (big wedding didn't happen; just the two of them like planned) dealing with her infertility and their plans for the future ENGAGED Willemmy. Will being torn between getting married and wanting Damon back. Emory supporting him in waiting for his best friend because they have forever now - she's not going anywhere. Damon and Winter doing whatever-you-want-to-call-it-in Kill Switch. It could have been so good!

The characters we meet in Corrupt are not the same characters for the rest of the series.

And not in a "character growth" type of way. aka PD's obsession with Damon has lead to him becoming a caricature of the person he was in Corrupt. PD didn't plan for anything after Corrupt when they published. It was only after readers responded that they started plotting the series. It's the reason there are timeline issues, and the reason why Damon eventually became the Main Character, even though Rika was the one we were supposed to be rooting for from the beginning. I truly think PD knew about Damon's past sexual abuse from the moment they created him, but hadn't really dived into him until Hideaway. That's why he suddenly has a sister in HA, even though Michael knew, and Kai was aware that Banks and Damon had a connection. Similar to how Emory was hinted at in Corrupt, the tension between Damon and Kai should have been there. But it wasn't because even PD didn't know. And it was during this time that Damon became PD's favorite, and therefore the reason why Kill Switch had the best storytelling and emotional impact - some of the best in the whole series. Then, since Damon was taking over the series, PD had to nail down his timeline, which meant figuring out what Will was doing during the flashbacks. This is why Nightfalls Flashbacks are so well developed but the present feels like a mess. Again, PD didn't bother planning out Emory's story, like they didn't bother planning out Damon's in Corrupt. They just threw stuff at the wall. Except this time, they knew it was ending so they wouldn't have to go back and retro-actively build a character that didn't exist before. My promblem with this is that I was interested in the characters in Corrupt, while the rest of the series felt like reading someone else's fanfiction of how they thought the rest of the series should go if the author had decided to continue it. Again, I'll acknowledge this is more of my personal preferences not being met and not any actual problem with the series. But this is a post of my unpopular opinions, afterall. These might get me in trouble:

If the only fic of my that you like or kudos (ao3) is Arrival

I immediately know it's because I tagged it as "Will & Damon" (which is the platonic tag, guys) when you thought it was Will/Damon. And I assume your favorite character is Damon, and then I therefore assume you're boring and basic. You can have any favorite character, but not Damon unless you can actually defend the choice beyond "hawt and damaged"

Willalex shippers will always be worse that Willemmy shippers

Some Emory fans hate Alex, or just simply dislike her, for a variety of reasons. But Alex fans always have the most smoke for Emory simply because she's not Alex. They were so sure they were getting Willalex going into Nightfall, they couldn't swallow it when it didn't happen. If this wasn't the case, why do they focus on everything Emory did wrong instead of Aydin? Willemmy was the goal from Corrupt. Alex was never supposed to be that big. Aydin was her happy ending. I've played neutral on Alex, I've tried to understand her, I've given her and the fans that love her grace, but the truth is she's not very interesting, she's a badly written character, I can't stand the discussions on her because most of them lack nuance, and of all the things that went wrong with this series - Alex is a big miss for me.

If you're feeling bold enough, comment your unpopular opinions here. That way you don't have to make your own posts, but can still put it out there!! I think it will be fun for the fandom if there was just a random post to rant in the comments.

KO

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Hii KO, sad to see you leaving this blog but does that mean youre side blog sidewords is going to be your main blog now or will you be completely off tumblr now?

Hiii! Thank you for stopping by.

No, I won't be doing anything with that blog. It really got started because I wanted a place to put all the things that weren't related to DN or reading. I plan on logging out completely.

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in what ways are damon and michael similar? rika said michael was very much like damon. i sort of have my own idea on it but id like to hear yours!

Oooh, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I think mine are a bit scattered, so I'm just going to throw stuff out as it comes to mind.

I think the bonus scene really showed how similar they are. I especially love in Michael's chapter it was revealed how Michael and Damon bond over the how their father's don't really care about them, and how they felt about St. Killian's. I think that influenced a lot of how the approach the world, and maybe what Rika was picking up on.

Kai and Will have fairly good relationships with their families, and they seem to enjoy spending time with others outside the group. Michael and Damon barely have ties to their families, besides one female member (Michael's has his mother, while Damon has Banks). For this woman, they have a well of patience. Friends outside of the other three aren't a priority for Damon or Michael.

Neither of them actually like true chaos. They like the appearance of chaos and anarchy, but want to be the one in control in situation. Or maybe it's their desperation to finally let go of control, yet being unwilling to release the reins, that makes them so similiar.

They're both described as being intense, even when they're quiet.

I'd say that them being comfortable killing family is a similarity, but then Will killed Martin and I'm sure Kai would kill if given half a chance, so that's not really a strong point.

I bet if we go back to the MBTI discussions, I'd probably be able to come up with more. But in general, I think these two really understand each other, and it's unlike the way Michael loves Kai and Damon loves Will.

I'm so sorry, I wish I had more to to say! Please share your thoughts though!

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Do you think Will may have resented the Horsemen as the series progressed because they found their HEAs and he couldn't/hadn't prior to Nightfall?

Will did try to take Winter away from Damon in Kill Switch and joked about marrying Damon's cousin in Hideaway so does this mean he was trying to move on from Emmy?

Do you think Will may have resented the Horsemen as the series progressed because they found their HEAs and he couldn't/hadn't prior to Nightfall?

No, I don't, and let me tell you why.

Will was by nature a happy person, and especially happy for his friend's successes; he wasn't the type of person who wanted to take away the happiness of others, or to think they didn't deserve it.. There may have been occansions Will was jealous, but he would never resent them for being happy. It's what he wanted for them, but it made being around them hard, and so he'd go off on his own, even when that was out of character. He'd find other people to party with, or Alex if she was available, and he'd make do with his lot even though he hated himself for it.

According to Will, he found his source of happiness, and he found it much earlier than his friends found their's. While Michael was still trying to ignore Rika in high school, Will was imagining a future with Emory; married with children, the whole-shebang.

As he got into his mid-20s, Will's biggest struggle was that his friends were actually moving on to that phase: marriage, children, bigger business opportunities. He's faced with the reality that he couldn't go with them there with them because the other half of his HEA wasn't anywhere in sight. And had no intentions of being his HEA at all.

He placed blame and anger in a lot of different areas: himself, her fear, the timing. Mainly, he blamed Martin, and he was mostly right. But Will was never angry that his friends got their HEAs. He was mad this his was stolen.

And it could be argued that he resented Martin more than anyone else, and later Emory, for stealing his happily ever after story. That, however, is a whole different conversation.

Will did try to take Winter away from Damon in Kill Switch and joked about marrying Damon's cousin in Hideaway so does this mean he was trying to move on from Emmy?

Sooo...I don't think either of these were about Emory.

I only vaguely remember Will joking about marrying Damon's cousin, so take the following lightly.

If I remember correctly, Kai marrying Damon's cousin was more about access to Damon than anything else. What Will said might have just a joke, I believe the underlying message was "If you don't want to, I'll do it, if it means getting this over quicker." but in Will-speak, where he hides his true feelings under a layer of humor and indifference.

And why would Will trying to get to Damon?

Well, from his perspective, four years ago, Damon put Will in a car, teamed up with Trevor, and then attempted to rape a girl. Then his best friend lied to his face about it for years.

And as if that wasn't bad enough, just a year prior, Damon teamed up with Trevor again, and together, they nearly killed him.

So yeah, he wanted to get his hands on Damon. If it meant marrying this random chick, he'd do it.

Moving on to Kill Switch, I think the scene with Winter was once again more about Damon than anything romantic or having to do with the heart. To support this, I'm going to use a similiar event in Nightfall.

When Damon approached Emory in the shower, it's very clear to us that Damon doesn't actually want Emory. He did not have romantic or even positive feelings towards her, though he wasn't quite uninterested either. Ultimately, his goal was to put Emory in a position to hurt Will, so that Will won't try to leave his side for her. If in the process he can enjoy himself, why wouldn't he?

Fast-forward to Kill Switch, like Damon, Will doesn't actually want Winter in that way. He wants to hurt Damon by using Winter. Will knows how Damon feels about her being with another man, He knows the idea of Winter being with him especially would hurt Damon. At that point, Will has a lot of pent up rage directed at his former best friend/brother, and he wants to hit him where it hurts the most. That's Winter.

The way I see it, neither of these actions point to Will trying to jumpstart feelings for someone other than Emory, as if he could force himself to get over her. Both revolve around Damon.

However, I can see Will using Alex to try to move on.

There's the infamous line in Nightfall when Will ponders why he couldn't fall in love with Alex, even though it would be easier than trying to get Emory to come around (side note: the song lyrics of 'If I Loved You' by Delta Rea fit almost perfectly with how I interpret Will's feelings towards Alex. Though the song is sung by a woman, you'll get the gist.).

Another point that I considered was when Will was fighting with Emory. He brought up all the times he'd been with Alex, trying to hurt Emory by pointing out that he'd fulfilled all his fantasies without her.

I began wondering if he had been the one to suggest to Alex the specific situations that he'd fantasied about, as a way to see if he could even replace Emory in his mind. He's desperate; if he could just experience them with someone else, someone he already cared about, maybe the visions of Emory would stop coming, and he could let go of her, move on. Maybe he could even come to love Alex.

And that lead to the realization that if, in fact these two thoughts are connected, then the follow-up line about how it was always Emory would make a lot of sense.

He was never able to replace her, and even though he tried to be happy with someone else in his arms, it was still Emory he dreamed about when he closed his eyes. She was always his first thought, the one he was reaching for. Even when his hand touched the skin of another, in his mind and in his heart, he wished it were her.

But maybe I'm taking things out of context and reaching too far. The point is, if Will had ever actually tried to move on, it wasn't with Winter or some random girl. It was with Alex. And it failed.

I hope this response your questions! Thanks so much for sending it in.

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I'm going to miss this blog so much 😭 You carried the devils night fandom on your back. Every ask, every post, it was all perfect.

My one last ask is this: Do you have any other devils night creators or blog recommendations to share? Any of your own possible favourites? Any blogs at all that could fill the hole left by this one?

The blog will still be here! I promise I'm not taking anything down. I can't promise that after a few years it won't automatically be deactivated. So I will advise that if there is a particular post that you like, "Liking" it won't save it if the blog is deactivated. The only way to keep a post is to reblog it. For those who don't like reblogging things because then it's not private and you're just lurking, you can "Private Reblog" things, so that only people you give permission to will see it. If you give no one access, no one will see it but you! Other than getting a screenshot, that's the best way I would advise to keep your favorite posts.

I had just as much fun thinking of the answers as you all had sending the messages! This blog is such a group and fandom effort; I don't consider it solely mine. I, in now way, think I was always right or accurate in my character analysis. Perfect? Probably not, but I did give my honest thoughts and tried to be as kind and respectful and fun as possible. That's all I wanted from the experience and it's all I tried to give.

Privately, I've enjoyed a lot of conversations with a lot of different creators. Since a lot of those were private and clearly approached me because they didn't want to talk publicly, I don't want to put a spotlight on them. And that's why I've always said just reach out or put yourself out there. Because there's a lot more people who want to talk about Devil's Night than you think.

Because of the privacy issue, I can only point at the blogs that are active in the #devil's night series tag. I may not always agree with some takes, but I love all the interactions and opportunities to see what other people were thinking.

It's a small list, but

@urlocalrambler - whose takes are so well written and feel much more character accurate than my own. @pro-logue-epi-logue - who always brings the fire for the characters, which I understand and is quite fun

There's others that I'd like to share, but I don't want to without your permission. If you're comfortable talking to other blogs about DN, let me know and I'll add you here.

I hope this helps you and others feel better about me taking a step back. There is so much potential for the fandom to do well! And this blog will here as an archive.

And I can't thank everyone enough for all the fun you've brought. I know I've said it repeatedly, but this blog really wouldn't be what it is without all of you you sent in messages and asks and commented and liked and made others feel like they weren't crazy for still thinking about this series and the characters after it ended and everyone else seemed to move on. You're so valid.

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hii, it's me again. i forgot to include this in my last ask about damon. i have also been wondering, what if during intimate situations winter accidentally triggers a memory of natalia? i feel like there's a good chance that might happen at some point? but dunno, what do you think? in the scene with the teacher from the start of kill switch, i got the impression he doesn't like being called 'baby', i guess because natalia called him that? i never see winter call him anything besides his name, but he does call her baby? but i don't think he disclosed to winter any particular details of what exactly natalia did to him, she just knows the gist of it, i think (btw, how did she even learn of it? rika knows because of trevor/banks, but winter?). anyways, without knowing any details, how does winter know not to call him that? so many questions..............

Hey! We're back for Part II

I agree that Winter should have triggered Damon more than she did. I've made another post about the strong similarities between Natalya and Winter. It's a missed opportunity to really dig-in to Damon's trauma even more (as if we needed it, but it would have been delicious characterization).

"Baby" could be a trigger word for Damon. Knowing what he know about Natalya, I wouldn't doubt for a second she had all sorts of little pet names for him. Other than Little Devil for Winter, I don't know if they'd use nicknames or pet names too much. It could just not come naturally to them.

I would love it if Winter did occasionally trigger memories of Natalya. She could have used it as a weapon when she hated him. After they got together, they could have learned how to manage it. Her, what actions and words to avoid, and him, his controling his reactions.

But PD loves the idea that sex is a replacement for therapy nad hard work, and that it's all Damon needed...for some reason. Not that sex doesn't have it's place in healing, and I know what kind of series I was reading. Truly, I do, despite all my whinying. I would have just been so happy to see something else occasionally. As for disclosure, I feel that they probably talked in depth about it after the book ended. Late night talks when Damon wakes from a nightmare or a memory is triggered. Winter would always be there, soothing him.

I'd also imagine he'd feel compelled to talk to her about it. There's no reason why Rika, Banks, and Emory should know even some of the rough details, while Winter is only given vague surface information. Unless she didn't want to know, but that doesn't strike me as Winter either. It would only make Damon stronger in her mind.

I hope this was a satisfying answer! I'm not the best at DamonWinter. They just didn't grab me, but I try to be fair to them.

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hiii! i'm kinda sad that you're closing the blog 🥺 you have super interesting takes, and i enjoy reading your thoughts a lot. but i understand. since you're willing to answer some questions, i wanted to ask you about damon's relationship with sex. you mentioned that he used it as a tool, which is spot on. but i feel like there's more to it. there's this line in kill switch where he talks to rika about his time in solitary, and he goes on about winter sitting in the courtroom watching him get sentenced. here he says this: "acting like that time with her wasn't the only fucking time i didn't hate fucking." what do you think it means? i've also always wondered why winter and damon's sexual encounters were all pretty vanilla. i kinda expected him to be kinkier, i guess. i just have a whole bunch of questions about damon and how he experiences sex. anyways, thanks so much for all the stuff you've written on this blog, and i wish you all the best!! 💕💕

Aww, thank you! You've got really interesting questions, too!

I think what Damon was talking about is how Winter was able to sit so close to him, and deny what he knows they both felt.

We know that Damon used physical pain to distract from the mental and emotional pain. Growing up, besides the abuse from Gabriel, the only time he felt physical touch was from Natalya. Her touch was framed as affection, but it was anything. At least the pain from his father was clear-cut.

Becasue of the conflict and confusion Natalya created, I think any physical touch, if it's not painful sensation, is nearly repulsive to Damon. He doesn't really know how to interpret it. Which is why he sours so quickly during sex and often times can't go through with it.

He can tolerate some, but not a lot, and not from just anyone.

Things are different with Winter, though. She is able to give him physical affection that doesn't sicken him; doesn't remind him of Natalya.

Sitting in the courtroom, preparing to be sentenced, Damon believed deep down that she knew the truth - what happened between him and her was not only consensual, but also different than anything other people experience. More intense, deeper. It was love. Maybe the darkest shade of it, but love nonetheless, whether she wanted to admit it or not. She was choosing to stick to the lie that protected her fragile ego, and make him her monster.

Unfortunately, and I'd probably get some blowback from this, I think a lot of readers misinterpret Damon a little bit. The hype around him is so huge, I think on the backend, his character suffers a little from it.

Up until Kill Switch, Damon is the enemy. He's cruel, violent, angry, and a source of pain for everyone. Banks said he feeds on pain. But once we're in his head, we see how he uses it. Causing himself and others pain is not his strength; it's not what he loves. It's a survival tool. His strength is being able to endure it. When he's with Winter, he's not focused on survivng. She is the ultimate kill switch to his painful thoughts and memories. She takes it all away.

It sort of goes in the face of expectations to say build this character up into some sort god, lover and seeker of pain, and then to say "No, no. This boy does not love physical pain. In fact, he's at his very best when he's not in pain." So, like you mentioned, the expectation of Damon is that he's much more kinky than any of the others, while the reality is that he's while he's extactly not gentle or soft in any way, he's more of a conventional lover.

Which kind of makes sense for him, if you think about. His first exposure to affection is perverted and twisted. He won't mimic that. He doesn't want his love to be seen as anything else than what it is. Therefore, his version of love is a lot more straightforward than anyone else.

And now on to part 2 of your message.

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When you leave this blog the devil's night series will truly be over💔💔💔

That's super sweet of you, but not true at all! New fans are coming in all the time. I'm sure they'll love to talk about it. They may not write essays like I write (honestly, it's evidence of a lack of self control), but they're probably just as excited.

Please don't be afraid to dip your toes into fandom! Talk to each other, make jokes, block when necessary. It's so much more fun when people are just talking, even if it's mostly nonsense. And use this blog as proof of that, because it wouldn't be what it is if I didn't get 300+ questions and messages from other fans.

The fandom will be fine. DN fans were around long before me and will continue to grow and shift after I step back.

Thank you for your kind words though. It's nice to know that I still impacted to many, and honestly unexpected.

❤️❤️❤️

-KO

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One more question and I’ll leave you alone 🙈 Do you think Michael and Kai had any clue about the extent of Will and Damon’s relationship? Michael especially is very observant but minds his own business. Side note: I’d sell my soul for PD to write a novella of their relationship in high school I feel robbed I love them!!

Don't worry about it, you're not bothering me. I decided to leave the ask box open for a week so people can get in all the questions they've been holding off asking.

Do you think Michael and Kai had any clue about the extent of Will and Damon’s relationship?

I'd reckon not.

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way, but what I understood about Will and Damon's relationship, the more intimate stuff that just happened between the two of them, really started taking place during their senior year and later.

Physically, they may have shared girls prior to that, but then so did Kai and Michael, so that wouldn't have stood out to them. And anything that might have stood out as unusual could have been written off as drugs or drinking. There wouldn't have been a reason to look at it too intently. Depending on how you interpret Kai's remark to Damon in Nightfall, he might have suspected Damon of something, but I don't think he would have thought of Will in that instance.

The emotional + increased physical component of their relationship that we saw develop in the flashbacks of Kill Switch and Nightfall - that's what I think started in their senior year.

The four of them all had different things going on, as well. It was Michael's last year of basketball, he was focused on his future goals. Kai just had his night with Banks, and he needed to focus on college. Any abnormal behavior from Will would have been overlooked and assumed he was just messed up over Emory. Damon was Damon. Who knew what, if anything, was real when it came to him. Change was on the horizon. I think change scared all of them a little bit, even though it was more obvious for Will. Both Michael and Kai might have even started to detach before the year was up just to prepare for being without their little group.

To be honest, I wish we got more of the horsemen bond! I know people focus on Will and Damon because the reason you brought up, but the friendship between the four of them was what drew me in to begin with.

It's an interesting question! I think the true extent of it will always be a mystery that Will and Damon like to keep open. Their little secret.

-KO

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I’m so sad to see this blog go inactive but you have to do what’s right for you! I’ve had this question about the Kill Switch since I read it and I feel like you’re the best person to ask. In the book Damon said something along the lines of “Me and Michael didn’t need drugs, we were the drugs”. What do you think that means?

Thanks so much for the support! I means so much to me.

The bonus scene gave us a fairly good look into the relationship between Damon and Michael, which surprised me a little bit. But in a good way.

I think this line is a reference to how neither Damon nor Michael need drugs to get that feeling of being high. They can get there on their own. Along with that, they're both able to create that feeling in others. Its why people follow them, like they’re addicted to their energy. With just a few words and touches, people bend to them, as if they've lost control of themselves.

At least, that's how I've been interpreting it. Let me know if you have other thoughts!

-KO

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Why was Will stalking emory ? Like what’s he’s deal ? I get that he liked her but still. Also I really don’t get Damon and wills relationship. Like they are friends but kiss and do stuff with each other like huhhh. Honestly I wish Emory didn’t get with Will because he’ll never understand her and Wills relationship is deeper with Damon and Alex than with Emory .

Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure this was asked in good faith.

How can you say that you don't understand Damon and Will's relationship dynamic, and in the following sentence say that their relationship was so much deeper than Will and Emory's?

Either way, I've made a lot of long, in-depth posts about Will and Emory, and Will and Damon, and Will and Alex. So if you're up for some digging, you can find them. Maybe it's the insight you're looking for.

-KO

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hiii, i was wondering, how do you think damon would react if winter actually apologized to him for the way she acted when she learned his identity? i mean, she pinned all the blame on him and was so happy that he got sentenced to jail. idk, it just doesn't seem okay to me.

Hey!

I agree with you. I didn't think it was okay she refused any accountability until the end, but I very well understood her feelings and why she felt violated.

how do you think damon would react if winter actually apologized to him for the way she acted when she learned his identity?

I guess it depends on timing, and what she apologized for.

Because Damon wasn't totally upset with her rejection. I think he have tolerated that a bit better. He was angry at being sentenced for rape.

Rape is what Natalya did to him. In his view, that is not what he shared with Winter. So for her to accuse him of that, to put him on that level, knowing full well that she consent to their activity...how could she?

And I agree - what happened between Winter and Damon is not the same as what Natalya subjected him to.

However...what Damon did was a form fo sexual assualt, and Winter had every reason under the sun to reject him for it. And Damon should be punished.

But in a world where she apologized for accusing him of rape:

Let's first consider the alternate scene from Kill Switch, which explains how Damon would have reacted if she accepted him before he was even arrested. The ending of that scene confirms that if she never denied his love, then they would have had no issues from that point.

If Winter apologized before he is sentenced:

Winter stepping up could have prevented or shorted the time he spent in jail. I think Damon could have forgiven her in this instance. He probably would have been very forgiving, immediately picking back up where they left off, dealing with their family issues together.

I think he still tries to kidnap her and get her pregnant as soon as possible. That's just Damon.

If Winter apologized after he's been sentenced, either visiting or writing to him:

Damon's reaction would depend on what she was offering. If she apologized and confessed her love, promising to wait for him, it would give Damon something to hold on to; to live for, endure for. He might punish her a little upon being released, but he'd want to start thieir life together soon, so nothing too crazy.

On the other hand, if she was just apologizing for being so harsh in her accusation, but made it clear that she didn't want him in her life...well...I don't think we get a story too different from Kill Switch. The rejection hurt. The lies made him angry. The lies were what put him in prison. Apology or not, he was taking his revenge.

If Winter apologized after Damon was released:

Even if she'd met him at the release gates, I really don't think any part of him would have accepted an apology unless it came with her groveling and selling herself to him. The damage was done; Damon had been through enough, he wanted to hurt her at that point. Anything less wasn't worth it. We get Kill Switch, but sooner in time to his being released. He wouldn't have needed Rika to manipulate the family if Winter came to him on her own.

This was an interesting question. It took me some time to ponder!

-KO

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rank the devils night boys from highest to lowest body count (in your opinion)

From highest to lowest?

Will is easily has the highest. Sex was, after all, one of his vices. Reference Michael's comment in Corrupt about his behavior right after he got out of prison. We know Will was still going at it through Hideaway and Kill Switch, and probably didn't stop until after he started to get sober before Nightfall.

After that, things get a little trickier.

I think most would say Damon, because he also used sex as a tool, though differently than Will. But he had... commitment issues. It was more the fear and the pain that he wanted.

Thus, I think Michael gets second place, if only because he didn't spend three years in prison. We know he wasn't celibate during that time. Michael and Damon are probably the closest in number.

I estimate Kai to be the lowest. He not only spent three years in prison, he spent the first few months out of prison not racking up the numbers like the other two. He's also seems selective about his partners. It's not so much that he couldn't have the highest number, but more so that he simply chooses not to.

Overall, my ranking is:

Will

Michael

Damon

Kai

I hope this answered your question! Kai and Will were pretty easy guess. Noodling over Michael and Damon was interesting.

Comment if anyone has a different ranking, or the same ranking for different reasons.

KO

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Hello, all!

I don't want to make a huge deal or anything, but I've officially decided to close this blog. I'm not taking it down or removing anything, but I won't be coming back to it to update or create posts.

I've enjoyed your company so much these past few years, so I didn't want to just abandon it or leave it on an indefinite hiatus. I'm going to answer the few asks I have in my ask box. On April 26, I'll be turning off asks. Feel free to continue liking, reblogging, and commenting. Find people who like the things you like. Keep the community going.

Enjoy your future adventures, both fictional and otherwise.

-KO

P.S. I will return the masterpost at the end of the week when I turn off the inbox

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