Fresh Takes from Beyond

Currating the most unfathomable discourse fished from the micro-community annals of Tumblr.

[discourse-you-cant-fathom]

Discourse you can't fathom

Reblogs are not intended to harass Original Posters.

The blog is an absurdist, digital museum that collects meta commentary about fandom, online culture, identity politics, and other forms of "discourse" to throw stones at only the concept there exists such passionate dialogue about niche topics-- topics that range from tame yet strange to deranged and degenerate.

The only submission and rb rules are:

Posts have to be explicitly discourse, online meta commentary, or at least imply or "vague" an oppositional view point

They must have an element of "touch grass". In other words, the posts cannot contain discourse that matters outside of micro-communities.

They are generally absurd

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[suggestrogen-deactivated2025121]

Hi! Below is a post a friend of mine wrote, but was too afraid, understandably to post. I've offered to use my platform to share it.

Before I say anything, this post is for those of you who defend other trans women to your very last, women like kinky-robot-girl, Patricia Taxxon, isuggestforcefem, sailatina (sailor-crusader), all the ageplaying transfems on this site who get nuked multiple times a day, etc.. Despite all this support and rhetoric, which I love to see, I do not think many of you are really willing to fully acknowledge that thought-crimes are not real in the case of people attracted to children. For us all to be free, we can leave no one behind, and that includes pedophiles whether you like it or not. The word 'pedophile' does not imply action of any kind, it is merely a descriptor. People will say 'pedophile' and mean 'child abuser'. This is stupid and wrong, those terms are entirely separate. If you conflate those two terms to mean the same thing, you might as well say that 'trans woman' is synonymous with 'misogynystic rapist', which I don't think I have to explain to you the wrongness of.

I ought to make something clear, I am a trans woman, an ageplayer, a victim of *real* CSA, and I am attracted to adults. With this being told, I want it understood that I, happily, am friends with several pedophiles, and I know for certain they would never hurt an actual child. Now, sure, I imagine many of you would be willing to acknowledge such a thing in your own lives when pressed. However, just this acknowledgment is not the important part here. The important part is to not treat the pedophiles you love, and the pedophiles in this community, as disposable the moment they, or you, are accused of something heinous; be proud to be friends with a pedophile. Defend them. Be proud such a person trusts you with that knowledge. Something you need to be able to do is to say a sentence like "no one is free until we all are, and that includes people who are attracted to children" without immediately quantifying it with "and that does not condone fucking literal children" that second part should be understood implicitly. When a trans woman says she has a rape/noncon kink, do you think she actually wants to rape someone, or is inciting literal rape towards herself? No, I don't think you do. Why, then, do you not apply the same rational logic to pedophiles?

I am fully willing to say that I have age regressed and subsequently engaged in play with a pedophile whom I love. This does not make me a victim of any kind. It does not make her a predator of any kind. It makes us two consenting adults, engaging in activity we consented to of our own free will. I am close friends with a particular trans woman. I am close friends with a particular pedophile. These statements are entirely separate things. And don't make me fucking say that I know not all trans women are pedophiles. If that was a thought you had while reading this, fuck you. Anyways, one of those statements does not necessitate the other, even remotely. I know all too well that as trans women, speaking up on a subject such as this is an extremely hard thing to do. Harassment fucking sucks, believe me, I know. But I refuse to bend to it, as should you. I refuse to shrink in the face of those who would isolate and kill a friend of mine for the attraction she experiences. Such a type of attraction is just a thing that happens. Are we gonna cast out and isolate the trans women we claim to unwaveringly support for their intrusive thoughts? I would never and neither should you. The moment we let bigots, terfs, tMRAs, transandrobros, and any other anti-transfem hate group isolate one type of trans woman from the rest of our community, we have already lost. Be a safe person for ALL transfems.

[maknaasfalti]

[discourse-you-cant-fathom]

OP you are breathtaking in your thoughtless degeneracy.

[learn-how-to-love]

^This is butchphobia and exorsexism btw. Genderqueer lesboys have been a part of the community for far longer than any of these folks have been alive and if you don’t like it YOU’RE the problem, full stop.

[the-jason-todd-impreganator]

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[swannybenny]

Honestly I think that there is an issue in the description.

There's a difference between, my straight and extremely passing full bearded boyfriend and a genderqueer butch lesbian boy.

I feel like one of them belongs in a lesbian space and the other doesn't but we don't really have a good way of differentiating between the two in casual speech.

[learn-how-to-love]

No I said what I mean and both can be in a lesbian space if they wanna.

[swannybenny]

Why are cis men not allowed then

Ngl this feels like sex essentialism with extra step.

Most trans men are men just like the others and that includes that they can leverage patriarchy and this includes that their manness can sometimes exclude them from things created for non men.

[learn-how-to-love]

When did I say cis men aren’t allowed? If a cis man genuinely and sincerely identifies as a lesbian then that’s fine. The only person being essentialist here is you.

[macabreafterparty]

Just a reminder being the one penetrated during sex does not make one submissive, lesser, or inequal in a relationship. Especially if it's a gay relationship. While it's true no one has to have the defining Top/bottom dynamics in a partnership. It's okay if they do. It's okay if the big is the top and the small is the bottom. It's okay if the older is top and younger is bottom.

When did being a bottom mean weak? When did being the penetrator mean power? That's such a skewed sense of sex.

I've been seeing this a lot in the tomarry/harrymort fandom and it's absolutely okay to have Harry be top or them be switchers. But there's a lot of people who bully bottom Harry blogs.

Bottom DOES NOT equal weak. Penetrating is not a sign of power.

Everyone has headcanons, every has top/bottom preferences. Everyone's preferences can be the opposite of yours.

If you can't handle that? Go fuck yourself then.

[dieletztepanzerhexe]

feeder fetishist is disgusted by unethical and politically problematic practitioners of his repulsive fetish

oh he has more serious opinions

oh he's worried about lack of positive portrayals of his degenerate fetish in pop culture! this is literal violence and early stages of a genocide

for comparison his regular content

[rulez-of-disorder]

this might be a hot take but Hannibal is in my opinion a very vegetarian and vegan-friendly show. this is because it problematises the unequal position non-human animals have in our society compared to humans. as a non-meat eater, I appreciate this very much.

[pumpumdemsugah]

This trend of tumblr white queers once again bringing up white supremacy and colonialism when people are being critical of something they like has spread to fetishes and all the things they like, it's conveniently radical and require no new effort.

People think your piss fetish is disgusting because it's piss, while colonialists used disgust against the global south and its people to justify genocide, ethnic cleaning, rape and slavery. Isn't it interesting that the more online white queers call things colonialism or white supremacy, they have the tendency to avoid talking about what it entailed and hyperfocus on ideas removed from it's context. Remove disgust from the context of ethnic cleansing and the white man's burden and focus on how it impacts white them. Almost like they would sound ridiculous to boil down something being colonialist by making a weak link of disgust and employing colonialism as shield that the poorly read shutins on here will eat up.

The white people that make these tumblr viral posts always always have call-outs about scamming, abuse, etc follow. Who would have thought such a self-centred argument would be made by a self-centred person with massive issues??

[eggy-edits]

Hey can you do rudefem Bluey, Bingo, and Chilli Heeler please?

Bluey, Bingo, and Chili Heeler from Bluey are radical feminists!

[garden-beneath-lovers]

[anti-lies]

Attention: After Talking to Another Real System, I've Come to Believe That the Endo Community is Being Infiltrated and Controlled by CIA Operatives

I need everyone to be aware and be vigilant because the threat is real. The endogenic community was invented to divide us and keep us distracted.

Having combed over several big potential CIA operatives, I've narrowed the field down to four possibilities. Remember that any or all of these could be CIA operatives, but I'm certain at least one has to be.

Possible CIA plants

@guardianssystem: This system claims to be a pro-endo "traumagenic" system as a way to give themselves authority. They have activity across multiple websites including TikTok and X. They're notable for compiling this document of "sources" to prove endos exist. This document is everywhere. It has suspiciously become the main compilation of endo sources that they love to link to at every turn.

@cambriancrew: They're a tulpa "system" who runs r/tulpas. For anyone who doesn't know, "tulpamancy" is essentially a form of brainwashing. Tulpamancers say they can change a person's brain to give them headmates, and they've convinced multiple "doctors" to back them. All of this sounds like MK Ultra stuff. Cambrian Crew, besides being an outspoken endo, appears to be well connected, and used those connections to help organize an AMA on r/tulpas. In this AMA, their CIA-paid doctors claimed to have conducted brain scans on tulpamancers that showed changes in brain activity when their tulpas were possessing limbs.

@sysmedsaresexist: A nefarious saboteur, Sysmedsaresexist posed as a prominent anti-endo voice for YEARS, building up a massive anti endo following on this site. Between their SysmedsAreSexist and JustAnotherSyscourse blogs, they practically single-handedly ran the "#shit endos say" tag dedicated to mocking endos. But then all of a sudden, they turn? And like CambrianCrew, SysmedsAreSexist appears to have a close relationship to "doctors," posting a screenshot of an email from Colin Ross, an expert in DID, that appears to support the existence of endogenic systems. All of this looks like a years-long psyop to gain people's trust and convert them.

@sophieinwonderland: Finally, that brings us to Sophie, another tulpa "system." She also has her own page filled with endo "sources" though not as detailed or widely disseminated as Guardians'. The more I looked into this one, the more disturbed I became. Sophie is, as far as I can tell, the system who started "The Future is Plural," the mass movement which we all know seeks to traumatize children en masse and give them dissociative disorders. She also openly brags about teaching people methods to dissociate and hallucinate, says that she believes she can rewire people's brains, and cheerfully is arguing in favor of propaganda.

Please, whatever you do, do not engage with these people. Not only to avoid harassing them, but because if they are indeed CIA operatives, it may not be safe to do so directly. I may be putting myself at risk just by talking about this aloud, and I believe they're already trying to discredit me, but I feel someone has to talk about this.

Community input in finding the spies is incredibly important.

Knowing all of the facts, I'd like to know who you all think is most likely a CIA operative.

Who do you think is most likely to be a CIA operative???

Guardianssystem

CambrianCrew

Sysmedsaresexist

Sophieinwonderland

Someone Else (Explain in Comments)

Voting ended onMay 30, 2024

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ID: A flag with eight horizontal stripes, all the same size. The colors are darker at the edges and lighter at the fourth stripe. They are, from top to bottom, dark faded violet, dark faded fuchsia, peach-tan, pale yellow, white, peach, pink, and red. END ID

Warrosebedhottic: A gender related to the hottake that there’s more reason for Warrant’s Bed of Roses to exist than Bon Jovi’s

To explain a little further, I don’t necessarily think Warrant’s is better, I’m honestly not sure. But I haven’t heard anything that sounds a lot like theirs and I think it’s a pretty unique concept for a love song, but with Bon Jovi’s, you can listen to their I’ll Be There For You or November Rain and get better versions of pretty much everything they were trying to do. So not definitely better, but there was more reason for Warrant to do theirs (also it was first, which doesn’t have any bearing here, but I still think it’s interesting.)

The colors are inspired by my associations with the related songs

For anon!

No suggested pronouns

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ID: A flag with nine horizontal stripes, all the same size. They colors are, from top to bottom, maroon-gray, red-gray, light red-gray, very light gray, white, very light gray, sky blue-gray, denim-gray, and navy-gray. END ID

BonFourviHottic: A gender related to the hottake that there are only four Bon Jovi albums worth listening, either as a general idea or any specific four

The colors are inspired by the Bonjender flag

No suggested pronouns

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ID: A flag with seven horizontal stripes, all the same size. The colors are, from top to bottom, maroon-gray, denim-gray, light sky blue-gray, off white, peach-gray, red-gray, and navy-gray. END ID

BonDerivativehottic: A gender related to the hottake that Bon Jovi is more derivative than most ever point out/seem to realize

The colors come from the Bonjender flag

For anon!

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ID: A flag with seven vertical stripes, all the same size. The colors are, from left to right, maroon-gray, denim-gray, light sky blue-gray, off white, peach-gray, red-gray, and navy-gray. END ID

BJderivativehottic: A gender related to the hottake that Bon Jovi is pretty derivative

The colors come from the Bonjender flag. We’ll see how many more ways I can make this color pallet interesting

For anon!

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ID: A flag with nine vertical stripes, all the same size. The colors are, from left to right, dark washed-out indigo, faded cool purple, faded magenta, peach pink, white, faded cyan, faded sky blue, faded indigo, and dark violet. END ID

BonJanihottic: A gender related to the hottake that Jani Lane’s voice held up better than Jon Bon Jovi’s voice, even (and even especially) in comparisons where it’s a fair competition. For example, Jani Lane’s performance on Sin-Atra from 2011, the year he turned 47, vs. Jon Bon Jovi’s performance on any given song on The Circle from 2009, the year he turned 47.

The colors come from my associations with Jani Lane and Jon Bon Jovi

For anon

[http-hoshi]

THIS IS A WILD TAKE WTF

[http-hoshi]

THIS IS A WILD TAKE WTF