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Amenta’s Tumblr timeline has concluded. I believe some people are planning to continue to blog, but no further plot-advancing events will be centrally announced.
It’s been wild. I’ve met some great people through Amentablr and we’ve written some good stuff and substantially enriched the setting’s glowfic form through notions and inventions originally made for Tumblr. I’d like to thank everyone who made it a rich and exciting experience.
Thank you for doing this!
If a magic faerie offered to make everything on Amenta instantaneously clean in exchange for creating one single, eternal, unopenable box full of pollution somewhere in space that would last forever, would you take the deal?
So this was a bizarre enough question that I searched to see if there’s some meme I’m missing! And it turns out there is, sort of - there’s a dispute in theology which is sort of similar to this one. It’s not this specific question, obviously, which I think no theologian would possibly disagree on except maybe the ones who think that next year self-improving AI will let us fill the observable universe with uploaded Amentans.
But theologians disagree a lot on the question of whether, if there was a single, eternal, inoperable box of pollution somewhere in space, this would be bad. The one take is ‘yes, obviously, any pollution existing anywhere in any context is bad’, and the other is that it’s any interaction between a sentient being and pollution which is bad (not just touching it; having to be aware of it or observe it or make decisions such that you don’t observe it also count) and so pollution which no one could ever interact with in any context couldn’t actually be bad.
I’m not green enough to find that position compelling. Pollution existing is obviously a bad thing even if no one could ever possibly interact with it. But it’s interesting that it’s disputed at all.
Anyway this question, unlike that one, is a no-brainer. Anon, if you weren’t sure about this you should take a hyposensitivity eval.
Actually, when surveyed, most Ereithani think dueling should be legal! It's important in activism to listen to the needs of the people you're activising for, and not speak over them.
Reality isn’t actually a popularity contest, and the fact that dueling is popular is one of the harms dueling does to a culture.
I don't see what your problem is. Countries have to deal with their stupid violent greys somehow. Most countries just wait for them to commit a crime and execute them. At least dueling gives them more of a chance to learn sometimes.
Dueling doesn’t just occupy people who are already violent; it creates violent people where there were none, by teaching them “kill people in this context” instead of “deal with your occasional impulses to kill people by saying mean things about them to your friends privately”. The number of people willing to kill people is not a fixed quantity, and influencing it is one of the most important things a society can do.
Why do you think Miolee is an equally bad place? They don't allow dueling.
Most people are willing to go to extraordinary effort and expense to avoid permaspringing, and also Miolee was founded by a bunch of murderous terrorists (though many countries are).
Fucking Anitami, always trying to force their norms on everyone else. if you knew anything about Ereith you'd know duels are an important part of their culture.
I do know that. Some cultures are actually bad, and regardless of whether a culture is bad, the fact that it promotes dueling is a bad thing about it. I have no opinion about how bad Ereith is because I usually form opinions about how bad places are by how much people will pay to swap out of them, and you can’t swap out of Ereith at all except to an equally bad place. But I am confident that lethal dueling is evil, and that cultures are to the extent they promote dueling sick, unhealthy, and harmful to their members.
People needn't condemn every harm committed on behalf of a cause they support -- no one asks the people who want a longer suicide waiting period to condemn every person who spreads pollution by killing themself too soon -- but I think it's important to condemn really serious atrocities, and when red rightsers refuse to condemn the Biyan suicide torture *and* the Evaleen massacre *and* the Evaleen childnappings/torture *and* Savo *and* praise pro-red murders, it gets to be a bit much.
I don’t understand why people keep sending me asks on this topic. I’m not one of the people you’re interested in talking to, I was horrified at all of those things when they happened which was literally years ago, and now I’d like to have a nice life with absolutely zero reds in it, and I basically achieve this if not for the obsessive persistence of tumblr anons. Do you not understand why people might be sick of this stupid, disgusting topic?
but wHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT
one sentence stands out from the tumblr post that got popular describing it:
I’ve known a few people who stood the same way at that age - five or six, old enough to have gotten used to winning, young enough to still feel invincible. They either grow out of it or they pick the wrong fight and die.
In countries that do not have a toxic, corrosive, deeply unhealthy culture of ritualized murder, there are no people like this. It’s not that they hide it better; it’s that they don’t exist. Ereith produced this person, and then Ereith killed them.
I am against that.
I just noticed that you never commented on the King of Warcrimeland, sorry, Ereith, murdering an innocent blue for insulting ex-reds. I think the silence of radical red rights activists like you on this matter is very telling.
As we all know, every blog that is not a rolling denunciation of atrocities in foreign countries is run by radical lunatics who are in favor of every last one of those atrocities.
I know your secret.
Sasa? Wow, it’s been eight years! It’s so cool to hear from you! I actually told a bunch of people the story about how in elementary school we started the Plants That People Don’t Like Club because we thought the word ‘weeds’ was unfairly derogatory. If I’d known that you still thought of it as our secret I would have been more circumspect, I guess.
Why "obviously have the right"?
"If you form mobs that refuse to disperse unless arrested, we will arrest them” is a commitment countries need to be able to make, for a couple reasons: 1) In a dense space like a modern city, if .1% of the population can shut down the city for the other 99.9% then you have a continual state of disaster. Whenever a small minority is dissatisfied, they can block streets and shut down businesses with total impunity, and someone is always going to be dissatisfied. It’s basically trying to get your grievances heard by creating a hostage situation, which is not how to do that.
2) It’s what they’re going to do in practice, so it’s better to be explicit about it. An important aspect of freedom is being able to trust that the laws on the books are actually the laws and that if you follow them you are safe.
3) I think protests are important. I think the permitting process is a good way to balance the importance of a protest against the public interest in it being possible to just live your life. If the permitting process is failing to balance those, we should work to make it better, but the ideal system is one that does do some balancing.
everyone involved in the protest has been arrested for obstruction of the proper functioning of the government, now that is wildly unsurprising
The ACLC considers arresting and charging everyone involved in a (lawful, or without explicit warning it was unlawful) protest after illegal actions by some protesters to be a sign of a repressive state. Why? Because you don’t have any control over whether someone at the other end of a large crowd throws a rock. So if you can be arrested for that, then it is never in any context safe to attend a protest. And if you see a protest, the only safe action is to run away, lest by walking near the protest you get flagged by a cop as being part of it. Protests gain a lot of strength from the fact people can see them and join them (or counterprotest); it is effectively wholly illegal to protest if you can be charged for anyone at the protest behaving unlawfully.
States obviously have the right to ban protests except for in designated locations through a permitting process, or to impose restrictions, even onerous ones, on the activities permitted to protesters. If the cops say ‘disperse’ you disperse, and if you don’t then you deserve what you get. If there’s violence you immediately sit down with your hands in the air and if you don’t you deserve what you get. But if your country charges people for other people at the same protest being idiots, then they’re deliberately creating a situation where you are uncertain and impacted by uncertainty, and that’s really bad.
but as-the-dawn straight up claimed to be an Anitam doctor and answered questions about being orange. it's not just trash riding it's caste, they're actually pretending to be clean people.
Well, then that person is super unethical and hopefully will fail medical school. It’s still a good idea not to follow people who make a big point of not stating their caste if you want to avoid following reds.
Ugh, I was following these two bloggers, @as-the-dawn and @reject-your-reality, and it turns out they're both RED :( I don't know what to do :( Every time I look at someone's blog and they don't say what caste they are it gives me a panic attack :(
Everyone who refuses to state their caste or anything about their life and doesn’t deny being red is red, because anyone who isn’t red would deny it. This is a pretty good rule that will save you from following a lot of gross people.
SAYING THAT NOT ALL THE FOOD WAS POLLUTED IS SAVO APOLOGISM YOU ARE IGNORING THE VERY REAL HARM SAVO CAUSED BY FORCING PEOPLE TO EAT LITERAL SHIT
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Wouldn't most people who were eating the unverifiable food eating at least a little polluted food, though? Like, most people who were eating it at all weren't eating one box of polluted cereal, they were eating at least an unverifiable meal a day, more if they could choke it down. Even if only one in a hundred food shipments was actually polluted, doesn't that mean they'd've eaten polluted food at least once?
Are you learning about the crisis in school or something? It was really upsetting to live through, and sending random strangers asks about pollution really isn’t an appropriate way to learn about this. Please just go to a library or something.
But since now I’ve thought about it anyway, I suspect that vastly less than one in a hundred food shipments that were unverifiable were polluted. In a month, Voa produces 180million tons of food. There were, as far as I know, only around a dozen pollutants caught touching the food; even if we assume that the majority of them got away with it, and that there were a hundred pollutants each of which interacted with several tons of food every day for a month, that’s a 1/18,000 chance that a given ton of food was polluted, and a significant majority of people eating food of questionable cleanliness never ate any that was polluted.
This was an act of psychological terrorism, and it worked only because uncertainty was deliberately created about which food could have been touched; Voa just produces too much food for a small group of conspirators to successfully pollute most of Voa’s food supply, but they succeeded at making the cleanliness of most of Voa’s food supply really uncertain, which was enough to do harm.
Did you eat polluted food during the Voan food crisis?
No. Most people who are answering ‘yes’ didn’t, either; they ate food of unknown provenance but nearly all of it was not handled by reds. The problem was that we couldn’t verify the food wasn’t polluted, not that most of it was.
