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also! the writing of hotd suffers from a severe racism problem given how they've treated baela, corlys even but especially rhaena and I say that with my full chest!
they've ruined everything about her character that even part of the fandom is turning against her, calling her stupid and that she should've died with jace given her choice of fighting in the battle of the gullet and it's not even fucking canon the book! rhaena is depicted as a young woman who's adored and gentle, kind hearted even. she holds for the finest of jewelery and clothing, being the dragon rider of her beautiful, pink dragon: morning. and yet, they've gone ahead and ruined her character and entire arc in the show, they've single handedly fucked up so badly.
it's such a shameful, disrespectful and racist mess.
Posing Elia, the woman who was sexually assaulted, had to watch her babies being murdered in the most horrific way before being brutally killed herself, and Lyanna, the teenager girl who was locked up in a tower, pregnant, while her father and brother perished painfully, as active players in their own suffering to save face for the man truly responsible for all of that?!!! Everyday I'm convinced ASOIAF's adaptations cannot get worse and everyday they prove me wrong.
I read something that genuinely made me sick to my stomach about A Song of Ice and Fire, specifically about Robertâs rebellion. It was a play about the Mad King.
It is said that the play is under Georgeâs supervision. I did not care about the prophecies in it or the fact that Daenerys appears in Rhaegarâs dreams with her dragons; she is one of the most important characters in the story and has a major role, so that makes sense.
But what bothered me was the disgusting justification of Rhaegarâs actions.
And the claim that Lyanna was communicating with him through the same dreams about the Song of Ice and Fire, as if she was willingly accepting this relationship.
What is even worse is the claim that Elia accepted this relationship and did not object to it.
So, in the end, neither Lyanna nor Elia are victims, and they do not deserve sympathy for what happened to them, because they supposedly created and chose this fate themselves. As if Rhaegar was the innocent, dreamy man with pure intentions who deserved love, while the women should simply bear the consequences of his decisions.
If these events are canon and appear in the next book, then I have to say how disappointed I would be in George.
The blatant misunderstanding of why fans are pissed off at certain spoilers bothers me.
Rhaella being bitter after years of abuse is not the issue. The issue is her abusing her small son over her evil husband, while the evil husband is portrayed as the loving, protective parent to Viserys. And she's racist, too?????
Lyanna having a will of her own is not an issue. The issue is her acting downright insane for a prophecy it wasn't ever even hinted she was into in the books. By all accounts her motivation was supposed to be escaping Robert and infatuation with Rhaegar.
Elia playing the game of thrones isn't the issue. The issue is her playing it in a way that does not even benefit her, her children, or Dorne, only benefits her husband and others. Just read any Elia-cemtric story, and you will see how much her fans love her playing the games to benefit herself.
Ashara could have a thousand lovers for all I care, but I can't deny its uncomfortably orientalist.
Do I even need to say why hinting Daenerys will go mad pisses her fans off? I'm not even a fan of hers, but I can see why people who are do not like this. Or the fact that she has to share being Azor Ahai with Jon.
These are genuine grievances from people who adore these female characters and A Song of Ice and Fire. It's unkind to dismiss them with the lie that they don't care about anything beyond the female characters being "perfect victims".
Get off your high horse, if these people wanted only perfect characters, they wouldn't be reading this series.
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I actually stayed faithful to the reference but my dress designs suffered a little. I'm still learning
Yeah, I'm just 100% done with ASOIAF at this point.
That Mad King play was the most misogynistic shit ever.
Rhaella, the same woman who hugged her half-Dornish granddaughter while her horrible rapist husband was openly racist, is now racist to her daughter in law & also she's abusive to son who she was canonically stated to have protected & who loved her so dearly he lost his humanity selling away the last thing he had of hers to survive.
Elia, the woman who was raped & murdered because her husband publicly humiliated & abandoned her her for a teenager was in on it & actually contributed to her own downfall, which resulted in the brutal death & the murders of her children.
But Rhaegar is flawless & absolved of all fault.
This man would be a Hozier-level yearner if he fell in love
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Jon Connington must have written the Mad King Play lmao this is Rhaegar's biggest PR campaign in years
"Rhaegar only lost at the Trident because he had a dragon dream mid battle" oh ok
"Elia was fine with Rhaegar taking a second wife and was penpals with Lyanna" oh ok
"Rhaegar crowned Lyanna queen of love and beauty because he had a vision of Dany that transformed into Lyanna" oh ok
I am no one, and in a few years, everything that Iâve written will be forgotten. I donât think people are waiting for me to say something; this is but spilled thoughts that some might relate to. I wouldnât be surprised if more people shared my disgust. It is disgusting. Violent, even.Â
Elia is written as the sweetest character we meet in the entire series; little nuanced, since what we get is from people who remember her fondly, and still, they all agree on everything thatâs said about her. I donât doubt that Elia had a political vein, being the second daughter and dornish, which is exactly why making her so stupid is beyond ridiculous. I am well aware some will say that this isnât racism, but why couldnât she be closer in personality to her book counterpart? In the current political climate, I honestly canât see why that atrocious plot twist and the even worse changes were necessary.Â
Itâs almost comical how afraid George Martin seems to be of recognizing what he did to her in her books. He canât blame his precious boy, so, obviously, Elia must be the architect of her own demise. It was all Eliaâs idea, so it was fine. She wants power but will happily and stupidly do everything to push it away and to put her kids - who she almost died giving birth to - in danger. Itâs a cruel, coward, and poorly written plot. I canât believe the writers did so little research that they didnât know anything about the (racist and misogynistic) discourse surrounding her online.Â
It seems like an overreaction to a fictional thing, and it probably is, which doesnât make it any less upsetting or revolting. I still donât think the play as part of the canon, and only see as valid whatâs on the books - very similar to how I treat Game of Thrones; itâs its own thing -, but Idk. Sad to see.Â
I canât sleep no matter what I do so I am just thought dumpingâŠ
My biggest issue with Eliaâs characterization is that it starts from an interesting premise before collapsing under its own contradictions. I genuinely liked the idea of her supporting Rhaegar in removing Aerys from power. That aligns with House Martellâs interests and gives Elia real political agency. But then the story pushes the âgirlbossâ angle so far that it becomes self-defeating.
Having Elia actively support Rhaegar and Lyannaâs relationship undermines her own stated goals. If her priority is strengthening House Martell, why would she support a situation that threatens her childrenâs future? Aegon may be the eldest son, but Rhaegar has already proven himself willing to disregard his marriage for the sake of prophecy and obsession. He believes his third child is the Prince That Was Promised, so what is stopping him from legitimizing that child, naming Lyanna his queen, and setting Elia aside? A half-rotten onion is still a rotten onion. Once Rhaegar has shown he is willing to abandon one duty, there is little reason for Elia to trust him with the rest.
The story seems aware of this problem, so instead of addressing it, it sidesteps it. Elia is rewritten as someone who never cared for Rhaegar romantically and is instead in love with Ashara. But Ashara herself exists largely as âthe love interest,â making the relationship feel less like a meaningful romance and more like a convenient excuse to remove any emotional conflict. Rather than developing Elia and Asharaâs relationship for its own sake, it mainly serves to make readers more accepting of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
Thereâs also a broader pattern that weakens many of the female characters. The women are written as so relentlessly calculating, ruthless, and âstrongâ that they lose much of their humanity, while the men are softened by comparison. Rhaellaâs desperate desire for a child that is destructive, while Aerys is reframed as simply wanting a child who will bring peace. Rhaegar is the one cautioning Lyanna against becoming consumed by prophecy. Elia becomes an untouchable political mastermind, and Ashara is reduced to an endlessly liberated âgirlbossâ who wants countless lovers.
The problem isnât that these women are ambitious, politically savvy, or morally gray. Those traits can make for fantastic characters. The problem is that the story seems to equate strength with emotional detachment, constant competence, and a rejection of vulnerability. In trying so hard to make its women appear powerful and independent, it strips away much of the softness, insecurity, and emotional complexity that make characters feel like real people. Ironically, that ends up making the male characters seem more grounded and sympathetic than the women, despite the storyâs apparent intentions.
CONCLUSION: Misogyny (and orientalism) will always finds it way. I need strong sleeping pills for when TWOW is released, and perhaps a proper hobbyâŠ.
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GUYS elia is Not a Victim. elia is a Girlboss Lesbian that's why she was totally Okay with almost Dying in painful childbirth Twice to birth her man's prophecy babies and still being humiliated in front of the world because she is Girlboss and Gay and Dornish she is Politically Savvy and Not a Helpless Victim so that's why she encourages her white husband to go have a white bastard with a white woman although she wants power for house martell and knows that westeros is very anti dornish & that the last time a half dornish dude sat the throne his claim was challenged by his white half-brother but guys she does not care about All That because she is Girlboss and Gay and Dornish and did i mention that she is Not an Eternal Victim? yeah very important she is Not an Eternal Victim We Wonnnn yayyyyy #feminism yayyy #girlpower yayyy #gaypocrep đ„ł
Princess Elia Martell of Dorne.
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