[crowmigration]

I’m already noticing that this community is becoming increasingly saturated with both children and adults who put “spiritual kin” in quotation marks, as if Otherkin/Kinning didn’t originate as a Neo-pagan belief. Over time, that origin has been diluted and reframed into a hobby or simply having a strong relationship to a character, animal, or concept, something that in most other contexts would be received as immensely disrespectful or dismissive of a religious or spiritual practice.

The spiritual concept of Kin along with its original meaning has effectively been pushed out of its own space by Tumblr users and hobbyists. This mirrors what’s now happening with Miscefolk, which is being reinterpreted and reshaped into “Misceverse” by a similar demographic. In both cases, the terms are drifting away from their original intent and audience, displacing the people they were created to represent. We’ve already seen this happen with Kin or Spiritual Kin, which is now often referenced in a derogatory or trivializing way. It’s disheartening to watch the same pattern repeat with Miscefolk versus Misceverse terminology.

I am not afraid to say I think many people have either misunderstood or deliberately misinterpreted the original coiner of #Miscefolk ‘s post, reducing it to scare monger claims that “they just hate alterhumans, therians, kinnies, or systems.” From personal experience interacting with them on more than one occasion I know this is completely misplaced slander.

The term Miscefolk (along with related terms like miscecanis and misceanimalis) was coined to describe people who still identify as human but experience strong, involuntary Non Human Earth-animal instincts that mirror the Omegaverse.

The use of “-verse,” shorthand for “universe” or “AU” (alternate universe), comes from fictional writing and roleplay spaces. Applying that language to Misce makes it sound like a fictional genre, or something tied to constructed narratives, faux memories of alters/parts of DIDOSDD systems, or past lives of Kin individuals. While there’s nothing inherently wrong with those frameworks using them in misapplication can overshadow and confuse the experiences of Misce+ individuals who are describing this present universe and lived realities of people who do not choose these behaviors or identities as a hobby.

If you’re looking for a broader term to describe Misce alignments and species considered fictional or originating from mythology or folklore you may find this post helpful, I’d encourage others exploring those.

My intention here isn’t to start conflict just to share an observation. As an adult, I’m not interested in engaging in drama or arguing with minors. This isn’t meant in bad faith; it’s simply a perspective based on what I’ve been seeing.

[pack-the-pack]

Huh, it's been a while since I've been here on this site. But what a pleasant surprise awaited me!

Thank you so much for being understanding over my stance on the whole terminology aspect of things.

I still hold the belief that there's nothing wrong with the other experiences people were/are having, but I just never thought they fit my term the way it was intended to be used. And at the end of the day, that was all it was about.

I get a lot of people don't understand my point of view, or even want to have a dialogue about it. Maybe because they disagree with me (which is their right to do so) or because they just don't like me altogether (I can come across pretty harsh and rude sometimes, so again, completely their right to not like me lol). Regardless of their reasoning, I agree with you that there was no reason to take that beyond what it actually was.

But this being tumblr, what could we expect really? Hahhahaha and you're right. If you take the time to talk to me, and not just talk, but also listen, I am not half as bad as I come across hahhahaha

It always kind of came as a surprise, and odd to me, the things people accused me of. Like "being anti-system", I don't have to justify myself or even show any receipts, but most people that know me semi-personally know that this is very very far from the truth.

And it always seemed a bit weird that these were the things people would level against me? The ones that made no sense hahhahaha like, I have a laundry list of things that you can 100% pin against me as flaws of character or shortcomings, but majority of the ones they choose have little to no basis 😅

Anyways. Your posts were very kind and lovely and you're a very reasonable and fair. The way you defended me was very touching and I'm very grateful for the kindness you extended to me, even when you had no obligation to do so.

If you need anything, let me know. Count me as a friend ☺️

[static-misceverse-blog]

Interesting

Honestly I’ve used misceverse and miscefolk interchangeably ? Like I feel like miscefolk specifically refers to people in the community whereas misceverse moreso refers to the community/practice/identity as a whole ? And that “verse” was just in place of whatever you want to put there, ie canis, felis, avian, draconic, etc

I personally don’t identify fully as human and still use the misce terms, from everything I found I never got the sense it was particularly for people who do or don’t?

On the kin thing I don’t really like the idea that spiritualism is the “original” because that implies psychological or unlabeled is less valid, from everything I’ve read I think it’s always been a mix. I certainly don’t think people should invalidate spiritual otherkins i just don’t think the assumption should be one way or the other. It’s up to the individual and I think it’s always been that way, people joined together out of shared experiences of feeling nonhuman, it doesn’t have to be more complicated or restricted then that

I find I notice a weird disregard for eachother between therians and otherkins, like the communities seem to ignore eachother

I think it’s because they formed separate from eachother, convergent evolution, convergent formation of community

And that’s not even touching on the werefolk community and draconic community, I think it’s really sad as someone who branches across all these labels, the amount of hate and negativity and discrediting

When we all face the same issues, we’re all denied a form that feels comfortable we’re all insulted, harassed, people mix us up with furries (which no offense bc I am also a furry but it’s completely different) and we face the same allegations of being mentally unwell (and even if we are, we shouldn’t have to face discrimination and discrediting for it) or having harmful paraphilias we all get that

And we also all face the struggle of people taking our labels and misusing them, watering them down, and then refusing to learn.

Sorry I know this second part isn’t really the main point but i just wanted to share my take, spiritual kins were definitely always there and helped form the community but i also think psychological kins have been there the whole time too and either side invalidating the other is useless and just causes harm.

[crowmigration]

When discussing Kin, I want to clarify I never intended to separate psychological kin from the community. That's not what I believe at all. I was only attempting to speak from my own spiritual kin experience because that's what I know. If my post came across as suggesting spiritual kin tracing back to elven reincarnation ancestry in its origin or “original community” —is somehow "better" or more legitimate than psychological kin I apologize for causing that misconception, that wasn't my intention. I was simply trying to speak only on experiences I feel qualified to discuss, not create some hierarchy of kin identities.

[crowmigration]

I hope this discussion doesn't come across as pointless terminology discourse. My concern isn't entirely or wholly with the words themselves, it is also taking issue with the deeply troubling attitude toward Null that I've witnessed within the misce community. I've seen far too many posts and anonymous on a particular coiners blog in passing via asks that paint Null in a horrifically insulting light, baselessly accusing them of being anti-system, anti-alterhuman; anti-kin and worse.

Let's be clear: this was never just about terminology. This is about the flagrant disrespect shown to the very person who created the foundation for this entire community. Without Null (pack-the-pack), none of you would even have a space to occupy, let alone a name for your shared experiences. The bare minimum one can offer is respect for their stated wishes, rather than responding with backlash, verbal abuse, rumors or complete disregard.

It speaks volumes that some members can't be troubled to coin their own terms or use others. Instead, they choose to piggyback on someone else's work while completely disregarding and even going so far as causing public drama or verbally demeaning the demographic for which those terms were originally intended. This isn't community building; it's mean spirited entitlement.

[crowmigration]

I’m already noticing that this community is becoming increasingly saturated with both children and adults who put “spiritual kin” in quotation marks, as if Otherkin/Kinning didn’t originate as a Neo-pagan belief. Over time, that origin has been diluted and reframed into a hobby or simply having a strong relationship to a character, animal, or concept, something that in most other contexts would be received as immensely disrespectful or dismissive of a religious or spiritual practice.

The spiritual concept of Kin along with its original meaning has effectively been pushed out of its own space by Tumblr users and hobbyists. This mirrors what’s now happening with Miscefolk, which is being reinterpreted and reshaped into “Misceverse” by a similar demographic. In both cases, the terms are drifting away from their original intent and audience, displacing the people they were created to represent. We’ve already seen this happen with Kin or Spiritual Kin, which is now often referenced in a derogatory or trivializing way. It’s disheartening to watch the same pattern repeat with Miscefolk versus Misceverse terminology.

I am not afraid to say I think many people have either misunderstood or deliberately misinterpreted the original coiner of #Miscefolk ‘s post, reducing it to scare monger claims that “they just hate alterhumans, therians, kinnies, or systems.” From personal experience interacting with them on more than one occasion I know this is completely misplaced slander.

The term Miscefolk (along with related terms like miscecanis and misceanimalis) was coined to describe people who still identify as human but experience strong, involuntary Non Human Earth-animal instincts that mirror the Omegaverse.

The use of “-verse,” shorthand for “universe” or “AU” (alternate universe), comes from fictional writing and roleplay spaces. Applying that language to Misce makes it sound like a fictional genre, or something tied to constructed narratives, faux memories of alters/parts of DIDOSDD systems, or past lives of Kin individuals. While there’s nothing inherently wrong with those frameworks using them in misapplication can overshadow and confuse the experiences of Misce+ individuals who are describing this present universe and lived realities of people who do not choose these behaviors or identities as a hobby.

If you’re looking for a broader term to describe Misce alignments and species considered fictional or originating from mythology or folklore you may find this post helpful, I’d encourage others exploring those.

My intention here isn’t to start conflict just to share an observation. As an adult, I’m not interested in engaging in drama or arguing with minors. This isn’t meant in bad faith; it’s simply a perspective based on what I’ve been seeing.

[lepus-fangs]

i find the idea that the miscemunity doesnt include """fictional""" species so odd. ESPECIALLY as a system.

we are real people with real biology, behavior and instincts. we just align with what your world views as "not a real species" or "came from fiction"

but that doesn't stop me from... being a real person with a real species?

idk, maybe we're to sensitive but sometimes it almost feels pluralphobic/sm else idk to have my species and being called fictional and not real enough to use the same terminology as everyone else.

[crowmigration]

If we say fictional means fake and illigitimate in this case then what are we saying about fictionkin with this sentiment? Why is the term fiction legitimate or non derogatory in one community but seemingly dubbed or misinterpreted as an intentional act of othering by a coiner who made the term specifically for experiences only they can acclaim and account for? Isn’t it good that the coiner of #Essenti #Mystiori and the umbrella term #Misce+ it is coined by a non human alter of a OSDD system— I’d find it strange for a singlet and human identifying individual to coin such terms personally.

This aside It is not unreasonable to feel this way. I take the “fictional” label on the beak to refer to what other people do not believe to exist in this current universe as a species as their own personal understanding of the world they currently live in.

I do understand how that feels very othering to other people. I personally chalk it up to the way some people believe some deities exist while not believing in others, or how atheists believe there is no afterlife compared to other people who may believe in an afterlife but no particular or definitive deity.

Of course this doesn’t exactly help the sensation or worry others view your species or existence as “fake” or “fantasy”. Generally speaking though these people are usually incredibly ignorant or harmlessly uninformed or misinformed. I see the inclusion of Essenti and Mystiori a branch the way Otherkin, Fictionkin and Therian are all different experiences for different groups with strong overlap under the Alterhuman umbrella.

There was a reason for people who have past life experiences or relations as earth animals to differentiate themselves among people who recall past life experiences or relate to/as a person or species in a universe unlike our own that many in our current one would dub fictional.

I do not believe everyone uses the term fictional to directly reference to fakeness or illegitimacy. Perhaps it’s better to refer to these groups or species as supernatural or crypto zoological?

[miscealignment]

I am an advocate for people doing whatever they want with a/b/o, but sometimes I can't tell if people are using the "misce" side of it for real people, or if they're using it for fictional things. And that is slightly uncomfortable...

Again you can do whatever you want. I'm not the Misce police. But the uncertainty at times is disconcerting.

If they're using it for real people, then that's that. But if they're using to refer to fictional people and things part of me wonders if they know about real misce people, and if they do, why would you use it for fictional things?

This isn't a bashing post of "how dare you!" or "we own the right to everything related to it, you can't have it!". It is a genuine inquiry.

Is there a reason? Is this just a mix up or misunderstanding? Am I unaware of something I should be aware of?

Like I could, 100% be missing the plot and there's an obvious reason for it all.

Waiting for clarification if anyone could help me with this one.

[deviltriigger]

agreed! zero hatred to those who interact with omegaverse NOT as an identity system, but sometimes under the #miscecanis tag I can’t tell if I’m interacting with someone who is a miscecanid themself or are merely making headcanons! I was under the impression that the miscecanis label originally existed partially to make that distinction! I wonder if there is some other way to make it clear? maybe #actually miscecanis or #actually omegaverse ?

[miscealignment]

Yeah, exactly. I genuinely cannot tell if I'm witnessing a misce individual, or if I'm just seeing someone who thinks this is just "another omegaverse trope to be used in fictional works".

And yeah, I created the label in order to distinguish this aspect of us (misces) from the rest of the Omegaverse fans and creators. Obviously at the time when I created the term I was only thinking of canine-like and more traditionally presenting misce people, aka people that identified with the more traditional and classic interpretations of Omegaverse. Which, admittedly, was an oversight on my part. But it was a self-leveling issue, given others expanded on it in order to include different presentations. Such as:

- Miscefelis

- Miscelupus (technically this one I suggested also at the time of the coigning of the term),

- Misceanimalis

- Miscelapin (I don't know if I can call this one also deriving from my own suggestion in this post. Because it might have been in use before by other people).

And so on and so forth. And to be very clear, I have no issue with these expansions, at all.

But the influx of new labels and scents makes me confused, and I think the crux of this confusion is the term I keep seeing over and over again: Misceverse.

I've seen the suffix "verse" refer to things in the real world before such as "twitterverse". But even then, the connotation behind the usage was often one of sarcasm and mockery, exactly because the suffix made it sound like something less than real, something apart from reality. And this is its most common usage.

People use the suffix verse to refer to a universe (hence the name) that is different from this one. Its focus is other, and its inhabitants are also other. I can give a practical example:

The Veraverse fanfics, by infamous author George DeValier. It was called that because the fanfics were written around the framework of Vera Lynn's war songs.

I guess the exception to this would be when regarding cosmological terms such as "omniverse" or "multiverse", or even more recent virtual or augmented reality spaces, such as the "metaverse".

But even then, the connotation is still one of separation, one of otherness and departure from our current reality.

And within omegaverse itself there's the issue that we all call our made up worlds and collection of headcanons "our verse/my verse". Which I understand can be used to refer to one's interpretation of something, but it also refers to fictional ideas and concepts, yet again making it difficult to set apart which is which. It just adds to the confusion.

It makes me uncertain when I see that word. Because we aren't apart from reality, we still live in the same world we always lived in, only now as misce-aligned individuals. A main reason for the choice of this blog's name btw.

It makes me wonder if they're referring to a fictional construction. A world other than this one, where there are characters or people with these scents and identities, or if they're referring to the community.

If it's the former then I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding on their part on what Misce is and its intended usage (which, again, still bears no form of authority because I remain not being the Misce police) and I think a word other than "misce" would be more appropriate in order to avoid all this identification problem. If it's the later, then I still think the term is ill fitting, for the reasons I expressed previously.

And what worries me about it, is the potential confusion it might cause for those outside of the community or Omegaverse to begin with. If you're an outsider looking in, and saw the term "misceverse", wouldn't you assume it's a variant or even interchangeable term with Omegaverse itself, and thus, a fictional trope? I know I would. It's not unlikely at all, this whole confusion stems from this very connection. And if you are someone who thinks misce is applicable to only fictional things, then why wouldn't you tag the whole post or work with misce tags? They aren't at fault for doing so. Because the term (misceverse) is muddy and frankly misleading.

I think it should be altered or dropped in order to prevent the mix up and prevent potential misunderstanding. Because it could cause the term (misce and its variants) to become essentially useless.

I'll try to give some suggestions, granted y'all don't have to take any of the ones I suggest. Come up with something more to y'all's liking if you wish, but I do strongly advise to ultimarely drop misceverse.

Suggestions:

✦ [Referring to data or information on any misce-aligned identity]

- Miscelloge (misce + sylloge).

- Miscelectum/miscelegis/Miscelegere or whatever the correct form is (Misce + many forms of the word "lego").

- Misceinfo.

- Miscentitatis (Misce + Identitatis).

- Miscendicina (Misce + Indicina).

- Miscertyria (Misce + Martyria).

- Miscehood.

- Miscelegium (Not to be confused with legumes, but derived from the word florilegium, this one is my personal favourite due to this connection).

✦ [Referring to the community or collective of Misce-aligned identities]

- Miscemia (a little medical sounding, but it could work).

- Miscemedley.

- Miscemunity. (Misce + Community - I particularly like this one, I think it's cute)

- Misceglomerate.

- Miscekith (I made sure to not make this one "miscekin" as not to further confuse people, given the whole otherkin community).

- Misceciety (Misce + Society).

To finish it off, I'm not saying all of this in order to be mean, or to "gatekeep" or to bash or diminish or "call out" people for doing these things. I don't think they did anything wrong or with ill intent. But ultimately my concern is that we Misce people may lose our space here and other places, which mind you is already rather small and niche, due to potential confusion. Confusion that can be avoided and corrected by simply changing the word we use to refer to it. So no, I don't think it's just a matter of semantics. I think it's a matter of self-preservation.

Alas this is all my own opinion. I don't know if other Misce people would agree with me or not. And honestly this is an individual decision, and no one, including I, can tell you what you should or should not do.

I do, however, beg everyone in the misce community, or that has come in contact with it to think about it. It may seem small and insignificant to you, all this that I'm saying, but it's very important to other people. And I think that's enough reason to at least consider it.

[crowmigration]

Already seeing this community is very rampant with children and adults putting “spiritual kin” in quotations like this as if Otherkin/Kinning wasn’t originally a Neo pagan belief people decided to turn into a hobby that anyone else would say is outright disrespectful or weird to do to any other religious belief, following or aspect.

Spiritual Kin and the origins of the term have been pushed out of their own community by tumblr kids and hobbyists the very same way Miscefolk has been taken over and redefined into Misceverse by children and some adults. This is successfully pushing out the demographic the term was originally made for — shockingly similarly to what happened to spiritual kin who are now referred to in large by the tumblr in derogatory contexts or quotations.

It’s sad witnessing these same things echoed over Misceverse vs Miscefolk terminology.

I think many people have misread or intentionally misinterpreted the original coiners post to break it down into “they just hate or think alterhumans, therians, otherkin, fictionkin or DIDOSDD systwns are cringe or weird”. Knowing Null personally this just isn’t true at all. When Null the coiner of Miscefolk/Miscecanis/Misceanimalis made the term it was to reflect people who still identify as HUMAN with EARTH ANIMAL INSTINCTS.

“Verse” is short for universe which is another name or tag for AU meaning alternate universe. Such terms are used by roleplayers and fictional writers. So this is why we say use of “Verse” waters down the original origins and intentions to be mistaken for a fictional genre, a separate universe, faux memories from alters/parts in DIDOSDD systems or even past life memories by certain religious or spiritual groups.

Nothing is wrong with any of these groups although it definitely overshadows and confuses a community who are speaking on current lived experiences as Misce+ individuals— those of us who do not voluntarily choose or select these behaviors or ways of living as a fun hobby.

[miscealignment]

✦Misce terminology, its effects and variants✦

So I talked at lenght about my thoughts on the term "misceverse" in this post right here and then reenphasized it all in this one. So I won't extend myself on that again. But I would like to bring yet another thing on that regard to the community at large, something I spoke about with others in my own server and I have the vague memory of speaking about it here on tumblr too, but couldn't find any old post or reblog on it. And it is somehitng that a pack member of mine even came up with new terminology and a flag for. Which is: I do not think Miscecanis or even the suffix "misce" fit with mythological and fictional creatures and the people who identify with such beings. Now, things I need to preface before continuing. This is not a hate post, this is not necessarily to "gatekeep" and I'm not really calling out anyone here. It is merely something I think makes sense and could serve the misce community and this new community a lot better than just having misce alone as an umbrella term. My pack-mate and friend @maliciousarmor came up with a new terminology for people who identify with fictional or mythical creatures in a manner similar to how misce poeple identify with real earthen animals, they called it:

"Essenti/Essentitas" - For non-human but still humanoid identities (vampires, sirens, demons, etc.)

and

"Mystiori/Mystirigo" - For mythical and non-human animal identities (dragons, cryptids, phoenix, etc.)

Personally I find these absolutely lovely and magical. I think it makes for a great new space for those which aren't the classical interpretation of "misce" and its intended original usage. To me "Essenti" and "Mystiori" sound so nice and I love the meaning behind it, You can find their whole explanation and original post right here! In summary, I still stand in my belief that fictional (or mythical) things regarding omegaverse and its tangential spheres aren't really the most fitting things to exist in the misce umbrella. And honestly after talking to maliciousarmor about it, I think it is wonderful that they came up with these new terms and the flag (which I'll show below, because it's honestly gorgeous too). We are still similar, but we aren't the same, basically it's what I'm saying. This way we're still connected, but have more clear definitions for everyone. Like sister or cousin communities. Together but apart. Anyways, I'll reiterate that this is not a hate post or even a way of "kicking" anyone out. As I said before I am not the misce police. But I do think my friend's passion and effort should be regognized and if you feel in your heart that this is the community for you, please support them by adopting their terminology and helping to spread it to more of your friends and loved one who can also use a loving space and community such as this.

Long life and prosperity to the Senti and Mysti community!