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what if i drew the famous ‘hey friend lets see those molars’ wr1ghtw0rth fanart as cykesquill (b/c athena and simon are literally phoenix and miles in a different font, narratively speaking) and captioned it ‘when my uncle wants to get a good look at my molars’
Ace attorney fandom : *sees a cute fanart of a heterosexual ship*
You WHAT
It makes me sad when I look at Ace Attorney fandom stuff from 10-15 years ago and see how much more comparatively chill and accepting they were of different ships from the most popular ones back then. It wasn’t perfect or free of discourse, obviously, but at least fans could mostly get away with shipping that stuff without getting called horrible people, unlike today where the Ace Attorney fandom is determined to bully anyone who dare ship the Unacceptable Stuff™️ out of the fandom (ESPECIALLY on aatwt my goodness). I know this isn’t just me because I’ve seen even certain older fans note this and say stuff like “Wow I’ve been in the Ace Attorney fandom for years and back then there used to be so many Narumayos and ppl who shipped so-and-so in het I’m so glad these are no longer acceptable we’ve come so far” WRONG. The fandom has turned into a hivemind who think it’s acceptable to unperson others over ships and will sooner sympathize with one who harasses another over a Bad Ship than the one getting harassed because how dare they ship outside the sacred stuff. You really think it’s a good thing the AA fandom environment has gotten tyrannical about what you’re allowed to ship? Old Ace Attorney Shipping Fandom was FAR from perfect, but if your reasons for why it was bad or worse than now are “ships I dislike were allowed to exist” hoooooo boy.
Well said. Back in the days, i feel like internet was also a different kind of place. You could be cringe and ship whatever you want without nobody telling you what to do. Performative activism wasn't at its peak yet : now if you like a hetero ship you are probably homophobic (no joke, i've seen ppl calling narumayo and shippers homophobic on twitter)
Same goes to cykesquill while aurametis is depicted as superior : "why would you ship this when you can ship this???" Oh i don't know, maybe because we are all different? maybe the world doesn't have to cater to your likes? maybe it's time TO GO OUTSIDE and see how is the ✨️real world✨️
ships dont have to be that serious... but it's true that the aa fandom has a lot of ppl worshipping harassers over harmless ships. I think this is important to voice it.
Moon dance 🌕✨
Hey ace attorney community,
I'm still baffled that nobody points out how toxic this attitude is.
Just imagine going aroung telling ppl "oh noes u follow an artist that ship smth I personally dislike!!!" Just HOW entitled you can be?? Maybe people can follow artists for their art without being obsessed over silly ship wars???
This is honestly such a red flag 🚩 they absolutely want to control who you should follow (especially when its just harmless artists shipping harmless ships)... ppl like this are no gift, you will live better without them.
Ultimately, I believe ace attorney is a tale about love. How far are you willing to go for the people you love? But also, how far are you going to fall for them? Most of this love is platonic, not even romantic in nature / could or could not be seen as such, but really the crux of the matter is that regardless, it all stems from a place of deep affection and/or adoration. Phoenix both became a better person but sacrificed and risked so much because of love, even compromising his integrity and morality at some point. First love for his lost friend, then love for a girl who made him feel adored, then love for his lost mentor and her sister which he couldn't leave alone, then love for a child he needed to provide for. Miles completely and utterly destroyed himself but later glued back the pieces together in order to become better because he felt guilty for his beloved father's death, and later felt guilty for disgracing his legacy. But also his love for his friends and family gave him courage to make himself better. He charters private jets at the drop of an hat and surrenders his badge and breaks the law if need be. Franziska's love for her father made her ruthless and amoral, but her love for her little brother made her a better person. She assists in his and Phoenix's absurd plan to play at defense attorney, helps save Maya, then assists Miles in his cause for Kay. Lana's love for her sister made her throw her morals out the window, ruining the life of many people. But her love for her little sister also made her realize her mistakes and atone for them. Iris loved her sister despite it all and that corrupted her into betrayal, but she also loved Phoenix, and that gave her the courage to realize her mistakes and atone for them. Love is the reason for most plot points - it leads the storyline. It can cause both positive and negative outcomes and I really appreciate the realism in that. The characters truly care for each other, there's just so much love in AA.
It's not pedophilia or inherently predatory to ship an adult woman character with an older adult male character.
It just isn't.
You can be grossed out about it all you like, and you don't have to ship it.
No one is saying you have to like age gaps.
But every time you call it "pedophilia" or "illegal" what you are doing is you are infantalizing adult women and removing them of their legal and social agency.
Calling an adult woman being shipped with an older man inherently predatory is misogynistic.
This !
"Athena is only 19 her brain cannot process fully yet she's only a teenager, she cannot have a relationship with someone too much older because of power imbalance "
Some of you seem to forget that this 19 years old "teenager" is already investigating CRIME SCENES and actually WORKS AS BOTH LAWYER AND PSYCHOLOGIST?? 😭😭 you cannot even compare yourself with her... they completely erase what makes Athena such a reliable and strong willed character.
They will obsess over her age to to hate on a ship but they will never point out if she's actually "old enough" to investigate murders and doing psychological analysis of potential killers 🤨
It's not pedophilia or inherently predatory to ship an adult woman character with an older adult male character.
It just isn't.
You can be grossed out about it all you like, and you don't have to ship it.
No one is saying you have to like age gaps.
But every time you call it "pedophilia" or "illegal" what you are doing is you are infantalizing adult women and removing them of their legal and social agency.
Calling an adult woman being shipped with an older man inherently predatory is misogynistic.
This !
"Athena is only 19 her brain cannot process fully yet she's only a teenager, she cannot have a relationship with someone too much older because of power imbalance "
Some of you seem to forget that this 19 years old "teenager" is already investigating CRIME SCENES and actually WORKS AS BOTH LAWYER AND PSYCHOLOGIST?? 😭😭 you cannot even compare yourself with her... they completely erase what makes Athena such a reliable and strong willed character.
They will obsess over her age to to hate on a ship but they will never point out if she's actually "old enough" to investigate murders and doing psychological analysis of potential killers 🤨
(me searching through fics) oh wow! this author is really talented! i can’t wait to check out their other w- (just saw that they ship cykesquill and is now currently yelling and screaming and kicking and biting)
Who is this author? Name so i can support them for having good taste :)
Who do I have to pay/kill/fuck to get some Simon x Athena romantic fics written.
Am I seriously the only person on the entire fucking internet that sees that they are more than just friends
cue 500 idiots crawling out of the woodwork to call me a pedophile because their Planck Length brains can't understand that a person who has spent seven years in prison waiting to die and a person who spent those seven years doing a law/psych degree speedrun on the other side of the planet; Could maybe, JUST MAYBE see each other differently then when they saw each other seven years prior.
The aa fandom is indeed full of braindead ppl lol. And nope you are not the only one ✨️💪i remember finding good cykesquill fanfics but those are not recent.
Manipulation tip : how antis try to force their interpretation of canon relationships on others
The narumayo / cykesquill “they’re siblings” argument from antis only works because the games show that the two of them deeply care for each other.
Let’s be clear: if you consider them having a siblings relationship but don’t associate with antis’ harassment towards shippers, this post is NOT about you. In fact, some of you agree that harassment over fictional ships is not okay and denounce the hypocrisy of people going after shippers for false reasons. Thanks to you, that fandom is not fully toxic *thumbs up*
However, there are too many who FORCE their “siblings headcanon” as the only way to go, by labelling shippers as “incest freaks” (when it’s not “pedo freaks” because yeah you know, they can’t stand age gaps but got no problem playing aa games having a sh*t ton of canon couples being +7 years apart 🤡🤡🤡).
Don’t even start me on that one, because “pedo freak” is the most common used despite the characters already being both adults :) thanks for trivializing such a horrific act and watering down the word. You give zero f*cks to actual CSA survivors.
As for the “incest freak” insult, some antis would leave replies on obvious shipping fanarts, trying to twist it into “family love” when they could just say “this is a deep bond of friendship” (which would be even CLOSER to canon since they never mentioned feeling like siblings ingame??).
So why do antis try so hard with that siblings thing and get so defensive about it ??
Well, 3 reasons:
It allows them to bring the false “incest” argument into discussion and justify their disgust + why being aggressive towards shippers.
It gives them the chance to comment about canon wholesome relationships while erasing our freedom of interpretation. They are basically trying to rewrite the game to suit their narrative!
They are afraid of being cancelled by their abusive “friends”.
The 2nd reason is actually a good manipulation tip to gain the attention of fans who ship or COULD ship them since their chemistry make the games very enjoyable. Instead of ignoring it, they try to control how they should be perceived.
Unfortunately this manipulation tip works along being an a-hole to people over ships and kicking some out of zines. (Yes it happened. Remember to not support @/foodcourtzine and @/prosecutorzine).
Conclusion? Don’t associate with people putting fictional ships over IRL people. One interpretation/ headcanon doesn’t prevail. AA games give us enough food for many MANY ships. You are not forced to love them all and befriend shippers but treat them with basic respect. Putting pressure over ships doesn’t make you woke or cool. In fact, it does reveal a lot about your toxic traits. Don’t be surprised if some friends notice and start leaving you for others.
I’m NaruMitsu all the way, but everything in this post is accurate. Reblogging in solidarity, y'all don’t deserve this bullshit, and liking Phoenix and Maya as a couple is 100% normal. I’m so sorry people are so messed up that they feel like they need to harass you for it.
At first glance you may think I'm a Narumayo shipper... but I actually love Narumitsu more. Give me prosecutor x defense attorney + good chemistry + helping each other despite being on the opposite side and i'm sold lol
I absolutely love that rivalry dynamic with both of them testing each other only to bring the best of them. Edgey learning how to trust again thanks to Phoenix. Phoenix having support from the best prosecutor out there... yeah I'm a big sucker for good development character.
Antis made me so angry with their utter BS that I had to defend narumayo shippers from all the hate. Despite all my love for narumitsu I really cannot stand injustices and lies coming from their fans.
Rip and good luck 🤣
Manipulation tip : how antis try to force their interpretation of canon relationships on others
The narumayo / cykesquill “they’re siblings” argument from antis only works because the games show that the two of them deeply care for each other.
Let’s be clear: if you consider them having a siblings relationship but don’t associate with antis’ harassment towards shippers, this post is NOT about you. In fact, some of you agree that harassment over fictional ships is not okay and denounce the hypocrisy of people going after shippers for false reasons. Thanks to you, that fandom is not fully toxic *thumbs up*
However, there are too many who FORCE their “siblings headcanon” as the only way to go, by labelling shippers as “incest freaks” (when it’s not “pedo freaks” because yeah you know, they can’t stand age gaps but got no problem playing aa games having a sh*t ton of canon couples being +7 years apart 🤡🤡🤡).
Don’t even start me on that one, because “pedo freak” is the most common used despite the characters already being both adults :) thanks for trivializing such a horrific act and watering down the word. You give zero f*cks to actual CSA survivors.
As for the “incest freak” insult, some antis would leave replies on obvious shipping fanarts, trying to twist it into “family love” when they could just say “this is a deep bond of friendship” (which would be even CLOSER to canon since they never mentioned feeling like siblings ingame??).
So why do antis try so hard with that siblings thing and get so defensive about it ??
Well, 3 reasons:
It allows them to bring the false “incest” argument into discussion and justify their disgust + why being aggressive towards shippers.
It gives them the chance to comment about canon wholesome relationships while erasing our freedom of interpretation. They are basically trying to rewrite the game to suit their narrative!
They are afraid of being cancelled by their abusive “friends”.
The 2nd reason is actually a good manipulation tip to gain the attention of fans who ship or COULD ship them since their chemistry make the games very enjoyable. Instead of ignoring it, they try to control how they should be perceived.
Unfortunately this manipulation tip works along being an a-hole to people over ships and kicking some out of zines. (Yes it happened. Remember to not support @/foodcourtzine and @/prosecutorzine).
Conclusion? Don’t associate with people putting fictional ships over IRL people. One interpretation/ headcanon doesn’t prevail. AA games give us enough food for many MANY ships. You are not forced to love them all and befriend shippers but treat them with basic respect. Putting pressure over ships doesn’t make you woke or cool. In fact, it does reveal a lot about your toxic traits. Don’t be surprised if some friends notice and start leaving you for others.
Well I feel personally attacked! /j Honestly harassment isn’t cool especially towards shipping. I dislike Cykesquill because Simon and Athena are siblings to me and Simon knew Athena when she was 11, a minor. That being said I know that most Cykesquill shippers disagree and that’s fine. I have read a couple of really good Cykesquill stories and I enjoyed them. I still do dislike the ship though.
Lol don't feel attacked if you have never supported kicking out ppl over fictional ships. Honestly i used to dislike narumayo too bc they gave me more strong platonic vibes. As for cykesquill, i found their chemistry and rivalry in court very appealing (like for klapollo and narumitsu). I read stories in which blackquill is slowly developing feelings for her once he finally realizes how strong and reliable she became..... so i fail to see how ppl dare to assume "u support grooming!!11!" Grooming would imply that blackquill was interested in her since their first encounter and manipulated her while she was 11. I wonder exactly why and how do they believe that simon would be able to do a such disgusting, immoral thing??
Again! There is no problems with disliking the ship and being uncomfortable around some. Age gaps used to irk me! Just... we shouldnt assume things bc others see no problem with fictional ships. Like you, i can read some stories with my notp on it, without getting mad and cursing at shippers.
Manipulation tip : how antis try to force their interpretation of canon relationships on others
The narumayo / cykesquill "they're siblings" argument from antis only works because the games show that the two of them deeply care for each other.
Let’s be clear: if you consider them having a siblings relationship but don’t associate with antis’ harassment towards shippers, this post is NOT about you. In fact, some of you agree that harassment over fictional ships is not okay and denounce the hypocrisy of people going after shippers for false reasons. Thanks to you, that fandom is not fully toxic *thumbs up*
However, there are too many who FORCE their “siblings headcanon” as the only way to go, by labelling shippers as "incest freaks" (when it's not "pedo freaks" because yeah you know, they can't stand age gaps but got no problem playing aa games having a sh*t ton of canon couples being +7 years apart 🤡🤡🤡).
Don’t even start me on that one, because “pedo freak” is the most common used despite the characters already being both adults :) thanks for trivializing such a horrific act and watering down the word. You give zero f*cks to actual CSA survivors.
As for the “incest freak” insult, some antis would leave replies on obvious shipping fanarts, trying to twist it into "family love" when they could just say "this is a deep bond of friendship" (which would be even CLOSER to canon since they never mentioned feeling like siblings ingame??).
So why do antis try so hard with that siblings thing and get so defensive about it ??
Well, 3 reasons:
It allows them to bring the false "incest" argument into discussion and justify their disgust + why being aggressive towards shippers.
It gives them the chance to comment about canon wholesome relationships while erasing our freedom of interpretation. They are basically trying to rewrite the game to suit their narrative!
They are afraid of being cancelled by their abusive “friends”.
The 2nd reason is actually a good manipulation tip to gain the attention of fans who ship or COULD ship them since their chemistry make the games very enjoyable. Instead of ignoring it, they try to control how they should be perceived.
Unfortunately this manipulation tip works along being an a-hole to people over ships and kicking some out of zines. (Yes it happened. Remember to not support @/foodcourtzine and @/prosecutorzine).
Conclusion? Don’t associate with people putting fictional ships over IRL people. One interpretation/ headcanon doesn’t prevail. AA games give us enough food for many MANY ships. You are not forced to love them all and befriend shippers but treat them with basic respect. Putting pressure over ships doesn’t make you woke or cool. In fact, it does reveal a lot about your toxic traits. Don’t be surprised if some friends notice and start leaving you for others.
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