“Free Palestine from Hamas” but not from the literal oppressive occupation of Israel THATS what you’re saying ?
Millions of Israelis on video saying they hope ppl are killed, raped, etc. laughing at victims. Constant bombing to “find Hamas” and they’re magically never there. Hospitals, homes, entire BLOODLINES. Telling them to “flee” from THEIR homes and bombing them in the way. Running over dead bodies a a a joke, using Palestinian skin for Israeli surgeries. a family from Brooklyn thst has never stepped foot in Israel can go to Israel and push Palestinians out and act like they deserve to live there and belong there. Saying they can’t wait for Palestine to be flattened.
That’s sick. And not addressing their violent occupation and power is also sick.
since you're bothered by issues that aren't being addressed, I'm gonna go slow and make sure I address everything you just said.
firstly, "the oppressive occupation of Israel", as you put it. I think there are kind of two issues to be discussed here - the state of Israel, which some people are calling to destroy because we're "settlers", and the grounds existing today that belong to Palestinians already and have varying degrees of Israeli presence.
now I don't know how much you hate Israelis and want us all to die, but I'll start with the latter, specifically the Gaza Strip because I assume that's what you're talking about. apart from a few (I believe 3) instances of Israel fighting with the Hamas, no Israeli, including the IDF, has been in the Gaza strip until the events that followed October 7th. in 2005, the Israeli government made a decision to disengage from Gaza, forcing Jewish Israeli families out of their homes so the Palestinians can have Gaza to themselves, in hopes this would promote peace in giving them autonomy.
It didn't. the acts of terror against us continued, especially when Hamas started to rule the Gaza strip. because Hamas is a terrorist organization.
as for the rest of Israel, there are more lands and cities that are Palestinian, and they operate with minimal Israeli involvement to try and keep everyone safe.
and if you think the existence of Israel is oppressive occupation, I urge you to look at our history. on November 29th, 1947, the UN made a decision and wanted to implement a two-state solution. the Palestinians didn't agree to this and started violently attacking the Jews, trying to banish them from their homes here. thus started a nearly two-year war that, eventually, we won and Israel was born. naturally, a lot of Palestinians didn't want to live here, so they left, during the war and after it. we aren't seeking to oppress anyone or banish them, we're fighting for our home.
now to your next point about "Millions of Israelis on video saying they hope ppl are killed, raped, etc. laughing at victims", and what you add later on: "Saying they can’t wait for Palestine to be flattened."
I don't think there are millions of us saying this, but that's just nitpicking and I know that. I also know that this attitude is indeed terrible, and I would like to offer not a defense of it, but an explanation.
these are people who have lost the people nearest and dearest to them, and they want to urge to avenge them in this way. not just people who've lost loved ones now, but also in the many acts of terror and violence Hamas carried out over the years. it is a cry of pain and frustration that's been building for years, and still a horrifying one indeed.
you might notice that also sounds similar to what Palestinians are depicting they feel right now. that after years of loss, they want payback.
just like i don't think this argument justifies the killings of October 7th, i don't think it would justify it if it was the opposite way around, and so do many other Israelis. most of us want peace, we want the deaths and the violence to stop, and we know calling out for more unnecessary violence against civilians is not the answer. but for some, these horrible "jokes" are a way of mourning.
"Constant bombing to “find Hamas” and they’re magically never there. Hospitals, homes, entire BLOODLINES. Telling them to “flee” from THEIR homes and bombing them in the way."
i have a few things to say about this point. first of all, they're not "magically" never there, they're never there because the IDF usually warns before it bombs, to try to prevent the murder of innocents.
and why would innocents be where Hamas is? why would the IDF need to bomb places where there are innocent civilians, hospitals and homes as you've said? great questions! ask Hamas why they're building rocket launchers in hospitals, and assembling their ammunition next to classrooms. why they enter whatever home they want and stash their ammunition there. (it's because they don't care about their civilians, and are using them as human shields, so they can do exactly that - call Israel evil and immoral when they attack homes and hospitals, failing to mention this is where Hamas operates from.)
and telling them to flee is our way to avoid as many needless deaths as we can when we're trying to destroy Hamas (the terrorist organization operating against us for years, where we reach ceasefires again and again and they are repeatedly broken, mostly by Hamas, most recently on October 7th with truly terrible acts of terror and violence).
about the bombing of them when they flee, I actually heard that Hamas is behind that one, so they can tell people it was Israel AND so they'll have human shields left in the parts they're fighting from. but even if the bombings were Israeli, there's NO WAY they were purposefully fired at fleeing civilians. there would be no point in telling them all to run and THEN bomb them. if we didn't care about their lives, wouldn't we just not tell them to run?
"Running over dead bodies a a a joke, using Palestinian skin for Israeli surgeries." - i genuinely haven't heard about what you're referring to, so i can't really respond to that. if you want to send me a source, you're welcome to.
"a family from Brooklyn thst has never stepped foot in Israel can go to Israel and push Palestinians out and act like they deserve to live there and belong there." - I assume you're referring to the Law of Return, that gives Jews the right to relocate to Israel and gain citizenship. so just to be clear, it's not "any family from Brooklyn that never stepped foot in Israel", it's Jewish families specifically.
I don't really understand what makes you think that includes pushing Palestinians out? I assure you, no Jewish person is going around Palestinian neighborhoods "house hunting" and just kicking out whoever's house they like best, because that's frankly ridiculous. so I don't really get what you meant by that.
and when you say "act like" they deserve to live here and belong here, I don't get what you mean by that either. because they do.
Jews come from Judea. this is our homeland. we've historically lived here centuries ago. even Jesus, you know that guy? lived here too? yeah, he was Jewish.
the Jews were banished from Israel a few times, so there were Jews all over the world - in places like Poland and Germany and places like Morocco and Iraq. and there were still Jews in Israel as well.
After the events of the Holocaust, in which the Jewish people were hunted down by Nazis and systematically murdered in camps just for being Jewish, they realized they can't keep living all over the world. because it wasn't just the Nazis, it was everyone hunting them down. their community, their neighbors, were in many cases the ones who turned them over, helping the Nazis send entire bloodlines to die in gas chambers.
so we needed a safe place to go. the Jewish people had to come back to our homeland. and we deserve this one country to be ours. that doesn't mean kicking out Palestinians. that just means we want one place in the world where Jews can live safely. so it does mean dismantling terrorist organizations who seek to slaughter us.
"That’s sick. And not addressing their violent occupation and power is also sick." - war is never a good thing. no war is a hundred percent good. but i hope i managed to explain to you why this war against Hamas is happening, and why this isn't the violent occupation power struggle you've been told it is. I hope this whole thing ends soon, with as little loss as possible, and we can find a way to coexist in peace, and i'm not the only one in Israel who thinks this way.
