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E25: "in minecraft"

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Further reading:

Global Impunity Index 2020: “Getting away with murder” https://cpj.org/reports/2020/10/global-impunity-index-journalist-murders/

Global Impunity Index 2021: “Killers of journalists still get away with murder” https://cpj.org/reports/2021/10/killers-of-journalists-still-get-away-with-murder/

James Delaney’s 2018 thesis: https://www.blockworks.uk/democracy-and-urban-design

Block By Block, a collaboration between UN Habitat and Mojang, builds faithful replicas of architectural proposals created via participatory design: https://www.blockbyblock.org/projects/

The fake news article’s original source tweet: https://twitter.com/FreeDuck5/status/1453523224323510272

Morgan Krakow’s thread about the fake article: https://twitter.com/morgan_krakow/status/1453866420723339265

“Understanding the Mirai botnet” - a postmortem: https://elie.net/publication/understanding-the-mirai-botnet/

TrendMicro white paper “Worm War: the Botnet Battle for IoT Territory”: https://documents.trendmicro.com/assets/white_papers/wp-worm-war-the-botnet-battle-for-iot-territory.pdf

Reviews of anime “Mirai Nikki”: https://myanimelist.net/anime/10620/Mirai_Nikki_TV/reviews

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fig 1, 2: traditional birds-eye-view site plan, annotated 0.5metre:block minecraft model for Mitcham's Corner fig. 3: the BlockByBlock revitalization of a kampung in Surabaya fig. 4: neighbourhood residents pose for photos in the completed 'traditional Javanese house'. The renovation of the neighbourhood was very successful.

#teasing you but yes the next episode is about Minecraft

E24: talking animals

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— Further reading:

📑Clara Mancini: Animal-Computer Interaction (ACI): a Manifesto

📑Ilyena Hirskyj-Douglas & Andrés Lucero: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You’re a Dog... Unless You’re Another Dog

📑Giancarlo Valentin, Joelle Alcaidinho, Ayanna Howard, Melody M. Jackson, & Thad Starner: Creating Collar-sensed Motion Gestures for Dog-Human Communication in Service Applications

📘Oskar Pfungst - CLEVER HANS: The Horse of Mr. Von Osten

📑Laasya Samhita & Hans J Gross: The “Clever Hans Phenomenon” revisited

📷Christina Hunger & Stella’s blog: @hunger4words | https://www.hungerforwords.com/

📘Herb Patterson (foster parent of Nim Chimpsky)’s scathing critique of ape language research: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1980/12/04/more-on-monkey-talk-1/

Jane Hu’s Slate.com article: https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/koko-kanzi-and-ape-language-research-criticism-of-working-conditions-and-animal-care.html

An archived copy of the AOL chat Koko did in 1998 (!!!): https://web.archive.org/web/20050227020554/http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/4451/KokoLiveChat.html

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23: viral

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Audio engineering is kindly provided by Miguel Tanhi of Much Different, a live podcast recording venue in Brooklyn, NY.

— FURTHER READING:

“Almost half the world is living through this pandemic without Internet”: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/world/internet-inequality-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Kate Petrova’s thread on Amazon scented candle review data: https://twitter.com/kate_ptrv/status/1332475475726381056

The LA Times’ followup reporting, interviewing Eddie Moreno’s colleagues: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-02/fbi-train-derailment-mercy-naval-ship-extremist-groups

This episode's cover art is a simplified explanation of SARS-CoV-2 lineage descent, published by and alongside the Pango viral lineage nomenclature system. I chose it because I think it cleanly illustrates the ever-evolving state of the virus worldwide. http://pando.tools/ https://www.pango.network

For a comprehensive list of all documented viral lineages of SARS-CoV-2, try scrolling through this link for a few minutes: https://cov-lineages.org/lineage_list.html

Finally, a note: as I edited and published this episode, the WHO declared the Omicron variant to be a "Variant of Concern", leapfrogging the intermediary "Variant of Interest" status. In Pango nomenclature, Omicron was previously known as B.1.1.529. There are other nomenclatures too but basically you'll probably only ever hear Pango nomenclature or WHO nomenclature. I don't know very much about Omicron at all but I want to stress, at this time, that travel bans are ineffective at preventing international transmission, and that vaccination remains the #1 most effective tool we have to protect ourselves from this pandemic. Access to those vaccines is an enormous issue of vaccine equity and vaccine imperialism. As director-general of the WHO Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has pointed out, eight billion doses of vaccine have been administered worldwide. The supply exists, but it is constrained by imperialism and the rent-seeking profit motive. I applaud US president Joe Biden's seemingly-sincere attempts to end the vaccine patents and liberate the world from our global pandemic. Nursing unions in nearly 30 countries are begging him to do so. If we do not protect the entire world from this plague, it will never leave us. Ephemera will be back with a much less depressing episode, shortly before Christmas.

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22: Basically, no-one knows if HFT is good or bad.

BLACK LIVES MATTER. RESIST FASCISM.

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FURTHER READING:

http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4436.html

https://ir.virtu.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2013/Study-of-Federal-Reserve-Announcement/default.aspx

http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4441.html

https://sniperinmahwah.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/the-fed-robbery-new-evidence/

https://www.quincy-data.com/fed-robbery-revisited/ 📖Michael Lewis - Flash Boys

📖Dark Pools And High Frequency Trading For Dummies

📖Haim Bodek - The Problem With HFT https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/high-speed-trading-isnt-about-efficiency-its-about-cheating/283677/

A Guardian Business profile of Hunsader and Nanex: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/07/inside-murky-world-high-frequency-trading

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-06/how-the-robots-lost-high-frequency-tradings-rise-and-fall

http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/no-one-really-knows-if-hft-is-good-or.html On SIP timestamps: http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4599.html

https://sevenpillarsinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Laure-Madonna-High-Frequency-Trading.pdf

ADDITIONAL ECONOMICS READING:

📖 Markus Brunnermeier - Asset Pricing Under Asymmetric Information

A discussion on Hide Not Slide: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443989204577599243693561670

A late analysis of HFT firms between the miracle millisecond and today. The citations at the bottom were particularly helpful in my initial research: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/091615/world-high-frequency-algorithmic-trading.asp

On “Dodging Robin Hood”: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2389166

🎥Adam Curtis - All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace(2011)🎥

🎥Margin Call (2011)🎥

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21: An Outward Expression of an Inward Faith

BLACK LIVES MATTER. INDIGENOUS SOVEREIGNTY MATTERS.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xim3v8KTX14-M9FvYz7VsDm1YkLFuUUKULqpias01Uc Get in touch: [email protected]

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--- Additional reading:

https://www.wired.com/story/virtual-reality-church/

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/11/13/going-to-church-in-virtual-reality-beme.beme

https://www.jaykranda.com/blog/2018/11/29/honest-conversation-about-vr-church-with-dj-soto

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/testing-the-waters-of-virtual-reality-baptisms

http://christinmedia.org/vr6-a-virtual-baptism/

https://youtu.be/QMt3S-xLP0c DJ Soto giving a talk IRL about VR Church

https://twitter.com/djsoto/status/1208893321025900546?s=20

https://twitter.com/arkthespearman1/status/1196187843195850752?s=20

https://twitter.com/djsoto/status/1178417305044303876?s=20

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/cant-livestream-church/

https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/how-should-we-think-about-the-virtual-reality-church

https://arpost.co/2018/11/26/going-to-church-vr-technology/

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/interviews/vr-church Naked Gaming Podcast interview w DJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh65Fj4lmRg Drumsy’s vlog about his baptism https://youtu.be/N_88DBmdnNA Syrmor’s less edited video

VR Church’s architect’s reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/The_Architect_92/

https://the-toast.net/2015/06/01/gabbin-about-god-transubstantiation-and-the-lords-supper/ Danny M Lavery on doctrinal differences re: the Eucharist

A discussion of halacha on virtual minyanin: https://traditiononline.org/the-virtual-minyan/

If you're looking to attend livestreamed church services at an Affirming and justice-guided church, you could do a lot worse than checking out the church I attend: https://www.canadianmemorial.org/cmuc-streaming Ephemera will have a Christmas episode! Depending on how things are feeling on the research side, we'll discuss either high-frequency trading (and financial crime) or unboxing videos for children (and gambling addiction). Happy holidays, and death to America.

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teaser: an interview with VR Church's Pastor Alina

Teaser fragment of the full 27-minute interview available to Patreon subscribers. https://www.patreon.com/ephemerapodcast

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20: America Is The Dark Souls Of Things You Can Walk Across

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTlMERf0Ohhqy08ZgfyxGQWuoTulorKcweXrppoxTR0

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I was on vacation, so please forgive the slightly worse audio on my part this episode. Next episode will sound as warm and gentle as you’ve become used to.

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Muerte’s first thread, soliciting a name for his project: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712401 Muerte’s thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3714480

The FYAD thread making fun of Muerte: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3720872

Muerte’s Fundrazr: https://fundrazr.com/2yYS4?ref=sh_54ho83_ab_06Di176j3jx06Di176j3jx

Hobo Nick’s lessons learned video, in which he describes the very unrealistic circumstances that let him keep going:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Pw521AYB0&feature=youtu.be

Hobo Nick’s blog (written by his mom): http://worldinstrides.blogspot.com/

Some of Muerte’s - and SA goons’ - photos:

https://storiesfromtheinter.net/post/628457004882624512

Goon ‘atomicthumbs’ goes looking for the cart (lots of nice photos of the park): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3714480&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=77#post446000686

Please note: I have consolidated a couple of muerte’s exchanges with goons into single quotes from Muerte. The meaning has been preserved, and I’ve experimented more with doing this lately (see also ‘Cain’ ‘s text). If you want the original and full text, I’ve linked to it. Does this seem fair?

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Some of Muerte’s photos, and images of his route. Please note the bicycle trailer he calls a cart.

unfortunately, as you probably already know, people

BLACK LIVES MATTER. RESIST FASCISM. THE WORLD STANDS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ---

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Read the episode script and my research notes:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C6_9BLS6JEH5dC3pnCsKOiL17HD5W2IMZwR0Dh5k0rQ/edit?usp=sharing

Virgil Texas' "OKC_ebooks", where thirsty men reply ad nauseam to incoherent horse_ebooks text: https://slacktory.tumblr.com/post/43168538440/this-is-a-pick-up-artist-talking-to-a-horse-robot

You will look back on this moment with shock and: https://twitter.com/horse_ebooks/status/113976583752134656?lang=en

Adrian Chen tracks down the account's father: https://gawker.com/5887697/how-i-found-the-human-being-behind-horseebooks-the-internets-favorite-spambot

Dan Sinker's "Eulogy For A Horse": http://web.archive.org/web/20140213003406/http://dansinker.com/post/62183207705/eulogy-for-a-horse

Excellent perspective here on the relevance of horse ebooks as ‘obliging a program’ and parallels to social media: https://www.marieconnelly.com/writing/horse-ebooks

Academic writing on the idea of 'botness': http://journal.media-culture.org.au/index.php/mcjournal/rt/printerFriendly/814/0

Bakkila's artist statement: https://images.gawker.com/1915kb0m44uocjpg/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800.jpg

Susan Orlean's review of the gallery performance: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/02/10/man-and-machine-susan-orlean

Michael Craig-Martin's "An Oak Tree": https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/craig-martin-an-oak-tree-l02262

If you have a recording of Ryan O’Connor's talk at Mind Maze II, “The Horse Computer in Kiev”, I want it. It was impossible to find and I really wish I'd been able to.

Please stay safe, dear listeners. I have more episodes written and I hope to return to a normal release pace.

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18: ** Paid Modeling Gig. **

Get in touch: [email protected] http://storiesfromtheinter.net/about http://storiesfromtheinter.net/zine (zine 2 this month!) https://www.patreon.com/ephemerapodcast Audio engineering is generously provided by Miguel Tanhi of Much Different NY, a live podcast recording venue in Brooklyn, NY. -------- Read the episode script: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1971bcy15t1CufTOH45As_6yMqPmvnN7-6lQfku2ekmE/

I didn't find it until after I'd written my script, but this subreddit has an awful lot of collected materials for further reading. Unfortunately, it's full of redditors who seem to have an encyclopedic knowledge of these victimization films. Gross. https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsDoLawsuits/

As I mentioned in the episode, VICE's reporting on this case has been surprisingly good.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/gyz9gy/girls-do-porn-producer-allegedly-made-fake-porn-of-lawyers-suing-him

Bianca Bruno has been amazing at covering the legal aspect of this story:

https://www.courthousenews.com/porn-company-employee-says-recruiting-continues-during-fraud-trial/

https://www.courthousenews.com/months-long-trial-over-bait-and-switch-porn-scheme-kicks-off/

Pratt files for bankruptcy to delay the case:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTBlXG5dcdm242fIyxkBzCQWgYhlYppG/view

Pratt flees the US

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275965

The conspirators are charged with sex trafficking: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvgxvw/girls-do-porn-employees-charged-with-sex-trafficking-potentially-face-life-in-prison One of their fake shell companies:

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/bll-media-inc/383265205 The VICE story that interviews Monica: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evjkdw/she-helped-expose-girls-do-porn-but-she-can-never-outrun-what-it-did-to-her?utm_source=stylizedembed_vice.com&utm_campaign=8xwep4&site=vice

https://www.thedailybeast.com/she-was-18-and-tricked-into-doing-porn-this-ruined-my-life?source=articles&via=rss

Sanford Heisler Sharp LLC:

https://sanfordheisler.com/case/girlsdoporn-com-lawsuit/

Yale Law School’s Yiqin Fu’s twitter thread translating posts about the chinese facial recognition app: https://web.archive.org/web/20190529205522/https://twitter.com/yiqinfu/status/1133215940936650754

A folder of pdf files I read during my research: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1o61fH_d3reOnsdPMIiN4OcawTcPAwa_T?usp=sharing

Finally, a personal note. I meant what I said when I called out "you true crime sickos". I do not like true crime and I do not want Ephemera to ever be a true crime podcast. However, it's impossible to look at the Internet holistically without discussing its ability to empower criminals. But abuse, rape, and criminal deception are not what I like to listen to stories about, and even less appealing to me to research. Thank you for understanding.

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long time no talk, listeners

FULL TEXT:

Hey, babes. This is just a short little announcement to update you on ephemera’s release schedule during this whole plague meets great depression thing. If you wanna pull your patreon pledges, I have no issues with that, but they are still going to the ephemera research slush fund. I’ve been researching and writing episodes and our boy Miguel has been editing them, but we both had COVID symptoms at some time in the last month or two - he lives in New York, my heart goes out to the guy - which obviously took some time. Miguel just sent me episode #18, and after I listen to it, I’m gonna upload it for you to listen to. Episode 19 is about Horse Ebooks and the nature of Barthèsian simulation, Foucault, all that good stuff, and I expect to publish that during May as well. I’ve fully written scripts for episodes 19 and 20, and I’m about half done with the script for #21. I also submitted Ephemera for publication and funding from the CBC, canada’s national broadcaster, and I’m waiting to hear back about that. The pitch took a fair bit of my time that couldn’t directly transfer over into regular episodes, but I submitted it and I’m waiting to hear back. If they take me up on it, I’ll make a six episode season looking in particular at women’s experiences with the Internet, re-telling a few stories I’ve told before but with tighter production.

During this unprecedented global crisis, ephemera will still publish, but since I no longer know what time is, or how it proceeds from one moment to the next, it’s a little harder to have my scheduled research and writing blocks. Also, I’m back in school, which is taking a lot of my time but allows me to apply for Canada Student benefits.

Ephemera will get back on track, work out the kinks in publishing, catch back up to itself, and continue to provide you with unique perspectives on interesting stories. It is so so SO important to me that Ephemera is good, remains at the consistent level of quality I’ve reached with Miguel’s help, and that’s something I’ve heard from listeners that you care about as well. All of this is, basically, just to say that hey, there’s an episode coming out later tonight. And I’m making another zine. Thanks.

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17: The Other Nefertiti

Get in touch: [email protected] http://storiesfromtheinter.net/about http://storiesfromtheinter.net/zine (zine 2 coming soon!) https://www.patreon.com/ephemerapodcast Audio engineering is generously provided by Miguel Tanhi of Much Different NY, a live podcast recording venue in Brooklyn, NY. -------- episode script: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uKplPH6bVADnr3WL9j35AxewNVzDaBqgO9gn_ry6BmQ/edit?usp=sharing

The artists' page, ft torrent download of the Bust: http://nefertitihack.alloversky.com/

The wonderful Mexican heist film MUSEO is a meditation on the duplication and authenticity of artifacts, based on a true story. Also, Gael Garcia Bernal is an ABSOLUTE smoke show throughout. My God, he’s SOOO hot. You should make time to watch it; I think you’ll really be glad you did. Alonso Ruizpalacios is a cut above the rest of modern Mexican cinema. Roger Ebert said so! Available through YouTube Premium here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ikRdynR996c

Cosmo Wenman’s article goes over the similarities between the museum’s private scan and the one released by the artists: https://cosmowenman.com/2016/03/08/the-nefertiti-3d-scan-heist-is-a-hoax/

Charly Wilder's two articles for the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/arts/design/other-nefertiti-3d-printer.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/arts/design/nefertiti-3-d-scanning-project-in-germany-raises-doubts.html

The Neues Museum still has those €8900 replicas for sale: https://www.smb-webshop.de/en/subjects/nofretete/2502/painted-replica-bust-of-nefertiti-gf-539?c=101031

But I printed my own using this hollowed-out version of the #NefertitiHack model, And You Can Too:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1372787 (here's some photos) https://storiesfromtheinter.net/post/611692761627934720

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16: I FEEL SO LONELY // WE LIVE IN PUBLIC

I was recently asked if I’d include my scripts in the episode notes. I’m happy to do so! Read along at your leisure here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P1XOLvBoYXXlffn1Q0YSrN3zwO3uRmuBp39pgRWmulU/edit?usp=sharing

Molly Osberg writes for Fusion about the relationships between the first camgirls:

https://fusion.tv/story/385606/jennicam-first-female-lifecasters-camgirls/ I’ve been assured by Paul Brown, who ran a Jennicam fansite, that Jennicam updated every fifteen minutes, with the premium feed refreshing every two minutes. People have written that the site updated at a variety of speeds - every 15 seconds, every three minutes, every twenty minutes, and so on - but the general state of things was a new image every fifteen minutes. Mr. Brown writes in his email to me: “As I remember it, however, there were a few times here and there when the updates were more frequent. That was definitely a rare and short duration thing.”

Also, I state in the episode that Jennicam’s premium feed was $15/month, but it was actually $15/year. No wonder she went into debt. Alex Goldman, producer and co-host of the Reply All podcast, was obsessed with Jenni and spent a year tracking her down for a 2014 interview. You might be interested in hearing more from him on his connection to her website (unfortunately, his page of additional material he references has been lost to bit rot): https://gimletmedia.com/episode/5-the-jennicam/

A partial archive of JenniSHOW, Jenni's online video series from 1998 (remember, Jennicam worked in serialized photos): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdXBHnkRzp7l9j4Ac7nhsxbpiIlseKd5o

Jenni’s 1998 Letterman interview: https://youtu.be/0AmIntaD5VE

The salacious WaPo article: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2000-09-04-0009011003-story.html

Jenni’s “I FEEL SO LONELY” post-it sign: http://www.polyamory.org/~howard/Poetry/9701272308.jpg (ps check that /poetry/ directory. just wild)

Josh Harris’ “WE LIVE IN PUBLIC” sign: https://storiesfromtheinter.net/post/189691653275

Steven Kaplan, who was one of the pod people in Quiet, reflects on it here: https://post.thing.net/node/2800 (with photos!)

rent WE LIVE IN PUBLIC here (or if you know me IRL, come over and we’ll watch it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnt23PA2zZ4

A profile of Justin.tv’s early days. It’s interesting to compare Justin Kan’s reaction to 24/7 surveillance to Jenny’s: https://www.fastcompany.com/1839300/many-pivots-justintv-how-livecam-show-became-home-video-gaming-superstars essay by Ana Voog, of “anacam”, about her early days Online and then walking away from it: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywe9wv/anacam-anna-voog-livestream-web-cam-art

ANIL DASH: “Now we are all Jennicam.” https://twitter.com/anildash/status/492060636218544128

YT vid: “JenniCAM Invented Reality TV” (as discussed in the ep, that was MTV’s The Real World, but it’s a good video): https://youtu.be/4ii0gLK3meM

Closing music: Anais Mitchell - 1984

Additional audio resources provided by: https://freesound.org/people/ERH/

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