[dhakcjshkvjbd]

bi women do not owe it to anyone to silently tolerate abuse or bigotry, or to be nice and deferential to the perpetrators.

[sowhatnotcreative]

The only reason forced pregnancy and forced birth is not considered against human rights is because women are not considered humans.

[kronkk]

I’ve talked about this a lot but something that I think makes it painfully obvious that men see how horrific both rape and forced impregnation and birth are is the movie Alien (1979). Alien came right behind Roe v Wade, of the Hyde act, serious discussions on pregnancy discrimination, and Commonwealth v Pitchford, where a woman who gave herself an “illegal abortion” with knitting needles was put on trial for manslaughter. All this touches back on the fact that horror is very much tied to public fears and broader societal conversations.

In the making of Alien, H.R. Giger wanted the face hugger to be hermaphrodictic in appearance, but him and dir Ridley Scott both wanted the first victim of the alien to be a man because they knew a man being orally raped and impregnated then murdered by the ‘birth’ of that thing would be more shocking than if it was a woman. They know how horrifying it is. Which somehow makes it more sinister that when it’s women actually experiencing it that isn’t not seen as torture. A man being forcibly impregnated (yes with a monster but it’s a horror movie and that argument goes out the window when they specifically wanted a man as the victim to be more horrific) and killed by it is what made what is widely recognized as one of the best scifi horror films in existence.

They know how horrific it is, they just don’t care because it doesn’t happen to them and because they don’t see women as humans.

[basileater]

many people believe that behind every evil man there is a woman who could've fixed him and the fact she failed means she is actually more evil than him

[drbased]

The whole ‘if men didn’t exist we’d dress hotter’ is so irritating… girl you do realise that your entire conceptualisation of the concept of ‘hot’ has been constructed and perpetuated by men. Like most of you are straight, you wouldn’t know what looks hot on a woman without being told by men; men existing are the reason why you're drawn to sexy clothing in the first place. Men aren't fantasising about not having women around so they can walk around in mankinis, get a grip.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

I can’t speak for straight women but I think the idea that a woman would have no concept of what looks good on her without a man there to tell her is incredibly far-fatched.

I guess maybe you’re thinking “hot” = sexually attractive, and in that case I can see why you’d say a straight woman can’t know what people find sexually attractive about women without being told. But if that’s the case, I think you’re just interpreting “hot” wrong. Most straight women have an appreciation for female beauty even if it isn’t sexual. They don’t mean that they’d dress to be maximally titillating for straight men. They mean that they currently avoid certain styles and dress more “modest” than they otherwise would because they know men will sexually harass them if they don’t.

[blackswallowtailbutterfly]

about that "male firefighters actively sabotage equipment that female firefighters use"you said... were there documented cases or just something you personally noticed?

This isn’t the article I recalled, but an example anyway:

Morningstar was hired but given a 90-day probationary period; for men it was 30. Then the gear theft and tampering started. Her gloves, hoods, and radio vanished (2007); her mask was sabotaged (two weeks after 9/11). She found what appeared to be semen on her bed (2012). Clothes continued to be stolen and destroyed. Word of the harassment rose all the way to Mayor Don McIlroy, and the department issued a warning against equipment tampering, but nothing substantively changed. 

Another:

Her concerns included having her firefighting gear tampered with several times

And another:

Ever since Judy Brewer became America’s first female firefighter 45 years ago, women have been hazed in the fire service, including sabotaged oxygen tanks and glass in their boots.

More:

You're living twenty-four hours a day in a firehouse and nobody will talk to you. Shit in your boots. Women at the front end of a fire hose and a fire scene and the water gets cut off from her.

I can’t even find the article I had in mind (it was around four or five years ago), but it looks I didn’t need to.

[swedepea]

And men wonder why women don't want to go into male-dominated career fields. 🙄

[officialweatherwax]

I love when MRAs are like "women make men do all the hard and dangerous jobs" while the women who do enter those fields have to put up with men trying to kill them

[bubbtub]

can't even make fun of bald men because suddenly everyone who dissects women's appearances like lab frogs is an expert on body shaming and against it 😔

[sweetshifter]

In the UK:

[kotdomowy]

The WHAT??? Imagine if we tried this shit with cellulite for example? So many men would be behind bars lmao

[vampirrs]

If you want to see moids true sexuality, look at their homosexual relations.

There is no female to inhibit their desires, ask of them for romance or a $100 dinner that convinces no one but her that she is worth something right? No risk of pregnancy. No week-break from sex for menstruation or even more if she experiences PMS. None of that. No pickiness.

They hook up mindlessly, it doesn't matter if the male they are fucking is their type or not. Fat, bald, hairy, sweaty, old, young, short. Does not matter with them. Their only concern is a hole to put their dick in.

I knew a gay male once who used to tell me stories of his sexual endeavors. He hooked up with a man with a scat fetish, an armpit fetish, a thighfucking fetish and the list goes on.

His cousin (18) and he (14) used to have sex. A guy in his 50s-60s fucked him when he was 16 years old.

This is moids true and natural form. They are not different when they are heterosexual, they just learn to supress it and tolerate you for your vagina. Nothing else. It's why most of them get pissed off when they marry a female and she refuses sex. He has invested time and money into pleasantries and flowers and the effort of keeping up the mask he has on and it ends up being a no.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

They hook up mindlessly, it doesn't matter if the male they are fucking is their type or not. Fat, bald, hairy, sweaty, old, young, short. Does not matter with them.

lesbian version of this when?? 🥵

[ruuling]

So, last night at philosophy club, we finally got into the trans/gender ideology debate. On one hand, i was excited because for the first time i said what i needed to say in a semi-public venue; it felt good to get a lot of it off my chest and let people know where i stand. On the other, i was left incredibly disheartened by the fact that in a group of 5 women and 1 man, the only one who backed me up was the man. One of the women did have things to say about transitioning children that I appreciated, but for the most part, the other women were glad to throw their fellow females under the bus to uphold this ideology.

my sister is a case manager and has trans clients, so i can extend some respect there, that it's literally her job to get resources for these people. i tried to make it clear that i don't wish harm on trans people and i do believe they are marginalized as well and are deserving of legal and physical protections; it's bizarre to have people who KNOW ME, my own sister and friends, assuming that i think any GNC people should be thrown out into the cold with nothing. it just shows how deep this shit the brainwashing runs, that they can't separate me as a person from ideology. but why, i ask over and over again, WHY must this be at the expense of women's safety? why is it ALWAYS at the expense of women?

i don't even want to say "natal women" or "biological women" anymore because all that does is reinforce their claims. i'm also not going to use to the term 'trans women' anymore but will stick with 'trans identifying males.'

one of the girls there ended with "well for my part i just want to say that i'm personally comfortable welcoming all different types of people into the bubble fo womanhood" ok that's great for you, but what about women who have suffered at the hands of males? women with trauma? little girls who aren't ready to see a naked male body? it really illuminated to me how complicit women are in their own oppression and i'm feeling really fucking down about it today. the hatred for women just runs so deep, i feel like i can't even wrap my mind around it.

if you believe male-bodied people belong in women's spaces you're just a fucking freak. i'm so done. you don't care about women. you ARE comfortable with women being SA'd and raped if you think TIMs belong in female spaces. i'm so done... i'm more done than i've ever been.

[benyw]

"You ARE comfortable with women being SA'd and raped if you think TIMs belong in female spaces." - they think it'll never happen to THEM and that attitude infuriates me! It's the same shit as "well, we need prostitution so that men don't rape real women...".

If the bad stuff was relegated to only happen to women who wanted TIMs in their spaces then I'd walk away from this issue, but it's always the poorest and most vulnerable women who get it in the neck when privileged women decide to back the latest politically correct form of male worship.

[sickofeverythingmale2]

Also trans people aren't marginalized. No marginalized group demands "protections" or "rights" that would harm women and homosexuals. This is very clearly a privileged group who is using misogyny and homophobia for their own gains. They don't need any more rights than they already have when "trans" isn't a coherent or consistent group.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

“I’m comfortable welcoming all sorts of people into the bubble of womanhood” but when a man in lipstick tells you he needs you to exclude women who take T in order for him to feel welcomed, who are you going to choose? When he tells you he needs you to redefine womanhood to exclude GNC women who don’t have “gender identities” and only belong in women’s spaces due to being biologically female, who are you going to choose? When you need to speak about female-specific topics, what words will you use when you’ve invited so many people into the “bubble of womanhood” that the word “woman” no longer refers to anything?

It’s just pleasant-sounding nonsense, like Christians trying to shut down conversations about women’s rights by saying “well I personally don’t know what those feminists are so upset about, I’m happy to make family a priority!”

[darklarries]

HOW!!!??? DO PEOPLE???!!!!? DISLIKE!!!!! WOLVES?????????

[twinpoetry]

Well my best friend had a boyfriend in high school who manipulated her and another friend into joining a cult based on the idea that they were all a part of a wolf pack in a past life. So none of us are the biggest fans of wolves anymore. @cutecreative @mypetdragonseyebrow

[darklarries]

this is about a one direction song but sorry about your friend

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

I know this is a decade old but. They blamed that on the wolves??

[koiagain]

the world cup fucking sucks Most of these men are rapists and when men watching this shit don’t get their way they take it out on women I hate it so much fuckass game it stands for everything i Hate : misogyny celebrities and political distractions

[dwinkus]

peasant visionary: & then it stood before me, a towering wheel of flame that beheld me with 10,000 shimmering eyes!

me: idk man it still sounds like an ocular migraine

peasant visionary: #MyGrain

[p0pipos]

god, the men you put on this earth to....uh...(remembers men have no purpose) ...hmm. well anyway, they're prancing around calling themselves lesbians

[madwomxxn]

The tide is turning 🖤

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

don’t put too much stock in one-sided comment sections though because algorithms will often just show certain content to people who already agree with it. there are equally one-sided genderist parts of tiktok too. it’s really hard to say whether any overall change is happening just by looking at social media

[madwomxxn]

I said the tide is turning because there was a time when you could never find posts like this on social media without an insane amount of backlash and vitriolic hate. Now I see them popping up more and more often, with tons of support from other lesbians who have been sick of this shit for many years. Her post is gaining even more traction now with thousands of people liking comments that support her. >5 years ago I never saw anything like this anywhere

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

I see what you mean and I agree to some extent, but I also fear that it could just be a result of social media echo chambers forming more effectively. Thousands isn’t very many out of the billions of accounts on tiktok.

[madwomxxn]

Thousands is a lot when you consider how small the lesbian community is and how much violent pushback we've been facing for years for daring to post content like this

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

Even if only 1% of the female users on that app are SSA that’s still upwards of 10 million. If one thousand of them support a post that’s one out of every ten thousand—which is .01% of that population.

Those are just estimates but you get the point. This might reflect IRL changes or it might just be that tiktok has more tailored algorithms and less censorship/moderation

[wtf-is-hockey]

[Screenshot]

Oooooh so when a lesbian believes it’s inevitable she’ll end up with a man or that she could only seriously be in a relationship with a man it’s called “compulsory heterosexuality” and it makes you a victim of patriarchy and heteronormativity but when a bi woman believes the same thing she’s “culturally straight” and “fetishizing her own queer attraction.” Got it got it got it got it. So glad to finally understand why other queer people don’t take bi women seriously.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

why are these homosexuals so desperate to feel like the REAL victims of every bi woman’s feelings about HERSELF

[wtf-is-hockey]

Die terf.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

Die, misogynistic piece of shit.

[wtf-is-hockey]

[Screenshot]

Oooooh so when a lesbian believes it’s inevitable she’ll end up with a man or that she could only seriously be in a relationship with a man it’s called “compulsory heterosexuality” and it makes you a victim of patriarchy and heteronormativity but when a bi woman believes the same thing she’s “culturally straight” and “fetishizing her own queer attraction.” Got it got it got it got it. So glad to finally understand why other queer people don’t take bi women seriously.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

why are these homosexuals so desperate to feel like the REAL victims of every bi woman’s feelings about HERSELF

[madwomxxn]

The tide is turning 🖤

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

don’t put too much stock in one-sided comment sections though because algorithms will often just show certain content to people who already agree with it. there are equally one-sided genderist parts of tiktok too. it’s really hard to say whether any overall change is happening just by looking at social media

[madwomxxn]

I said the tide is turning because there was a time when you could never find posts like this on social media without an insane amount of backlash and vitriolic hate. Now I see them popping up more and more often, with tons of support from other lesbians who have been sick of this shit for many years. Her post is gaining even more traction now with thousands of people liking comments that support her. >5 years ago I never saw anything like this anywhere

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

I see what you mean and I agree to some extent, but I also fear that it could just be a result of social media echo chambers forming more effectively. Thousands isn’t very many out of the billions of accounts on tiktok.

[plaidandpleather]

Here is a position that, for some reason, really triggers some people (usually men).

It goes like this:

Women being trafficked and forced into prostitution is an atrocity and should be stopped - at this point everyone is still in agreement.

What happens to them is rape - everyone pretty much agrees with this still.

And then: If there are EXTREMELY OBVIOUS warning signs that the prostitute in question is likely a victim of trafficking*, every single john who had sex with her anyway should be prosecuted for rape.

So many people froth at the mouth at the mere suggestion. They get furious if you suggest that this should be the law. But I think nothing could be more reasonable. Trafficking and forced prostitution flourishes because "normal" johns do not care if the prostitute they are paying is there voluntarily. They do not have to care (unless, maybe, if she is underage). Nothing will happen to him.

I say: Make johns deathly afraid of a prostitute possibly being trafficked. I want it to ruin lives to rape a woman who is clearly being forced to prostitute herself.

But no, apparently that's a horrible and hateful stance to have.

*and I am talking about basic, very obvious things like: cannot name the city she is in (yes, when German police broke up one of the repulsive "mega brothels", they said that many of the young women did not know the city they were in), cannot communicate with you in a shared language, CRIES, is or has recently been injured in some way

[plaidandpleather]

#I’m sorry but that “extremely obvious” part just doesn’t sit right with me#every man should be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked woman

I agree that all johns are rapists. This is a kind of argument I like to make with people for two reasons:

It is VERY common and according to German senior detective superintendent Helmut Sporer, who has been investigating the field for decades, applies to "hundreds of thousands" of women in Germany. The extremely obvious signs are more common than NOT.

The person you are talking to cannot argue that these men are ignorant. It's genuinely SO obvious that these women are being trafficked that you cannot argue these john aren't wilfully accepting it. German law is extremely permissive, but it is clear that the legal concept of "billigend in Kauf nehmen"* does applies here. (*this is important in German law for proving criminal intent: The perpetrator is aware a consequence is possible and accepts it indifferently even if the consequence is not their goal. If that is the case, German courts treat it as INTENTIONAL and not negligence.)

There is no good reason why anyone should be against this specific argument and why these prosecutions should not happen under literally the current German law. That's why it is so telling when it makes men so angry.