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I will defend Castiel to the day I die. He deserves so much better. Anti Destiel, Anti Dean Winchester.

[bluejaybug-deactivated20250624]

okay i have to say it.

hester's famous quote: "why should we give you anything? after everything you have taken from us? when castiel first laid a hand on you in hell, he was lost! for that, you're going to pay."

this isn't a destiel line.

i can see how it's be interpreted as such, but look at her wording. why should we give you anything, after everything you have taken from us? hester's furious. she's filled with righteous rage, understandably so. the apocalypse was averted, a civil war happened, an archangel just died, and then castiel went crazy with the souls, committed mass murder in heaven, died, came back, and is suddenly insane. the angels are fumbling for even a shred of stability.

and then there's the line, that famous line, when castiel first laid a hand on you in hell, he was lost! she's not saying lost to dean, she's saying lost from them. from the angels. castiel's family for his eons of existence. and then she says, for that, you're going to pay. for that. for taking cas from them, from the angels, from heaven, she's making dean pay. she's mourning the loss of the brother she loved. the brother who isn't her brother anymore because he's batshit insane and filled with so much guilt and self hatred that he smiled when his sister was beating him to death (that meg saved him from, not even sam or dean) because it's his sister killing him, his sister who deserves that.

this isn't a line about dean and cas, this is about hester and cas. hester hates dean. she despises him. "when castiel first laid a hand on you in hell, he was lost! for that, you're going to pay." she hates dean for what he's done, taking her brother from her. when cas brought dean back from hell, that was while he had doubts. dean didn't make him doubt, cas has always been doubting, always been rebelling. we know this from naomi's line: cas being the famous spanner in the works, the one with the crack in his chassis. but hester blames dean, again, understandably so, and she wants justice. for castiel, and for herself.

this isn't a destiel line. this is yet another piece of proof about how tragic the angels are, how much they've lost. this is about hester mourning and avenging her brother who's been lost to humanity, ruined at the hands of the winchesters, but also hating what her brother has become.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Proof Cas didnt change just because of Dean and cared long before Dean. God I hate SPN writers

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

People getting mad because Misha (jokingly) says he would tell Cas he could do better than Dean.

Pity Cas didn't have friend to tell him that because he poured his heart and love for Dean out and his only response and the only reaction anyone had to his death was Dean making a "don't be an eeyore joke)

Misha only joking but truer words never spoken

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Why majority of Destiel fans are not real Cas fans and them going on about Cas deserved better is because they completely missed point to why Cas deserved better.

They're going on about Cas being disowned after he came out as gay and bury your gays and defending writers and trying to find network conspiracys and there was none.

They lost their mind at confession exactly as writers planned them too. The writers where not covering up a homophobic love confession they where disposing of Cas and using destiel as a way to distract people on how terrible Cas was being treated.

Because most of them don't even recall ep 17 it's all about the confession, confession, confession.....

ep 17. Cas makes a touching declaration of the meaning he's found and how he has a family. Five minutes later this is ripped away from him by Jack declaring I'm going to die because its only way "Sam and Dean" will forgive me. No mention of Cas just a "you don't get a say". Cas goes to Dean tells him he's going to find another way. Dean ignores it, Cas returns for Dean to loudly proclaim that he'd sacrifice them all and Jack's not family.

So Cas once again finds out that noone cared about his feelings, that his dream of a family is invalid and then gives up his life because he's just being told yet again he doesn't matter, that noone needs him around they just need a weapon.

I'll give it to writers they really done a good job of distracting people from what was really happening and people still defend them.

Cas wasn't disowned after his confession, he was disowned from that family in ep 17 because that family only consisted of Dean and Sam it was spelled out but hid behind the confession.

And as for haters who said Cas didn't care about Jack. Jack sat and told Cas he didn't get say and Sam and Dean only ones he cared about. The writers took everything from Cas, his son, who he was, his sense of worth, his desire to fight.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

I rewatched some of supernatural and I think I've finually made some kind of begrudged peace with Cas's ending and confession. Cas telling Dean he was selfless and loving I think it was all Chuck, Chuck was controlling Cas not directly but throw Dean.

Everyone thinks Dean was completely OOC in finale regarding Cas's death because of his reaction to Cas's death in s13. And they think Chuck was still controlling things but I think it opposite I think s13 was when Chuck really got his claws and focus  into Dean. He used Cas against both Sam and Dean and even Cas himself in the end. And it explains Cas's complete over the top ending speech to a man that has only ever  treated him as tool and who was ready to sacrifice his son just hours before. It was all Chuck. 

In season 13 Dean prays to Chuck and suddenly has this huge out of character arc where he grieves Cas and he gives up even though Sam's still there. Sam's confused, this complete turn around from don't think I would put anything past or present before you. 

 

Chuck used Cas as a way to target Sam's insecurities in episode 9 he showed him a future where Dean was broken up about having to put Cas in a box and losing everyone and where just the two of them wasn't enough for Dean. And right while this is happening there is parallel to that ending. Dean is having another complete OOC moment with Cas in purgatory crying and apologising while Sam is in danger. 

Then while Chuck is focusing on other worlds and not them directly Dean returns to normal. In 17 he sends Cas away, impatiently hanging up phone on him. He doesn't care when Cas reveals about Jack dying and lets him go to try and find another way while he is completely steady in his decision that Jack has to sacrifice himself. He doesn't care when Cas says he might not come back. 

And that's how we know Chuck is definitely  defeated. In ep 20 the Winchester's are completely back to normal. The two of them are enough for each other, they don't need or want or care about anyone else they are completely happy and content right up until Dean dies. 

The sad thing is that although Cas is supposedly the only thing Chuck couldn't control he did control him. He controlled Cas the most in the end. He might not of being able to control Cas directly but he played on Cas's attachment to Dean. He manipulates situations in which Dean had OOC reactions and seemed to care about Cas. Like pointed out Dean was Cas's weakness, the weakness that eventually led to his death. 

When Chuck is weak because of the gun bullet we see them both in reality. Dean is willing to lock Cas in hell, Cas suddenly recognises and voices Dean and Sam only use him. 

Chuck directly calls Cas out on being the self loathing angel of the Lord and directly points out how he hasn't being able to control him because of Dean. What they didn't realise was he's gloating because he has controlled him. And he still was

Cas sacrifices himself for Dean, Chuck is defeated by Jack . Sam and Dean return to normal, the two of them against world. 

Once Jack saved Cas and Chuck was no longer controlling things Cas must of known  that the Winchester's had never truly wanted him. When Dean goes to heaven and Bobby mentions Cas, Deans expression is one of a far away memory, maybe slightly fond but not enough to be expressed on because they had all recognised that what they had was part of Chuck's influence and not real. 

[musclesandhammering]

You know what really gets me is when people call themselves bitter Cas stans and then you look on their search page and “destiel” is like their top tag. What.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Well said. Like Dean was the sole reason for 99 percent of Cas's trauma and self doubt. Dean was reason Cas accepted he couldn't have real happiness that happiness is just being in love and accepting you'll never be loved back (yes I am still so angry at this harmful message). Dean is reason Cas stopped feeling his life had any worth. He transferred his loyalty to serving heaven to serving Dean. Dean is the one who told Cas noone cared he was broken, abandoned him on street, sacrificed him constantly, abused his son, tried to lock him in hell. Cas pretty much committed suicide dressed up as a unrequited love confession for Dean and also served the purpose of telling the audience that Dean mistreating both Cas and Jack in last two seasons made him selfless and he did everything for love (another dangerous message, SPN's just full of them) and Dean's one and only reaction to this in episode 19 and 20 was "stop being an eeyore Sam, we got pie". If you ship destiel you never wanted better for Cas you wanted to trap him in loveless, one sided relationship just so you yourself could feel validated.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

The destihellers are loosing their mind about scripts coming out with scenes that where cut. Pretty sure they do rough draft then edit scripts to best ability to match the story and suit the characters. So it doesn't matter about a cut scene of Dean apparantly scattering Cas's ashes or the mention of them taking him to watch tombstone that's not canon. What was canon was the actual script they gave which was a very rushed emotionless reunion, Cas being told he was a tool again (Jack brought you back because we NEEDED you), Dean mentioning he made Cas watch tombstone (again he said I made you watch them, doesn't mean they watched them together there was no we in this) and then Cas leaving brothers again.

I hate that they took out Jack's prayer to Cas

I'm glad that they didn't include the "If Cas was here, he's not" in Dean's death scene because completely ignoring Cas as if he never existed and never having any kind of mention of him in last few episodes hurt but seeing the people who never grieved him or cared about his death mention him in regards to needing a useful tool one last time would of being an even bigger slap in face for real Cas fans.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

I think one of the worst things about Cas's ending was the dangerous message happiness isn't in the having just the being.

Your happiest moment in life should be accepting noone will ever love you back but happy you can give love and once you recognise that you should throw your life away.

And then you're proved right that noone ever loved you because your never grieved or mentioned again. And the person you died for doesn't gaf.

I'm low-key pissed off/disappointed at Misha for still standing by this was a good ending and love conquered all and refusing to address the dangerous message in it all. Love did not conquer all, Cas's confession did not save the world it saved Dean and it was really Jack who saved world. I still love Misha, I'll support what he does next but really don't want to hear any more off his opinions on supernatural or Cas.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Don't see how shippers can try and spin a positive on the one time on show where Cas bring supposed to be told he loved being changed to i need you. That's not powerful, it was last thing Cas needed to hear he wasnt loved or wanted he was just needed for his uses especially since all three times Cas powerless or close to powerless, when he was human, when he was dying from stolen grace and when Jack died in s15 he was dumped by his so called family. He never heard that he was loved or cared about by anyone just needed.

[waifstarion]

I don't get why people use Jack as a Destiel baby. Like people do know that Dean abused Jack, doesn't consider him family and never made any amends or show much remorse for his actions

they’re aware from what i can tell, however they like projecting on him and they personally like dean so they ignore that behaviour, claim it’s ooc, etc and erase jack’s abuse so they can have the idealized scenario they imagined. they take his very limited “kindness” towards jack in certain scenes and use it as evidence of him being a great father

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

The majority just use Jack as a tool in their destiel husbands with a kid head canon. They don't care about Jack or they really do think Dean was a great father and that's scary . Then again they also think Dean loved Cas and didn't get the hint when Dean told Cas he was dead to him and then didn't react to his sacrifice or death in the slightest.

Dean

Jacks a monster and I'll find a way to kill him

Jack's not family

Thanks Jack for sacrificing yourself so we can be free

Dean/Destiel stans

Oh he's such a good Dad, he's so adorable

Dean to Cas

Your dead to me

Go to hell you've being before right (tries to lock Cas in hell)

Cas sacrifices himself to save him and tells him he loves him

Dean

Blank stare, well that was awkard anyways don't be an eeyore Sammy we got pie

Bobby Jack fixed heaven oh and Cas is alive

Dean yeah that's information I don't care about oh my cars here I'm happy now bye

Destiel/Dean fans

Dean loved Jack and Cas 😂😂

They watched show but still had complete fictional version of Deans character where he a great Dad to Jack and a good partner for Cas.

Cas and Jack both seemed to have Stockholm Syndrome because of his treatment of them.

[deanwinchesterishorrible]

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Destiel shippers want to deny this pairing and erase it and Meg's existance but it happened they where real. A demon fell for an angel and it was beautiful. She sacrificed her very life to save him not a single other person ever did that for Cas.

#MegMastersMatters

[megstielforever]

My new Megtiel FanVid!!! Enjoy!!!

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

They loved each other

[lifereallysaidfuckyouhuh]

I hate when I say that I don’t like dean or destiel dean stans and destiel stans are quick to call me homophobic like??? I don’t dislike dean because he’s bi that has absolutely nothing to do with it in the sameway I don’t dislike destiel because it’s gay. That would be really hypocritical of me. Like no I dislike dean because he’s toxic and sexist and constantly gaslights other characters, and I dislike destiel because it’s an abusive relationship and it’s so toxic its ridiculous. Just because a character is lgbtq+ dosent exscuse there actions or make them this amazing being that’s not how sexuality works. I dislike these things regardless of there sexual orientation and propably more despite because I know how hard it is to find representation and I know you want to cling to it when you do.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Yeah that seems to be their thing if you don't like their ship your accused of being homophobic. The way "some" (not all) of them act its no wonder they can't see how abusive Dean is to Cas because verbal and emotional abuse is normal behaviour to them.

[demonic-ninja-cat]

A PSA for all you Dean Stans who think that Dean's victims (eg. Sam, Cas, Jack, etc.) are the ones "abusing" Dean:

Expressing autonomy and fighting for your autonomy is not abuse

Getting upset when someone abuses you, gaslights you, guilt-trips you, manipulates you, or violates your autonomy is not abuse

Saying that you wouldn’t violate someone’s body and autonomy to save their life the way they did to you is not abuse

Not following every order that someone gives you without question like a “perfect little soldier” is not abuse

Wanting to live your own life and be your own person is not abuse

Fighting back when someone is abusing you is not abuse

Getting upset when you find out that someone abused your child and that that same person wants to kill said child is not abuse

Having different opinions from someone, and not being a prejudiced asshole like they are, is not abuse

Being a part of a race/species/group that someone is prejudiced against is not abuse Having special abilities, and using said special abilities to save people, is not abuse

Having an evil asshole for a biological father is not abuse Having a traumatic birth is not abuse

Being an addict is not abuse

Being manipulated by someone and trusting the wrong person, and making a big mistake because of that, is not abuse

Not liking something that someone did for you/gave to you is not abuse

Showing emotions such as anger, sadness, grief, fear, etc. is not abuse

Defending someone else who is being abused is not abuse

Getting upset with someone because they killed your friend in front of her son just because of her race/species is not abuse

Not constantly being at someone’s beck and call is not abuse

Choosing saving the world over following someone’s orders is not abuse

Siding with your friend/girlfriend/partner/child/etc when someone is being abusive, assholeish, and/or bigoted to them is not abuse

Choosing to leave your toxic family and their dangerous toxic lifestyle that you hate is not abuse

Going no-contact after your abusive dad kicks you out for wanting to go to college, your older brother chooses your abusive dad over you, and they both say “get out and never come back” is not abuse

Moving on healthily after your brother dies, again leaving the dangerous toxic lifestyle he dragged you into, and having a family and a normal life is not abuse

Accidentally hurting/killing someone with your hard-to-control powers after they were screaming in your face is not abuse

Not immediately forgiving, brushing off, or “getting over” every bad thing that someone does to you and your loved ones is not abuse

Refusing to kiss someone’s ass, refusing to worship the ground they walk on, and refusing to do everything they say without question is not abuse

Being mentally ill, having hallucinations, and having trauma is not abuse

“talking back” or “having an attitude” with your abuser(s) is not abuse Standing up to your abuser(s) and not just taking the abuse lying down is not abuse

Refusing to kill innocents, and being upset with the person who wanted you to kill said innocents is not abuse

Getting upset with someone for attacking/killing innocent people just because of a part of them that they can’t help/control is not abuse

Being upset with someone for kicking you out/leaving you homeless is not abuse

Not having your abuser in most of your happy memories is not abuse

Running away from your abusive home is not abuse

Owning things that someone else doesn’t want you to have (eg. dogs, books that are unrelated to Hunting, healthy food, “chick flicks”, etc.) is not abuse

Liking things that are outside of the gender norms and/or that your abusive family doesn’t like/doesn’t want you to like, is not abuse

Not liking things that your abusive family likes/wants you to like is not abuse

Telling someone off for being racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/ misogynistic/ otherwise bigoted and assholeish is not abuse

Being possessed/controlled by someone and doing bad things against your will/when you’re not in your right mind, is not abuse Not helping someone with something they can do themselves, because you’re literally fighting a civil war against your own siblings and trying to prevent an apocalypse is not abuse

Doing something behind someone’s back to save people/the world, because they don’t give a shit about you, and they wouldn’t listen to you even though people/the world were in danger is not abuse

Keeping something about yourself a secret from someone, because that person was prejudiced against that thing and constantly judged and shamed you for it is not abuse

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

Everyone going on about how it was ooc for Cas not to return to Dean, save him or greet him in heaven. If Cas was in heaven, I like to think he was able to look down on Dean, saw for himself how Dean didn't give a shit about him, and the zero grief and finally recognized he deserved better than being a tool for someone who didn't appreciate him.

[castiel-and-meg-mattered]

This really hurt hearing Misha talk about how he watched finale as Cas Dean's friend and got so emotional. Meanwhile Cas's friends reaction to his death which was a sacrifice to save him was "we're free lets go eat pie" and zero grief. I know Misha said he's happy with Cas's ending but it has to hurt him that Cas never received any love or gratitude even once throw out years after giving up so much