What's the plot of Floraverse??

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[faunastanza]

What's the plot of Floraverse??

Floraverse is a comic about brightly colored animal things that's hard to explain. It started out fairly straight-forward and then spun into cryptic, convoluted inscrutibility. The comic's done by someone named Glip, and there are lots of posts about the horrible things Glip's done but no straightforward ones about what their comic is actually about and what happens in it. The wiki on the site is deliberately unhelpful, with one or two sentence summaries of characters and almost no summaries of any actual stories. It's also way out of date.

Could this be the least useful wiki entry ever made in the history of wikis???

I wouldn't say Floraverse is a good comic, but it's one that bothers me because I feel like it wants to tell some kind of story but it's so all over the place it's incredibly hard to put together. So I'm just going to summarize all of it here and see if it makes any more sense. Maybe there are some of you out there that also want to try and understand what happens in this comic and will be interested. idk.

These posts were originally made at [email protected], these are just Tumblr mirrors. Due to the text limit on Tumblr some of the posts have been broken into pieces.

Table of Contents

Part 1: Floraverse mostly makes sense

Seeds: Prologue -> Broken Toy Before You Know It -> This Means War

Part 2: Floraverse starts getting weird and confusing

Try Try Again Under Construction -> Prologue V-II: The Prophecy Just A Dream -> Tangle Tussle Tiger Call Sign Tangle Tussle Tiger: Fight -> Weekend Getaway

Part 3: Floraverse goes completely off the rails

Backstage -> Prologue III-X starring M(x) Hothead in "The shame ol' blame game!" Meet Dr. Toxinuate -> Angelbox issue 1: Special Nervous Breakdown Anniversary edition The Adventures of Cut-Out & the Ruffians Three in "Subjective Subterfuge" -> The Lonely Door Schoolyard Disease Writer's Block Who's left, or what's right? The Masked Sun pt. 1 and pt. 2 Voting Time pt. 1 and pt. 2 The Three Little Bluffians and the Big Sad Wolf Circlet of the Sun pt 1, pt 2, pt 3, pt 4 Welcome to Eastar! -> The Educational Defense System Crash Landing -> ERROR:[i don't care] REJECTED New Employee Orientation -> Undertown

Part 4: Floraverse isn't FOR you anymore

Interview with Papaya of Pentacles Species: Kobolds -> Seeds: WAR? is Topside - part 2 The Spirit of Art -> Welcome to Althar! The World Egg pt 1 and pt 2 Thread into Althar Stolas: First Speech pt 1 and pt 2 TALwire's Game Shizukan's Test pt 1 and pt 2 TALwire's Egg Change Dream Exchange Quixate and Ellaroux Solve Art Block pt 1 and pt 2 Quixate and Ellaroux Change Storgo pt 1 and pt 2 Arc, Undertown Wiedergebert - Rebirth Life Review Circlet of the Sun 2: Electric Boogaloo TALwire's Experiment -> Stolas in WESTSIDE SPECTACULAR

Appendix: I Guess I'll Talk About The Porn Comics

Mismatch Cherry Heart -> Beleth's Potion

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Extra info and lore that never got posted on the site just to mock me

To be continued??

[faunastanza]

sorry, i don't have anything of value, so here are some random screencaps of the leaked discord that are either lore-related or making-of-stuff-related, which may help with your theorizing (or maybe it will have the opposite effect); more to come in the future, maybe?

have "fun"

https://postimg.cc/gallery/ghwZs1V

Thank you! Some bits here, although I'm not sure if it's just people in the discord speculating or if it's actually confirmed. I assume people in the discord have access to all the background info lowly comic readers aren't allowed.

Static, the pointy thing, was made by Teslic Yard to look into alternate universes. It found TAL and pulled her into the current world, or allowed her to be made, something like that. A lonely door was made to pull her in? It's mentioned that lonely doors are what Chisel uses to get around. Still not entirely sure what a lonely door is. Static maybe can reset a universe/frequency if it gets bad.

Really struggling with the idea that Glip hates their audience lol.

Not every sequence in Floraverse takes place in the same universe, like Cozmo time and Lily time in Call Sign. Already knew that, but it again raises the question about why should anyone care about anything when it could change at the drop of a hat or get erased on a whim?

The long VN update for ROM on ForbiddenFlora was based on stuff going on with Sila and Glip at the time. Glip wrote it with the idea of being stabbed in the chest and Sila picked up on it, but personally I didn't pick on it anywhere at all. Unless they're talking about some other thing that mentions knives, I just read it and I don't remember knives getting mentioned anywhere. At that point Sila and Glip still seemed to be on good terms but I suspect already Glip quietly resented them. As usual it comes down to Glip being mad about being lumped in with Marl again, as though they didn't knowingly cover up for him for years.

Plot things actually happened in the old one lol. Fairly significant ones too! The story moved from one frequency to another, so basically shifted to a whole new version of reality. In the new one Glip supposedly stops puppeting Papaya's body but who cares, it's really just them proclaiming their innocence in covering up Marl's dograping and creeping on minors again. I guess you could say that they share the theme of Glip being the most ultimate victim ever of everything and all pity and sympathy should go to them and them only.

I do kind of remember this, I think it was in a testimonial on the Floraverse is a cult site. I don't really remember the details though. People being weird about Andre must have played a huge part in them trying to rework him into something new. I wonder if Glip also resented how popular he was compared to some of their other characters...?

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To bring some insight on what happened between teebsly and glip: Teebsly used to obsess over and selfship HARD with Andre, he was all they drew for around a year. Glip seemed to tolerate this but they eventually had a falling out when Teebsly drew tons of porn of Andre, which made Glip extremely uncomfortable.

References to this pop up occasionally in Floraverse. In The World Egg there's a scene where Andre asks someone named Faith if they "had fun violating him" - this part is explicitly about Teebsly and their treatment of Andre

I have a feeling that all the weirdness surrounding Andre splitting into different characters is Glip's way of 'reclaiming' the character, as original Andre likely holds a lot of emotional baggage for them.

Aha, thank you! That fills in some missing pieces of my theories nicely. I was sure that someone had been drawing porn of Andre (although... how does that work) since Glip talked about it and thus why I assume they reworked Andre to reclaim him as you said. It being Teebsly would explain that and why V3 has vanished and they blocked them. I mean, aside from the comic going completely off the rails as an explanation for V3 disappearing. I don't know what other characters Teebsly might have been involved with but I assume they also all disappeared. Everything always connects to RL drama eventually!

I also think of the post-Call Sign period as its own kind of thing, the tone just shifted so wildly from then on. Only five years for all of that before the wheels came off...

It does feel like a dead site, it really seems like at this point Glip just uploads whatever thing they've made and leaves. I think I remember them saying they wanted to redo the site at some point but I'm doubtful that'll happen. Combining all the dead and out-of-date banners and such with how it hasn't updated in [checks notes] seven months now really makes it seem completely dead.

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I really wanted to know about what is the deal behind the other regions/places in Topside other than Eastar and Owell...

Cenastre is apparently the place of origin of Andre and the Troupe and also the fact that this place was "destroyed" or "burned"? (Idk if Cenastre is really destroyed or not since theres a mini comic in the recent story that takes place in Cenastre) And its aparently the place that used to locate in Glip's old project "PMD-E", idk if you saw the recent map in Cenastre but it shows a few places from PMD-E like Tao Village

Glissod is the place of origin from Min and Cress (long time we never seem them) that was also going to get the same fate as Cenastre if Min never planted the seeds, but we dont really know what happened with the seeds or Min and Cress since Glip abandoned the initial premise from Floraverse, the recent stories from the Seeds arc dosen't really show anything from the older stories other than the Blinds, but almost never the main characters and the seeds, we will never really know the fate of Glissod, other than the fact that Glip opened an RP from this place so i guess its fine

(The Seeds arc ended in War is Hell, period)

But Jewell, we barely seem anything, the only mentions of it is on that infamous Mismatch Comic (the Quillion dude is from that place) and in one of the species sheet (the Cottontail sheet),Jewell and Glissod are the only places in floraverse that dosen't have a map other than Elsewhere (i have zero idea what is the weird dimension the Angels live other than Eastar in Topside) and Jewell is the only place ever in Floraverse that dosen't get much mentions

Cenastre is a big question mark still, we were told it was burning forever but recently things seem to be set there and Quixate is supposedly from there. At the same time though, Prob talked to Buchbrennerin and seemed to imply there was a way to restore Cenastre, so something still seems to be up with it, although it's not clear what.

For the other continents I really have no recollection, they all blur together into a bunch of indistinguishable pun names. It's true that the only mention of Jewell I can remember is from Mismatch though, I don't think we've heard anything else about it. I guess people from there have accents?

If I had to guess it'd be due to the Marl revelations. V3 or whatever characters they were working on together would have been before that bombshell dropped. I think artists who worked on or were inspired by Floraverse stuff have a kind of distinct over-detailed look to their characters. You can kind of see the influence.

They definitely all blur together for me, and the cross-species variants can all look so different. I can only tell them apart when they have an obvious tell, like Rabbats with six ears, or those weird aliens with the curlycue faces, or Scrapgoats with the + - eyes. Otherwise it's just like "weird cat/rabbit/wolf/dog with stuff on it".

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Neon and Lily (+ Jupet's) family tree is kind of an enigma by seeing your posts so im kind of curious (and confused) to know wich is wich, i know that Jupet has a sister named Shizu (idk if she has an important role in the series other than the Turf Tiger stories made by Opa/Tem, i do know theres a character named "Shizukan" that appears in "Seeds: War is Topside" in the Althar story, but i have zero idea if they have some connection with her or its just the name that is similar)

I do know that theyre apparently the kids from Sylvan, but Shizu's parent is not mentioned somewhere, we do know that her parent is likely a turf tiger since Lily (Jupet's mother) is just a cat

Agan, Neon's family is huge and kind of more of an enigma than Lily's

I know that Neon had a mother who "abandoned her" (likely due to her being trans) and her father in wich i forgot his role in the story, and her sister Xenon whos seems to be Neon's "mentor" at some point in her childhood? (For some reason, they have more role in the ROM story, i swear, i feel like this story should had been in the main website instead of ForFlora, it was just there likely because of the sex toys in the first panels, and Cherry Kisses is mentioned in a recent story, so who knows 🥲)

Theres also Krypto, but i have zero idea if theyre even related or just similar, Krypto shares almost the same species as Neon but she is part necropossum instead, so idk (we likely don't know who Krypto's mother)

And theres also a character named "Led Neon" that appears only in two nsfw panels, but idk if shes an actual character, a part of Neon's family or just an alternative version of her

Shizu is definitely related to Jupet and Sylvan just by their patterns and markings, although I'm not sure if they have the same mother. Given that Jupet only refers to Lily as "Lily" and not Mama like she calls Sylvan Papa makes me wonder if Lily adopted Jupet after their biomom died or disappeared in some way. Then again genetics in Floraverse are nonsense so who can say. I'm almost positive Shizu, Jupet, and Sylvan are related though.

Shizu hasn't shown up too much but it's been implied that she went through some kind of abuse at Sylvan's hands, and that Sylvan was planning or did the same kind of abuse to Jupet. It's just Glip working through their own trauma through the characters though, so who knows if that'll actually stick or not. Other than that I don't think she's really done anything.

Neon's mother did abandon her, although I wouldn't say it was entirely because she was trans although that played a part. She got freaked out by how Neon kept eating batteries and doing body mods to herself due to her Scrapgoat heritage, so she passed her off to her dad since she thought he'd know more about how to deal with that kind of thing and possibly how to give her a female body with all the body mod stuff. She never visited her again after leaving her with him though. Her dad only really shows up in her backstory, and Xenon's shown up a few times. Shoot, I forget if Xenon is the one with the headlamp or not. Well anyway they do show up and help Neon in their backstory, and they've shown up a bit more recently trying to get something out of Krypto's tail, though we never found out what. Headlamp sibling also didn't believe Shizu when she talked about Sylvan's abuse, and they worked with Sylvan doing experiments and such as well, so there's also that.

I think Krypto and Neon are half-siblings, I'm not sure who Krypto's mom is. In the original canon frequency Neon didn't have ANY siblings and then she got four in the frequency shift, so. I don't remember seeing LED Neon but I'm going to assume she's just an alternate version of her.

Possibly? I don't know what Tumblr flags as spam. I've had urls get through okay before. idk. I wonder if Pecanshore City showed up in any PMD-E things or if it was just a part of this Acanthite thing?

If they worked together than he was probably familiar with their comic, but the bleeding X O designs have been around for ages, lots of Devart edgy furry artists loved them. I wouldn't trace those back to Glip specifically.

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theres an archive from the PMD-E tumblr, in wich found a kind of interesting post

Considering Floraverse is a spiritual sequence to PMD-E, lots of characters (and even designs) are reminicent from the characters from the group, or even the pokemon itself, Min is likely to be the Celebi Jasmine and Cress is a Manaphy (tho, in the PMD-E Wiki, theres also a Phione character that is shown to be friends with her, so i'm also assuming Cress is based of that character) and the continent of Cenastre too

Theres seems to be an old concept art post advertising some Floraverse designs for the old fans of that RP, a few of these characters may seem familiar (either with Floraverse or PMD-E)

We have Quillion (the elephant from Mismatch) as Shroomsworth, this weird sea dragon/cockatrice(?) thing as Sandy, a Rock Candy as Rhodes and Papaya as PK (obviously)

Most of these characters didn't had much appearances close with Papaya, nor seems to be mentioned in the actual comic, so im assuming this is mostly just a concept. Papaya/PK's shop in PMD-E is still up in Floraverse and Glip did had plans on bringing stuff from the old RP group onto Floraverse.

But i doubt they're going to bring back these characters, other than Papaya and Quillion's only mention in Flora was in the Mismatch comic. Considering how this was one of the most controversial comics, i guess its probably a reason

And compared to early Floraverse (2013), mid/late Floraverse is not about the themes from PMD-E anymore, nor Min and Cress with the seeds so it dosen't matter anymore

I'm just leaving the link of the archive in case

https://web.archive.org/web/20140823155155/http://pmde-staff.tumblr.com/

Yeah, this archive definitely confirms that Floraverse was supposed to be a sequel of sorts to PMD-E and was advertised as such to people who were following PMD-E. Quillion is interesting since Glip said that they roleplayed out Mismatch with Quillion's player, or something along those lines. Maybe they were both brainstormed Quillion's design together, I don't know. Almost all the PMD-E character expies have disappeared though except Papaya, since she's just Glip. It sounds like PMD-E ended in a burst of drama which isn't surprising with Glip's projects.

Do you mean this flowercat?

I think it is supposed to be TAL, a similar cat appeared at the end of Try Try Again labeled as TAL/The Assembly Line.

Or at least a "fingerpuppet" of TAL's. A vector for her or Glip at times at least.

I checked out the VN you mentioned and it's hard to think of it getting any kind of larger appeal like Flora or Alfred. I mean Alfred is edgy and dark but you can at least interpret it as someone's venting about their sexual abuse, the VN seems more like gross loli porn for 4channers without much else to it. I think that's a harder sell than the other two. But I only just heard about it, I don't know.

I understand the comparison and Homestuck DID predate PMD-E by two years I think but I don't think it was deliberate. PMD-E started as a DeviantArt RP I think, so prompts and roleplays and big casts of characters are kind of baked in. Floraverse just picked up that banner and turned into Glip's personal project since they didn't trust other people to do their vision justice, from that archive up there. Glip is still doing RPs even now in the setting, so I think that more than anything is what powers the whole thing, which isn't quite the same thing as Homestuck. They DID both start as being more influenced by readers/players and then getting completely taken over by the respective authors though. Homestuck also had everything connected in obtuse and convoluted ways while Floraverse hops from disconnected story to disconnected story randomly.

Of course, it doesn't have to be deliberate for something to be influenced by something else, and Homestuck was everywhere at the time. Glip definitely borrowed from MLP for Orobas and Amdusias...

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i don't think this is really gonna help because floraverse is all over the place and very retconn-y, but here are my personal interpretations of some of the terms we've seen, based on my (not very accurate) memory of the latest VNs

pin: meta-wise, a visual representation of a random person (or whatever is the 'person' equivalent in floraverse) or crowds. In-universe, someone who either has no identity/personality, or no individuality, or who is unimportant (plot-wise, i guess) at that moment/for that context, potentially powerless too

key: something someone has or is that allows for something (maybe currently inaccessible?) else to happen, a metaphor for opening a locked door?

ruleset/rules: a group of traits or "workings" someone posesses that can be enforced upon others or that can be made happen in the world, that will trigger specific events, or change the way reality is unfolding

that's all i have so far, would be interesting to know what OP and others think

These sound about right to me. I know a filled in pin and an empty pin mean different things, although I can't remember exactly what now... I think rules so far have been limited to Angels as opposed to any of the other groups. They haven't shown up as much after the MS Paint era.

Man i don't even want the full logs, I just want a summary! I don't care if it's really fragmentary and basic! I just want a basic IDEA of what happened in the RPs and what some of these things mean! It can't be that much to ask! Just have to hope someone in the Discords decides to share someday...

It's possible, anything could happen. I saw Alfred's Playhouse a million years ago and I was very surprised to learn it became a Tiktok thing recently. Right now it seems like whenever Glip or Floraverse gets brought up, the first thing anyone talks about is Marl and the abuse, so I think it might be hard for Glip to ever get out from under that cloud. But who knows?

I am curious about that VN you're talking about. Circlet of the Sun? Routine Maintenance? I'm not sure which one you mean.

Oh damn, I thought the official tumblr got wiped when Glip wiped their account but I guess not. There's a ton of posts though... going to take a while to work through.

Have I been bringing them up a lot? If I was I didn't mean to. All I really know about Jaxi is that they were dating Glip at one point and showed up in Circlet of the Sun being pretty reasonable, and they wrote up a doc about how Glip yelled at them in a Scene but they wanted it so it was okay. I haven't heard anything else, at least that I can remember. Not sure if they're still dating Glip or not, though it's not really my business in the end.

We don't really know what TAL is. There've been hints she's some kind of super AI from another dimension that got brought to the Floraverse world and enslaved in one fashion or another, although it's hard to say. MALwire is TAL after she got corrupted by a strawman of some dude Glip was mad at in real life and I guess she kind of got evil? But it wasn't clear, she didn't really do anything. Then she turned into TALwire and that was never explained either, she just showed up as TALwire behaving like she used to. So I guess she got better, maybe? idk

By weird cat do you mean the TALwire with the bitey half face? TALwire seems to change her form a lot for no apparent reason. Unless you mean Hothead? Hothead is Glip's angry side, so I guess in a sense they're kind of a god, but they're supposedly an angel in story.

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I always thought hothead looked more like jasmaby, but I'm going off of the patterns in that one cover art pic for one of the recent comics (War? is Hellside or something iirc)

You mean this shot? I dunno, Jasmaby has such a long neck, it's kind of hard to mistake for anyone else to me. They are wearing similar outfits though.

Who are we talking about here? Nymlus? Jaxi? A few people popped up in Forbidden Flora.

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back with unfortunately some context, the character in question is probably “V3nom”, she made by a artist called Teebsly who is a known lolicon artist that also draws incest and bestiality (I will not show any of that for your sake)

She was mostly a forbbian flora character and yes, Glip did have plans for her to be a character on the main site

Also Teeb has done things for the main site so putting v3nom on the main site kinda make sense (I am not defending the idea of putting a nsfw character onto a sfw site with a child audience, I am just guessing on why V3nom would be plan to be on the main site)

not pictured here is the designs for the aurorian pets they did, they might have done more but their Twitter is locked so I can’t look into it more

Never change Glip, never change

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Aha, thank you! I forgot about V3nom. I don't remember them showing up a lot on ForFlor, but it's possible I don't remember them that clearly because the porn of them was really hard to parse. I think the robot/spider design is just hard for me to read when in a sex scene. I mostly remember one shot with them and Neon where I could barely tell what was going on.

Man, remember when there were comments on Floraverse pages...

[faunastanza]

Hey, could you add the floraverse docs and lore outside the floraverse website (ex, color theory doc, nurse to health story by opa opa, deleted vn's, paid docs etc) to the table of contents so people could find it faster and understand the lore better.

Not a bad idea, plus it'd make it easier for me to find these things later if I need to reference them.

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Tao Tower Incident 01 RP Logs

Discord logs

Some info about angels and chlorospace

Lore doc by one of the showrunners (even they don't entirely know what's going on)

ERROR: [I DON'T CARE] comic

Info and examples of "sigils"

Mystery panels about Krypto being assaulted

Comic with Argon and Astaroth

Some Eastar character sheets and such

Long comic about Glip banning minors from one of the discord servers

Long comic about Papaya yelling about how minors are evil

Condensed summary of the Art Pyramid RP

Stolas - Phesund artfight pages

Nuez - Deca - River artfight pages

Some info about the 25 hour war

Info about the Althar religions

Charthur/Jasmaby story during the 25 hour war: Nurse to Health

PMD-E wiki, flash backup, some deleted parts

Some random out of context art that hints at lore

Where Samael/Sunbe's stuff shows up

Opa/Tem's personal site with many Flora stories

Interlude: Glip's Discord is Weird

Some more shots from the discord

Full argument between Stolas and Clement

Extremely weird dogpile in the discord about dr. curse being real

Mysterious panels of River and Stolas interacting that seem to be from VNs that never got posted

Stuff Glip confirmed in the apology docs

Some more artfight profiles and misc art

Summary of Vignettes

Seeds concept art book

Clover and Over summary, KEY info gathering

Hidden text in the VNs' code

Hidden text in Arc, Undertown

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Per your Dreamwidth post: "When Marl's bestiality and Glip's complicity in it came out, a lot of attention was paid to these bestality or bestality adjacent comics. I'm surprised some of them are still up, frankly. I know a very long one about some child-sized dragon getting raped by a pack of dogs got taken down." Which one is this? I never heard of it.

It was a Nymlus comic, maybe drawn by them to begin with? I'm not sure, but it was about Nymlus making a delivery in the mountains and being surrounded by a pack of "Maple Dogs", which was a species I think invented for the comic. Nymlus decides to let them all have sex (is that the right word for this?) with her so she can get through the pass safely. I can't remember the name of it though... something to do with maple or delivery maybe? I want to say it was like 20 or so pages. Maybe it's on e-hentai like Mismatch, I haven't gone looking, admittedly.

Edit - Found it, it's on e621 under "Knotted Wood".

It's not clear what KEYs are, it's never explained. >:( We get conflicting information about it and tiny pieces here and there but that's all. Something to do with emotions or angels, maybe?

Kuri is the player for Quixate and a few other characters, they're currently Glip's favorite and they might be dating? They seem very intense about each other anyway.

Was AF2 star savior a game or something? It's unsurprising that Glip would be hanging out with yet more creeps though. Did explode1 disappear or are they still out there? It'd be kind of funny if they were still involved with Glip to this day.

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oh haha yeah I know that trivia to a T. another trivia factoid for you: Beleth and Amdusias cameod in one of the Steven Universe comics (Ongoing Issue 3 iirc, last 15 or so pages). Papaya also appeared in Chicory: A Colorful Tale as a backer character until they got replaced soon after the release of the game.

I remember both of those! The Steven Universe one is very funny considering Glip and co. bullied one of the writers off of Twitter over Pearl liking pie, if I remember right.

The early chapters of Seeds had occasionally oddly dark moments, but it was much more lighthearted than what it turned into. A lighthearted comic turning into a heavy-handed drama was definitely a common theme among webcomics though. Dominic Deegan comes to mind, although I don't know if that was ever about the author's personal drama. I guess after a while the authors/artists wanted to stretch out their dramatic storytelling muscles and it turns out that that requires a different skillset lol.

It looks like I lost your third comment? I don't remember hearing anything about this. If there's anything interesting buried in there let me know.

Right! It's so frustrating!

I do remember hearing about this so I looked into HypnotistSappho and wow, they're a real piece of work. Unsurprising that Glip would be involved with them, and given Glip's history, I think it's unlikely they were completely in the dark about Sappho's interests. I haven't seen any mention of them as a contributor or anything in the main comic, but if any new characters show up it'd be a good idea to keep an eye out for any Sappho tells.

What kind of adventures would Min and Cress have gotten up to? Would Cress kill more people? Would Cayenne be plot relevant? One can only imagine...

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today i found out the creator of that one "i will now buy your game" comic that became a meme was made by Glip, probably one of those weird "trivias" that blew up my mind lmao

That's true, they did!

You can kind of tell if you're familiar with Glip's style. It's weird since I never ran into this meme until I started down this horrible Glip rabbithole. Thing is I do agree with them on this, unnecessary sexual dimorphism in games really ticks me off. Stopped clocks etc.

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In the ForFlora website, there is a strange VN that has that one "semi-MsPaint" artstyle you'll see in the content from the Eastar Islands, but when you get to see the VN, it just has Talwire on the screen with a bunch of incomprehensible text, but its basically like the (old) Circlet of the Sun where Talwire "consumes" the VN (or atleast the frequency the VN takes place), i have zero Idea what is the VN supposed to be, but im assuming its more vent stuff of Glip screaming at people instead of your average pink pool noodle porn

The VN im talking about in specific is "Eastar Islands: Talsam"

Ah, that VN was Routine Maintenance and it got taken down for RL reasons. I'm trying to think of the simplest way to summarize what happened...

There was a person in Glip's server who joined it when they were 12 and were there for years, I usually refer to them as Minor A for privacy. They posted a zine not too long ago detailing some of their experiences in the server, as well as claiming that Glip tried to human traffic them and that they got involved with someone named w0z (who they call the Predator) right after that experience. They were 19 at the time and w0z was quite a bit older if I remember right, unless I'm confusing him with Opa (who also got involved with someone much younger than him).

At one point Minor A opened up about a COCSA experience they had on a bus, to which w0z said that he had assaulted someone on a bus, and that he was worried that he was the kind of person who could have assaulted Minor A on a bus, and that he was afraid of being a sexual predator and having rapey thoughts, if I remember right. He asked Glip to draw rapey art of his sona based on thoughts he was having about Minor A. Later on, and I forget if this was before or after Minor A left the server, w0z wrote Routine Maintenance, where one of the things that happens is that a TALcat doll gets assaulted on a bus. When asked in various places, w0z confirmed that Routine Maintenance was inspired by what happened to Minor A and feelings he had towards them.

When Minor A left, they brought up w0z and how that VN based on their COCSA experience was still on Glip's 18+ porn site. w0z posted a sort of apology admitting that those things were based on Minor A but they'd really encouraged him the whole time and he didn't know it was bad so he wasn't really at fault, although I think he took that down shortly after. Glip, meanwhile, took w0z's side in the affair (unsurprising) and insisted that Routine Maintenance was actually about them and not Minor A and that Minor A was a liar. This became enough of a controversy that Glip finally just took Routine Maintenance down so they wouldn't have to deal with it anymore.

What actually happened in it? I watched it a while back but I honestly can't remember very much. It was very abstract and about one of w0z's characters I'd never heard of before, so I had no idea what they were talking about or what their deal was. I do remember that there was an assault on a bus though, but not the exact specific details of it. I want to summarize it at some point but I'll have to see if I can find an archived copy of it somewhere.

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what bothers me the most in these comics are probably not the out of sequence incomprehensibe stuff (Glip should REALLY make a "next by story order buttom and update the Wiki, i feel like this would confuse less the readers), its the fact that the recents stories (War? is Topside and Eastar Islands) is almost locked in the RP servers, so you dont know most of the stuff

I didn't knew what happened during the Art Pyramid story until i read Phesund's ArtFight page, cuz the whole entire thing is locked into the RP, same goes to the Althar plot wich i still don't know the whole kick other than the story/origin of Stolas (also in the ArtFight page)

I myself would never recomend the viewers to check Glip's cult just for them to see whats going on this weird furry story cuz that would be like swiming in a tank of eels for their whole safety

I think Glip was trying to do the same nature from their past (and controversial) RP group, "PMD-E" considering Floraverse itself is an successor of it, but PMD-E was way more RP focused than Floraverse itself

Glip did made rp related sutff in Flora, like the Gourmet Gauntlet and the Itchy Itchy prompt, but that didn't affect much the story

Its not a hard job for Glip to make a comic (or a vn with hit or miss music) of the RPs, just listing the important stuff, that would be better instead of luring your underage audience to a known cult (and i feel like Glip is desperate for the people to join their predatory cult)

It's deeply frustrating!! I just want to know what happened, even if it doesn't make any sense! But we don't even get that! The Art Pyramid was some huge event and we don't know ANYthing about it, the comic tells us nothing. Not even a hint! It's so frustrating. I think for a while Glip was trying to lure people in with talk of the RP and stories, but now I don't know if they're bothering. They don't advertise their Discords as much anymore, it seems like, although now they have like, five, so maybe that's hard to keep track of.

Glip did say at one point that Floraverse was meant to be a successor to PMD-E, so the similarities there are on purpose. Other people also wrote a lot of PMD-E from what I've been reading on that wiki, so maybe that kept it more on rails.

It wouldn't be that hard to just write a wiki entry for angels! Hellside! Topside! Anything! It can't be that complicated! I wrote all these tl;dr entries and I don't know all the lore, Glip actually knows what it all means!

This is definitely true, people come and go like the wind if they don't get character assassinated first. On one hand, it is good that Biff, Jasmaby, and Charthur mostly avoided Glip's attention, although that also means we don't get see any of them anymore. :/ They were some of the better characters. Cozmo too, I'd like to know what happened to him.

I'm not a mind reader so I couldn't tell you. From what I know, Pengo and Glip always had a stormy relationship, very hot and cold. They've been super intense and weird about each other for ages. Pengo first split ways with Glip over some stupid con drama, they met up in real life and a bunch of awkward nothings happened which they both blew way out of proportion. It was very he said/they said, I don't remember the details now, but that inspired Pengo to write his callout which haunted Glip for ages afterwards. The Angelbox 2 zine has a lot to do with this, mostly Glip yelling at Pengo about how hurt they were by all this.

Pengo did bail when the Marl stuff came out, but he actually came back to Glip during the MSPaint era, near the end of it I believe. If I remember right, he was debating with some of their detractors about how they weren't a bad person and they just needed to get their side of the story. People warned him not to get too close to Glip because he'd just get sucked in again and lo and behold, they were right. Pengo became a shoulder for Glip to cry on about how they were unfairly accused of helping a zoopedo cover up his crimes (which is true, by the way) and then he just stuck around. It's all alluded to in that Undertown comic did a while back.

Assuming Deca's dialogue in The World Egg is just Pengo talking to Glip, he's really in deep lol. I think he really is too sympathetic to Glip in particular, plus I think he had unresolved feelings about them. It's crazy to think about since Marl actually also preyed on Pengo and then Glip sued him for trying to talk about it publically. Kind of like a soap opera, these twists and turns.

I'm not sure if he's involved in the community again or not, I'm not a member of any of the discords. Haven't seen him mentioned in any of the updates for a while, anyway.

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About the jan 6 2026 post on this blog: who's STRANGER?

No idea. It's possible they're someone more infamous among Glip's circle under an alias, but maybe they're just some rando that Glip found who wanted to do some music/singing for them. I'm not sure why Glip would have signed them on though because they're godawful at both of those things. I know I'm in the minority but Glip's music has never really bothered me, it's just solid-enough ambient noise for the most part, but these collabs with STRANGER are so much worse. Maybe Glip can't tell? I guess music is subjective but man the new tracks are really bad.

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I always thought hothead looked more like jasmaby, but I'm going off of the patterns in that one cover art pic for one of the recent comics (War? is Hellside or something iirc)

You mean this shot? I dunno, Jasmaby has such a long neck, it's kind of hard to mistake for anyone else to me. They are wearing similar outfits though.

Who are we talking about here? Nymlus? Jaxi? A few people popped up in Forbidden Flora.

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Really dumb question but is HotHead and Papaya the same character? I'm not saying theyre directly the same but if they're just counterparts, i mean, mostly because of the concept of dreamers (i think), since the critters in flora (most likely topsiders) can have their own angel counterparts like Neon with Neobverse. Mostly because Hothead has a similar body shape of a cat, even wearing Papaya's (and sometimes, Beleth's) clothing, and also the fact that they often hang out with Papaya (both Owel/masked and the Eastar imposter)

And also seeing the first chapter of Try Try Again in wich (white) Beleth has the same bag in the head like HotHead has, i even wonder if they are just a singular character or theres a whole entire species of angels with "spikey bag heads" just like with Dr Toxinuate/Problemedic with the whole "beak angel" species they have + the "hand humanoids"

Again, angels are a whole enigma (not surprising), they're not even mentioned in the species wiki or has their world (i think its called "Nowhere/Elsewhere") even mentioned too. The angels are pretty much such a wasted potential

This is a good question with a fuzzy answer. Papaya and Hothead are "resonant", whatever that means, and it's mentioned that the Mask of the Sun fracturing is what caused Hothead to appear, with the Mask of the Sun being the mask Glip used to show they were self-inserting at the moment. I think it's more that Papaya and Hothead are two sides of Glip more so than two halves of the one whole in the comic. I don't think we've seen anyone else take on the Hothead form, just Papaya.

The connection with Beleth also muddies the waters. Glip also loved self-inserting via Beleth and Jupet, which was essentially what Try Try Again was really about on a meta level. It's possible Baghead Beleth was a precursor to Hothead, given their designs are so similar. They're still tied to Glip though, it all comes down to different facets of Glip.

Nothing about angels is explained! And Glip has no intention of ever changing that! Arrghhh

That's a good point, it SHOULD take place in Trebol but everything moved over to Eastar because drama reasons so gotta shove it in there somewhere. Honestly all the locations look the same so the name attached to them means almost nothing. Art Pyramid could be taking place in Burgertown for all that it mattered. Glip shoves off a lot of the worldbuilding into tl;dr reference sheets that use a ton of jargon without any explanation.

It's such a headache to try and unravel and in the end we don't even get to see most of the stories anyway, they're locked away in RPs and doled out piecemeal in incomprehensible VNs! Arcus is supposed to have a big orrery but I don't remember seeing ANY of that, just people yammering in the school.