Julian really does just fascinate me as a character.
The Dillinger family line as a whole does, honestly. For the little we get of them, they're such huge continuing players in the franchise lore. (Another long rambling analysis/thoughts post incoming oops)
When my friend and I saw Ares the first time and that opening sequence played, the moment that Dillinger Systems was presented as the tech rival to ENCOM I remember thinking how did they/who let Dillinger do that after him being publicly disgraced after the events of Tron?
I guess with a good enough product and money, you can get away with anything, huh?
We don't really get to learn a whole lot about the Dillingers in-universe.
We know what Dillinger Sr did, we get that brief moment with Dillinger Jr in Legacy and in The Next Day where he proves that he's a brilliant programmer in his own right, enough to warrant his position as head of security design team and Alan rising to bat for him to Roy, and Ares is our only introduction to Julian and Elisabeth and by association, Dillinger Systems.
Ares says at the beginning of the film that Elisabeth is Dillinger Sr's eldest daughter and was head of the company for a rather unimpressive run before giving way to her son, to which she looks mildly affronted (and Julian looks rather amused) and replies that the company went up in value by twelve percent during her tenure.
Julian's introduction as current CEO of Dillinger Systems has him beginning a sales pitch to the board and potential clients for his state of the art military software. Stronger, smarter, better soldiers that can be reconstructed in an instant. State of the art tanks and other equipment.
Elisabeth doesn't appear to be too thrilled with the way Julian's taking the company, but it's out of her hands now so to speak. (I wish we got to know more about what the company got up to under her leadership.)
Her meeting Ares even seems to make her uncomfortable, though whether it's the nature of him being a program or the knowing that he has only 29 minutes to remain in their world (forty-five seconds by the start of Ares and Elisabeth's meeting) and he's due to violently derezz or a combination of both, who knows.
It's also interesting how when Elisabeth comes to stand beside Julian and Ares after that meeting, there's no closeness, no familiarity between them. They're all standing like three to five feet apart, it's all so formal and cold.
Sometimes it feels like Elisabeth is more concerned with the future of the company than she is with Julian himself, but you could arguably also spin that in the sense that she criticises Julian's every move because she also cares about him and that's her way of showing her love.
Yeah, they have their moments, but even then it's a bit strained. She pats Julian gently on the cheek and that's about as...I don't know, comforting? as she gets.
She is certainly not there to provide a safe place to be, someone to lean on, or comfort to Julian as the rest of the film progresses and everything spirals. In fact, she gets more and more annoyed with him and when it all comes to a head, the scene before she ends up being killed by Athena, she comes in like I'm shutting this down. You've been stripped of your position by the board and I'm taking control of the company again.
The last thing she says to her son is that all this is entirely his fault and implies that he's on his own here. What does that say?
Even if you make the argument that Julian and Elisabeth are close, they certainly don't feel like it and they don't show it in the way you'd typically expect to see it from a family. They have that very professional/work-oriented distant rich family feel to them. It's all about results and what do you bring to the table, not love.
I've seen this film in Russian far more times than I have in English so you'll have to correct me if the line in the English version is wrong/different here (I don't remember how it goes in English) but Ares says that it's a pleasure to meet the creator of his creator before he derezzes.
And just thinking about the family dynamic in the way it's presented is interesting because if Elisabeth is a kind of mirror of how Dillinger Sr was as a father, and Julian a mirror of that because it is what he knows, it says a lot about the way he treats his creations, specifically Ares and Athena.
They're nothing but tools to Julian - a means to an end that have little value unless they can perform for him. If not? Deleted without hesitation. It happened to Caius, after all. He's threatened Ares with it enough times throughout the film.
Something I thought is super interesting is that Ares starts to figure that out right from the get-go. When Julian rezzes in Ares along with the tank for the demonstration, as Ares scans the crowd and picks them apart, he does so for Julian as well, looking over as he says oh, if Ares is destroyed, we can just make you another one.
And what Ares sees is very interesting. Ares' analysis shows that Julian's intent is to stop his (Ares') objective and his verbal response shows signs of anger and intense sadness. What action should he take? Nothing - ignore the subject (Julian) for he's currently a low level threat and he should just continue his objective.
But what is his objective? I'd argue that after the introduction sequence we got with Ares which is him getting derezzed over and over again as his AI is trained into the fighter Julian wants, his objective is to survive.
Though, Julian's anger/intense sadness as he says that is something that's also fascinating. He doesn't really care about Ares, so I wonder if that reaction is because Julian knows he's lying to the board and that all his attempts thusfar to find the Permanence Code have ended in failure.
But already, there's some tell into Julian.
Julian is absolutely the kid that people did not say no to. And if they tried, he took it as a personal challenge and got even more insufferable, pushing and bending and breaking until he could see just how much and exactly what he could get away with.
He's also kind of a bastard, calling up and taunting the ENCOM team for fun.
And everything is his to be used as he sees fit. As long as he benefits in the end? Julian had the privilege of meeting his programs face-to-face and still treated them like they were just tools to be discarded and used on a whim. Ares feared for his own continued survival under Julian. In a way, so did Athena. He'd delete her too if she couldn't fulfil her directive. Both of them feared him in their own ways, I think, only Ares chose to rebel against his creator and Athena chose to serve. One way or another they'd get to stay alive.
Julian also definitely doesn't think consequences apply to him. When the Ares/Athena/Eve bike chase through the city wrapped up and the news was covering it, Julian didn't look worried. He looked pissed more than anything else meanwhile Elisabeth was the one who was getting worried, essentially telling Julian he's going too far, that he's not in control like he thinks he is, and that is job is to ensure the continuation of the company. And Julian just kind of shrugs it off, nursing his anger and his growing dislike for Eve Kim. He'll get the Permanence Code and everything will be great, you'll see. Who cares if a few people get hurt along the way?
Elisabeth tries to caution him against hacking into ENCOM, but what does he do? Shrugs off her concerns, deploys Ares, and just goes oops!
Hell, he's willing to straight up commit murder if it means he gets what he wants. And it didn't seem like it was all that hard a choice for him to make, either.
And Ares, this great, supposed to be terrifying security program, is the one with a conscience here, telling Julian that extracting the code will delete Eve Kim from both the Grid AND Julian's world. Executing this command cannot be undone.
To that, Julian delivers what's probably my favourite fucking line of this entire film: There was a program named Ares. Ares obeyed every command Julian Dillinger gave him and Julian Dillinger earned three million dollars and wrote his name on the face of time in blood!
No arguments. He doesn't care about Eve's fate. Just his own. Ares will comply or else.
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to find out that Julian equates value and self-worth directly with his own success. That that's what might have actually got him noticed by anyone in that household.
He's also kind of pitiful, honestly. Underneath all that intelligence, bravado, and dare I say charm (he knows how to work a crowd when it matters), he's very much a child who has no idea what he's doing. If money, power, or cunning dirty tricks can't solve his problem (see: the aftermath of everything he has wrought), he doesn't know what to do.
Failure does not seem like something that's tolerated by the Dillingers. Julian certainly doesn't tolerate it. He told Ares to enjoy this last 29 minutes of life after he escapes from the Dillinger Grid with Eve because that's all he's going to get. He deleted Caius for not performing to his standards. When Athena rezzes herself into Julian's world, when Julian gets over his initial shock, he immediately snaps at her like where's my code??
Towards the end of the film, I genuinely wonder if there's guilt wrapped up in all there.
There might be. But he just as likely might not blame himself, either. It's definitely messy and complicated and it's a situation he has never had to deal with before.
It's Ares' fault for disobeying his programming and going rogue. It's Elisabeth's fault for stepping in and trying to stop Athena. It's Athena's fault for failing her directive each and every time. It's Eve Kim's fault for standing as his opposite, for corrupting Ares, for finding the Permanence Code before him.
But none of that would've happened if not for his actions.
There's just so much to say and I fjkl;asdj