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Do you need help here or are you alright on ur own;;; that other person seems like theyre missing your point
im ok thanks for asking! i think the person just left on their own so whatever!! if i helped anyone feel better or at least think about things in a different way then i feel like ive done some good so!! i feel ok :')
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well that sure was a thing
how yall doin tonight
People constantly feel the need to antagonize and degrade teenage girls despite the fact that teenage boys are much more predatory and harmful it’s absolutely ridiculous
Tired of your fucking misogyny
Hey, did you know you all STARTED that discussion because I replied that dmmd is a bl game on a girl’s post? That’s right. You’ve created a problem out of nowhere.
the post that i made had nothing to do with anything that you said, i had no idea that you even existed until you reblogged my post
also this discussion of BL and, more largely speaking, the shaming of women for enjoying pornographic material did not start with you and it will not end with you
It did start with me. I replied, brook made a post. People started to make a problem out of it and it ended up with you.
it seems that you missed my point so let me make it clearer: i meant to say that the larger discussion of BL/its problems/the shaming of women in relation to BL is a discussion that has been going on and off for years and a discussion that has been had by many different people in many different contexts and if you DID understand what i meant and were being deliberately obtuse/legitimately think this is the first discussion that has ever been had about it then what i'm saying is going to blow your mind but it's not and it won't be the last
sometimes minor comments that are made blow up into big discussions because people take legitimate issues with things that are said or even if people literally make something about nothing then at least discussion is being had about an important issue and if you do not want to be involved in the discussion then fine, don't involve yourself with it, but don't halt other people who want to have the discussion themselves
Hey, did you know you all STARTED that discussion because I replied that dmmd is a bl game on a girl’s post? That’s right. You’ve created a problem out of nowhere.
the post that i made had nothing to do with anything that you said, i had no idea that you even existed until you reblogged my post
also this discussion of BL and, more largely speaking, the shaming of women for enjoying pornographic material did not start with you and it will not end with you
I love BL games and I’ve played a whole lot but I’ve never encountered that problem and my friends haven’t either. I’ve never been shamed, I enjoy my porn and I’ve never felt like it’s sexist. I honestly don’t understand your problem.
I don’t think you’re familiar with BL games at all and that’s why you’re literally trying to create a point that makes zero sense. I’ve NEVER met a person who has had problems with it until tumblr started to CREATE a problem out of it.
see what i'm hearing from this is 'neither me nor my friends have ever encountered a thing so it must not exist and people who think that it exists must be wrong and creating a problem out of nothing despite much evidence to the contrary'
just because you don't have the life experience to understand certain issues doesn't mean that everyone else is making a thing out of nothing, like how hard is it to believe that there are just things you haven't seen yet as opposed to thinking that everyone is making a big deal out of nothing?? personal anecdotal evidence is not indicative of a larger trend here i'm sorry
like if you don't understand what is going on here then why are you even in this discussion at all if not to just derail and shut it down, in short i'm glad that you personally have not encountered these things but that doesn't mean no one else has, so please stop trying to silence others because of your lack of knowledge of the situation/its context
thank you for your articulate and well thought out reply. i respect and appreciate your willingness to engage me in a thoughtful and productive debate on our respective differing views
its a bl game
have you ever played a bl game i really wonder that
ever played lucky dog 1? enzai? absolute obedience? hadaka shitsuji? nessa no rakuen? animamundi? togainu no chi?
if you haven’t please don’t even try
i have played togainu no chi and a few you didn't name and know roughly the plots of a few others through friends so yes thank you for asking, i am at least somewhat familiar with BL as a genre
personally i do not play very many BL games because much of the content makes me personally uncomfortable but i will not begrudge anyone else's enjoyment of the genre
if you are uninterested in actually replying to any of my points about the relation between shaming people for liking BL and sexism then please do not talk to me further
(also if you were trying to imply with those images that BL games are trashy/only porn/pointless/etc. then that is absolutely irrelevant to my points/this discussion as i made only one reference to the quality of the works and my main point was not about the quality at all)
i think you proved your point well enough. PLease just ?? let it die?? this wont end i you two keep going back and forth so it'd be wise to be the better man in this situation and just. yeah.
thank you for your input on this situation (this isnt sarcastic i swear!! its hard to convey over the internet ;;) but i think i am able to handle this well enough on my own thanks
woah there okay first of all
if BL was just meant for porn and porn alone then?? it would just be porn?? and people wouldn’t spend lots of time and effort writing distinct and interesting plots and designing characters for them so like. just calling it porn is kind of insulting to writers and artists who spend lots of time creating these universes and stories
and second of all
it does get serious when we are in a culture wherein women are consistently and repeatedly shamed for liking something when they are doing nothing harmful (as long as you realize that BL games are not representative of real gay people and you are aware of how the genre can be fetishizing/enjoy the genre without treating homosexuality as a fetish then you are not harming anyone)
the culture of shaming women for enjoying sexual things like porn and masturbation and sex is a long and storied one and this not entirely recent trend (the term ‘fujoshi’ which literally means ‘rotting girl’ and is a pejorative has been around for many years now) of shaming women for enjoying BL works is just another chapter in it, a part of a larger culture of sexism and controlling women’s sexuality
bl games
thank you for your articulate and well thought out reply. i respect and appreciate your willingness to engage me in a thoughtful and productive debate on our respective differing views
ITS ABOUT TWO FICTIONAL GUYS FUCKING WHAT THE FUCK IS SERIOUS ABOUT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ITS LITERALLY
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THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN ANY WAY OR FORM AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU’RE BEING SHAMED BECAUSE YOU’RE A YAOI FANGIRL YOU NEED TO TAKE A FUCKING GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF AND REALIZE ALL YOURE SAYING IS FUCKING BULLSHIT TO THE EXTREME MAX
I CANT HONESTLY BELIEVE TUMBLR IS THIS STUPID YOURE MAKING A PROBLEM OUT OF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PLEASE GET A BRAIN BECAUSE THAT’S DELUSIONAL AS HELL
BL GAMES ARE MEANT FOR THE PORN THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS PORN SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
woah there okay first of all
if BL was just meant for porn and porn alone then?? it would just be porn?? and people wouldn't spend lots of time and effort writing distinct and interesting plots and designing characters for them so like. just calling it porn is kind of insulting to writers and artists who spend lots of time creating these universes and stories
and second of all
it does get serious when we are in a culture wherein women are consistently and repeatedly shamed for liking something when they are doing nothing harmful (as long as you realize that BL games are not representative of real gay people and you are aware of how the genre can be fetishizing/enjoy the genre without treating homosexuality as a fetish then you are not harming anyone)
the culture of shaming women for enjoying sexual things like porn and masturbation and sex is a long and storied one and this not entirely recent trend (the term 'fujoshi' which literally means 'rotting girl' and is a pejorative has been around for many years now) of shaming women for enjoying BL works is just another chapter in it, a part of a larger culture of sexism and controlling women's sexuality
people fetishizing lesbianism is a thing that exists yes but it doesn’t justify fetishizing gay men
saying that gay men have an advantage over gay women because people call others out for fetishizing them more often is honestly splitting hairs imo, at least in this context, because it’s kind of derailing the issue at hand.
the issue at hand being the fetishizing of gay men
bringing sexism into everything doesnt automatically make your point valid. we’re talking about gay issues here, not women’s issues, and although those are very intertwined things, geting into picky details of which group of queer folks is more oppressed than the other is actually counterproductive in this case
thank you for responding to me in a civil manner!
if you look at my post you will see that i did list the fetishizing of gay men as an issue with BL, so i am certainly not saying that it is not a problem or that it never happens. i certainly agree that it is in no one's best interest to play oppression olympics, and it seems what this debate keeps coming down to is 'do gay men or straight women have more/less privilege' which is not something that is good or even possible to argue because there's not really any right answer to that question
i guess my question then is: what do we do with BL, if hypothetically we could had no limits? like do you want the elimination of BL as a whole, do you want BL to be only created by gay men, do you want certain problematic aspects of BL to be eliminated from the genre while the genre itself can remain, etc, like, how do you propose we solve this problem if we could do anything? in clearer terms i guess my question is: what are your major problems with BL? i legitimately want to know so we can come to something resembling a compromise on this, if not an agreement
and again thank you for actually engaging me on this subject so i can better understand your point of view
You make really smart and insightful and easily digestible posts all the time - I feel guilty sometimes for not engaging with them more, but that's basically because I agree with you, I learn something, or I'm reminded to check my privilege. All of my reblogs would just be like "Yup, this. Got it".
aww thank you i really try hard like ;; it's a dream of mine to be able to spread knowledge and get people to think about things in a different way, like i guess it sounds weird but 'easily digestible' is like the best compliment ive gotten... ive been trying to work on making myself more understandable to a wider group of people when i try and convey my thoughts so that makes me really happy to hear;; thanks so much though ghdjfd you're so nice i don't say it often enough but you're such a cool and supportive person and im so glad youv e been in my life, cries
It's... weird that you're getting flack for comparing the male fetishisation of lesbians to females consuming BL because... your point was that they're not actually comparable? Like, you have two paragraphs saying "It's not valid to compare these things because they're happening in vastly different contexts with different sociological effects". Like, do people not know they're agreeing with you?
god who even knows;; thanks for sticking up for me tho it means a lot
if your response to being called out on being rude/offensive/etc is just to be flippant and rude and have a circlejerk with your followers about how cool and right you are
i just
i understand if you don't want to debate a topic, you are not obligated to do so, but like don't be rude and shit if you arent going to own up to it that's really not cool lmao
i dont really comprehend how comparing men fetishizing gay women to women fetishizing gay men is unrelated seeing as how they are parallels of each other but ok?? im willing to listen i want to hear other points of view as long as other people are willing to actually engage me in a constructive dialogue instead of just like posting irrelevant reaction images and derailing with cutesy sassiness
oh no my post got to the 'edgy' crowd
