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#WOMEN UNDER 19???
Otherwise known as "teenagers" & "children".
Letâs be honest - Everest should be cut off from climbers, and the only people that should be allowed up there are ppl who volunteer to clean up all the garbage and human excrement adrenaline junkies have left up there over the decades, and anyone who volunteers to attempt to bring down any bodies of those who died.
The ascent is too dangerous, too many ill-equipped and unprepared climbers try to make the climb, and too much garbage is piling up and poisoning the run off that communities around Everest rely on to live.
Reminder that:
Rainbow Valley, for all its macabre connotations, is also a literal trash heap.
Base Camp and ABC are worse. The entire route is lined with garbage.
The Sherpa population receive little credit for incredible amount of work they do, often doing most of the work of the climber or team so that the team takes all the credit. Itâs true that thereâs a monetary benefit for their communities, but their job is also one of the most dangerous in the world.
There are documented crimes on Everest. Theft and assault are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Theft of oxygen tanks and other vital equipment can seriously endanger climbers. Entire books have been written about this.
People have been left to die on the climb. In some places, depending on the altitude, it becomes unavoidable or near impossible to move someone down the mountain. However, there have been avoidable deaths, again well-documented. Some climbers even say they have something called âsummit feverâ where only the climb has meaning, and not their fellow climbers.Â
Itâs overcrowded. The victoryâs lost most of its meaning. Just let it be.
this is another reason why land back / indigenous sovereignty is so important. give the mountain back to the people whoâve been taking care of it for centuries and let them have full control over it legally. let them decide if it should or shouldnât be a tourist attraction or if people should be allowed to climb it. just defer to Sherpa people when it comes to anything to do with SagarmÄthÄ
I mean, youâre absolutely right that the situation on SagarmÄthÄ (aka Mount Everest) is a real problem, but âban everyone from it foreverâ is a take that misses a lot of nuance, and will just make a lot more problems. The mountaineering industry is an absolutely vital part of Nepalâs economy, and SagarmÄthÄ is a fair chunk of that. Thereâs a reason so many people choose to do something as dangerous as guidework, and thatâs because itâs really good money. If that shuts down entirely, lives will be destroyed. People will die. Youâll just trade one problem for another.
So what should be done?
Well, for a start, I think it helps to actually fucking listen to the people risking their lives working on that mountain. They donât want it closed, because again, their lives will be ruined if that happens, but they DO want better regulations about who goes on the mountain, and what happens there.
See, you need a permit to climb SagarmÄthÄ , one issued by either the Nepalese or Chinese government, depending on where you start your ascent. And yes, multiple governments being involved makes it even more complicated, but letâs just focus on the Nepal side of things for now; the Chinese route is a real bitch to climb compared to the Nepal route so it doesnât have such a tourist problem, and also the first step to any real solution there is for China to stop fucking occupying Tibet. So letâs focus on Nepal.
The permits are a very good thing; you need to pay to be issued one, which brings in money to the country, and itâs just common sense to regulate how many people are going up there. Whatâs not good is that the Nepalese government isnât doing a very good job of regulating the permit sales; guides have been complaining for decades now about the government selling way too many permits, overcrowding the mountain, and allowing wildly unqualified people to go. One of the main things the Sherpa guide community wants is for the Nepalese government to sell less permits for SagarmÄthÄ, and make the skill/fitness requirements stricter. One popular proposal is to change the rules so that you need to have climbed at least one 8000m peak to be eligible to get a permit for SagarmÄthÄ. Since eight of the fourteen are in Nepal, this would keep money flowing, since people would need to do multiple trips, and it would also scare most of the dumbasses away - they want to be carried up the most famous mountain in the world so they can brag about summiting Everest. Having to climb a harder mountain first would make that look a lot less appealing, especially since K2 is a hellish death trap, and none of the other 8000âČs have the same name recognition. You canât really brag to your buddies at the office about having summited Dhaulagiri or Manaslu the same way you can brag about Everest. So that proposed rule change would scare off the tourists, and ensure every single person on SagarmÄthÄ is an experienced mountaineer thatâs already experienced the death zone, as opposed to the current issue of multiple people that have literally never climbed before buying permits to go up SagarmÄthÄ.
They also want better regulations for the guide companies that can be hired for SagarmÄthÄ - thereâs a huge problem of tourists paying for the cheaper guide companies, not realizing that the whole reason theyâre cheap is because they take extremely dangerous shortcuts in their equipment maintenance. Those companies are a massive problem, and the legitimate guides hate them. So, so much. They put their clients in danger, they put their employees in danger, and they put everyone on the mountain with them in danger.
Finally, the guides need better pensions and life insurance, because the Nepalese government has a real problem of not paying the families nearly enough when a guide dies on the job. That was the entire reason for the 2014 strike - an avalanche struck the base camp during the pre-season, killing sixteen of the Sherpas that were laying down ropes for the season. The Nepalese government offered to compensate the families of the victims with just enough money to cover the funerals, which infuriated the entire Nepalese mountaineering community. They demanded that the mandatory life insurance policy have its payout doubled in the future, more money to be given to the families of the avalanche victims, and government payment of medical bills for the wounded. None of the demands were met, and so they went on strike for the year. The government did agree to give more money to the families⊠provided they presented the appropriate documents in Kathmandu, which isnât really feasible for most people living in the Khumbu region, making them angrier. The life insurance payout was also raised, but only by half the amount the Sherpaâs had demanded.
To summarize: shutting down SagarmÄthÄ will fuck over the entire economy of Nepal, leading to people dying and lives being ruined. Listen to the fucking people youâre trying to advocate for. They want the Nepalese government to sell less permits to climb SagarmÄthÄ, have stricter rules about who can buy the permits, tighter regulations for guide companies, and more government assistance for guides and their families after an injury or death occurs. And yes, SagarmÄthÄ is a sacred place to the Sherpa people, and their religious leaders want everyone off the mountain⊠but letâs be real here, thatâs never going to happen.
So, if this is an issue you care about, and you actually want to do something instead of making vague, impossible demands to feel good about yourself online, what can you do?
For a start, begin calling the mountain SagarmÄthÄ instead of Everest. Everest was only used as a name because Nepal and Tibet were closed to outsiders when the British were surveying the Himalayaâs in 1800âČs, so they were unable to learn the mountains real name. And the surveyors were surprisingly serious about labelling mountains with the correct local names, which is why Everest and K2 are the only standouts among the 8000 meter peaks - K2 is so remote it never actually had a name, and the placeholder label of K2 stuck, while SagarmÄthÄ was believed to be the same situation and given a name instead. The only reason itâs still called Everest is because thatâs the name that became famous. Getting the proper name into common use might make things right. Itâs about respecting the culture of the Sherpaâs⊠and it will also respect the wishes of Sir George Everest, who absolutely fucking hated the proposal to name the mountain after him, and fought tooth and nail to leave a placeholder and keep searching for a proper local name. The poor bastards been rolling in his grave for over 150 years now, letâs get his name off the damn mountain already.
For improving the actual conditions, push for the Nepalese government to make the changes the guides want. International pressure is necessary for that; if nobody cares about the Sherpaâs, the government can do as they please, and the guides just have to put up with it. Pay attention, raise awareness, advocate for their wellbeing, and, again, listen to what they actually need/want.
Finally, rookies climbers going up SagarmÄthÄ should be judged, and judged hard. Theyâre not impressive. Theyâre fucking idiots being carried up a mountain by the real professionals so they can claim bragging rights. If someone brags about climbing the tallest mountain in the world, ask about their climbing experience and training, and if theyâve ever climbed/considered climbing any of the less famous 8000+ meter peaks. If theyâre not an experienced climber that respects the mountain, mock them relentlessly. Theyâre not impressive, theyâre an idiot that burned their own money to be carried up a really big rock and steal the credit for their guides hard work.
That being said, also show respect towards the people that have died on SagarmÄthÄ, AND the people that have witnessed death on that mountain. Iâm not going to blame anyone for bad decision making at 8000 meters of elevation. The death zone was named that because the conditions cannot support human life; you are slowly dying as soon as you enter, and the trick is just to get back down before you succumb to it. The human brain does not enjoy being slowly suffocated to death, and you sort of lose your shit as a result. Thatâs just biology, happens to everyone. Thereâs a reason why disasters high up on the 8000+ peaks are so confusing - thereâs always multiple different stories about how events played out, because short term memory loss and delirium are a very common side effect of being at an altitude unable to support human life. Thatâs also a large part of âsummit feverâ on those peaks; people genuinely cannot make rational decisions up there. Itâs a well documented problem. A fair amount of lethal falls up there are technically suicides, as people get confused and wander off cliffs, or begin removing protective gear, or other things nobody in their right mind would do. Thatâs why so many people die attempting to summit after the cut-off point of it being too late to try - they canât process that if they continue, conditions will become extremely dangerous on their descent. They can only understand that their goal is the summit, the conditions are good right now, so that means theyâre fine and should keep going.
Basically this is a complicated problem, and âSagarmÄthÄ needs to be closed forever and everyone there is a heartless monsterâ is just⊠missing so, so much nuance, and is worse than useless if youâre trying to actually help the Sherpa people.
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