i know this isn’t relevant yet, since her song isn’t even out and we’re still dealing with the little homo. but it is urgent. i know that we’re all talking about how amane might hypothetically hurt shidou is she gets an inno, but that is 100% not the most pressing issue with her. if amane gets an inno here, i feel like there’s an incredibly high chance of her killing mappi. her original murder was against someone who RECEIVED medical care, as if she was trying to ‘set it right’ and put things back to ‘how they should be’. even though shidou gave the medical care, mappi is still the one who would’ve died without it. also, such a huge deal was made about the fact that she would die if one more bad thing happened to her. do i think there’s a chance of amane attacking shidou? yes. do i think there’s a much higher chance of her killing mahiru? also yes.
long story short if amane gets an inno then she will try to kill mappi i am like 90% certain, and if that happens, mappi will die. that has been apparent, if something bad happens to her, mappi will die, and no interference from kazui or shidou will stop that. i know we want to help amane, but giving her an inno here will not help her, and it will most likely get mappi killed.
i understand what you mean, mahiru is one of my favorite characters, but honestly? when it comes to amane, i don't really care about anything else. an innocent vote might not exactly help her, but if she gets a second guilty, there will be no hope anymore. this will completely destroy her. she is a twelve year old who was heavily indoctrinated, abused mentally and physically, since basically birth. she will not survive this. i seriously don't want to see a child, even fictional one, going through this insane amounts of trauma. she's already heavily traumatised by her life before milgram and in milgram. even if she would get a final innocent in t3, it would be meaningless. t2 is our only chance at this point. another guilty vote would only make amane more scared, frustrated, isolated, agressive and hostile. besides i assume that adults will probably keep an eye on her. they know she's very angry right now.
also regarding the tags. kazui ruined and wasted someone else's life for rather selfish reasons through lying. it's literally his crime.
i definitely get where your coming from, and when it comes to not wanting to traumatise a child i actually agree very strongly, but i think the issue is that an inno here also won’t help her, like at all. we haven’t seen her trial 2 yet so i am kinda guessing here and it’s (sort of) subject to change, but the fact if the matter is an inno here won’t get trail one amane back. it will affirm her current beliefs, and though we don’t know exactly what they are, her song is called purge march, so i’m guessing they’re not good. i think we messed up by giving her a guilty in the first trial, but we can’t undo that now, so for both amane and everyone else i feel like a guilty would be more helpful. because also, if amane kills mappi, i really can’t see her getting an inno in trial three, like, at all. if amane kills mappi, it would affirm her cult beliefs in a way that couldn’t possibly be undone, she would probably become even more dangerous, and she would probably get a guilty. also also i think killing mappi would probably traumatise amane a lot as well, like, i think no matter what happens amane is getting traumatised.
but also even with that in mind, i can still sort of see why you want to give her an inno. at the point i’m at now, i’m trying to figure out a solution that is the best for every character, but jackalope said it himself, at this point people are gonna start voting to protect their faves, and even if i don’t necessarily agree with your vote, that’s valid. i just think that voting amane inno will harm literally everyone including her
i know this isn’t relevant yet, since her song isn’t even out and we’re still dealing with the little homo. but it is urgent. i know that we’re all talking about how amane might hypothetically hurt shidou is she gets an inno, but that is 100% not the most pressing issue with her. if amane gets an inno here, i feel like there’s an incredibly high chance of her killing mappi. her original murder was against someone who RECEIVED medical care, as if she was trying to ‘set it right’ and put things back to ‘how they should be’. even though shidou gave the medical care, mappi is still the one who would’ve died without it. also, such a huge deal was made about the fact that she would die if one more bad thing happened to her. do i think there’s a chance of amane attacking shidou? yes. do i think there’s a much higher chance of her killing mahiru? also yes.
long story short if amane gets an inno then she will try to kill mappi i am like 90% certain, and if that happens, mappi will die. that has been apparent, if something bad happens to her, mappi will die, and no interference from kazui or shidou will stop that. i know we want to help amane, but giving her an inno here will not help her, and it will most likely get mappi killed.
rewatched cat and noticed something else (that has probably been said before) but the recurring thing through half and cat is the green apple, right? and when the green apple first shows up in cat it’s in a group of red apples, but then falls off, like it’s the odd one out. and after kazui eats the bird and his wife dies, a red apple shows up and gets squashed. also, when kazui is looking at his wife through the glass, she turns into him from half, but with the green apple as the head, implying the green apple represents him. this is pretty much just what is says in his audio drama and what is implied in the video, but it’s the whole idea that kazui is the odd one out in some way, and the red apple represents the normality that he was trying to recreate, which is why it’s the red apple that gets destroyed when he stops lying to his wife.
milgram enjoyers will really see a video that depicts the prisoner in a positive light and be like “this clearly means they think they’re innocent and don’t understand the consequences of their actions. guilty <3”
and then will see a video where the prisoner is painted in a negative light and be like “this clearly shows their true intentions and the truth of the situation— this character is evil and killed this person in cold blood how dare they. guilty <3”
observation made my other people but i just figured i’d weight in on it— the man at the wedding is the bartender from half, that’s been established now. what i’m saying is that this means that it’s likely that kazui and this guy new each other in some way, and we’re likely close (unless he knew his wife, but i feel like that’s unlikely). also, when kazui hits his “hey, so what if i said i liked- liked you? what would you do?” he is. at the bar. we don’t see anyone else in the shot, so it’s likely the bar is empty. so who on earth could he be talking to if not someone else at the bar? well, probably the one person who HAS to be at the bar, aka the bar keeper, aka this man we know he knows, and is likely very close to.
so yeah, i’m still a kazui gay truther case in point, and i haven’t looked at other peoples interpretations too much so i’m probably just echoing what other people have said, but i needed to put it into words
also i think something that milgram fans are having comprehending is that we can’t undo the last vote simply by voting the opposite. they don’t, like, add together. voting inno in the first trial and then voting guilty in the second isn’t gonna achieve a neutral, they’re gonna stack and multiply, so even if in the first round we fucked up and gave a character a verdict that didn’t do good things for their character, the best option isn’t necessarily gonna be voting the opposite this time, and it might actually lead us to a way worse result. like, i think it’d be more productive to think about how their headspace has changed and how that will stack. idk i’ve been thinking abt how we voted muu, and also what we’re gonna vote amane, because honest to god i don’t think an inno is gonna be the best thing for her
watched it’s not my fault again and was compelled to ramble because i am muu’s number one defender. and then i decided that youtube wasn’t enough, and i had to put my ramblings on tumblr, so here they are. if i said anything stupid please don’t make fun of me i am stupid
i’m gonna say it, i’m a muu defender and i think voting her guilty this time was one of the worst decisions we’ve made when it comes to verdicts. yeah, we fucked up a lot in the first trial, but because of the way everything was interlocked it all feels salvageable, and like we actually made the right choices in a couple of places, but i am convinced that voting muu guilty is gonna be awful for us for multiple reasons.
number one, haruka. this boy literally said he’d kill himself if muu got guilty, and though i don’t think he’ll actually kill himself (though i won’t put it past him) i do think it’ll make him super emotionally unstable and someone else may get hurt because of it. also, giving both of them a guilty verdict 100% is just gonna make their codependency get way worse. haruka needed to be voted guilty for obvious reasons (he literally said that he would kill again, or something along those lines) which kinda means that our only other choice would be voting muu innocent, which i stand by we should have done
bringing me onto reason two, i don’t think a guilty verdict will do anything for muu. yes, she is morally grey, and after pain was 100% nor the full story. but, and i am stealing this point from someone else that i cannot remember, is she truly believes herself to be so good, then why does she perceive herself as some sort of insect monster? herself, and everyone around her, aside from the girl she killed (rei? i think her name is rei?) muu speaks to the trope of someone who did something bad, and deep down knows it’s bad, so they just have to commit to it until they stop feeling guilty, because that’s the only way they know how to deal with it. yes, after pain isn’t as cut and dry as it initially appeared, but this isn’t either! like, the vocals when she kills rei(?), she sounds unstable, distraught even, as if she was actually screaming. she doesn’t sound like someone who believes herself to be in the right, she sounds like someone desperately repeating what she thought she believed. and then it goes straight into her questioning ‘hey, what if i’m a bad girl?’ etc. etc. and first off, as someone who doesn’t speak jp i don’t know if this is just the translation, but the wording of it feels very childish, because, news flash, mu is childish. she isn’t some master manipulator, she is someone naive, who’s cultivated toxic relationships her entire life because yeah, she’s spoiled. being spoiled isn’t a crime, and being flawed isn’t unforgivable. yeah, the bullying is really bad, but that doesn’t mean she deserves to be bullied, and notice how pretty much the only thing that is the same in this video as after pain is her desperation when she actually commits the murder? even if we ignore everything in after pain and take everything in this as face value, that desperation is still there. she was still pushed to the brink. muu wants to be innocent, and she wants to be right, because of course she does. she’s a 16 year old who was bullied and killed someone. she was spoiled and doesn’t have any amount of self awareness, and because of it did bad things, but muu is not an evil villain who is solely responsible for all of these bad things. just because she was the ring leader doesn’t mean she has to bear the weight of the bullying that was done, because when she was being bullied, her ‘friends’ were still doing the bullying, aka she was in a really toxic environment. idk i’m kinda just rambling but i have so many thoughts, and this is also something i saw someone else say on tumblr, but i firmly believe that if we continued to vote muu innocent she would eventually break under the pressure of knowing that she wasn’t
which is that she says “don’t try to find proof from after pain” or something, which 100% feels like directly telling us to look back at after pain with what we learn from it’s not my fault and i’m not actually very smart but i still have a couple things to say. also i don’t know what half of the things i have to say mean if they mean anything at all but i feel the need to bring it to someone smarter’s attention
“but i guess some of it is my fault” directly contrasts it’s not my fault, but also does kinda shift the blame— it draws a middle line between after pain seeming extremely innocent vs it’s not my fault seeming really guilty and i would argue does show her true feelings, since she isn’t trying to shift the blame but also isn’t accepting it’s all her fault. i don’t know if this point made sense but i feel like there’s something there
the sand in the hour glass is green, as are the bugs in it’s not my fault. green is a colour associated with envy which makes a lot of sense in after pain as muu is getting bullied, and it shows her being essentially drowned in the envy of those around her, whereas in it’s not my fault muu is shown directly eating the grubs and getting other people to bring them to her.
there are a couple of ways this could be interpreted, one being that it might just be something they wanted to keep consistent throughout the two videos and it doesn’t have any meaning.
but also it could represent something more, such as drama, or something that is related to the connotations of the colour but not a direct representation, which would make a lot of sense in that muu was living off of it, but ended up getting destroyed by it when you look at what we know about her full story so far. also, and this might just be me grasping at straws here, but i feel like it should be noted that muu wasn’t the one collecting the grubs in it’s not my fault, and was instead only eating them, yes she was still partaking but took on a more passive role in the bullying watching over it all. still a bad thing but shows that despite being a sort of ring leader obviously not all of the blame should be put on her
also one more point on this but muu looks like some sort of beetle in it’s not my fault (?) and as it would happen beetles are important to the environment because they monitor the amount of worms or grubs by eating them. again, could mean nothing, but it could also be saying that muu was, in some way, maintaining the peace of the status quo, as if by doing the things she was doing she was keeping everything in line, or something
also i lied i have more to say on this, but when one of the girls doesn’t have an offering for her, she sings “if you want to betray out of jealousy” which seems weird to me because of everything i’ve just said, given the connotations it feels contradictory, which, again, could just be me grasping at straws, but it could also just show that muu really has no idea what a healthy relationship looks like
“if you’re going to make me the villain it’s ok to ignore me” i feel like there’s a lot to be said about this line and i’m not really smart enough to say it but i am going to try anyways. again, this feels similar to the earlier line where it shows that her headspace in it’s not my fault and after pain are more similar than people are assuming, because there’s definitely a bit of self righteousness here, but at the same is a pretty valid point for her to make— if she was the villain the entire time, then the people around her could’ve ignored her and not enabled her behaviour, but instead they thrived off of it, and now are bullying her just like they bullied everyone else
“if it’s endurance i’m used to it, i’m just having another taste of it” could be referring to the fact that the bullying had been going on for a while before she snapped, or could be referring to her life in general. we know that she’s wealthy, comes from a loving family and is pretty much well off, but also as i’ve said before her friendships were all toxic, this could be a similar thing. like, she’s used to dealing with bad things even if they come in a different format, because although she was well off her life was far from perfect because she had horrible friends and wasn’t actually close with anyone
then we get to the bit where the lyrics start getting faster and i feel like there is a lot to be said about all of these but, again, i’m not smart
“post-mortem makeup to hide my heart” and “counterattack being a suicide note” are both interesting to me as i have two things to say on this, one being, was muu considering suicide? they both refer to death, and given how she spoke in the audio drama alongside her behaviour it doesn’t seem unrealistic, however there’s anything thing that i’ve been thinking about that i’m not sure if i’m misinterpreting or not. so at the end of after pain we see muu smiling in the classroom with a flower on a desk, which pretty much means ‘yeah this person dead’, it’d make sense to assume that’s referring to the girl that muu killed given the chronology of it, but in its not my fault when rei is standing in the classroom on her own, the flowers are already on the desk, implying that someone was already dead. rei is also soaking wet, so i feel like this could have two meanings
one, that IS rei’s desk, and she was the one being bullied, this would explain why she’s covered in water, and the flowers would make sense, since leaving flowers on someone’s desk is basically telling that person they should be dead, which yeah seems like pretty typical bully behaviour to me
or, someone had already killed themselves, which would explain the line “counterattack being a suicide note” if people only turned in muu because someone killed themself, then it would explain muu seeing the suicide as a counterattack against her. but also i don’t know how much i believe this because i feel like if someone had killed themself because of muu it would count as a murder she committed, meaning that it would have been referenced at some point by now, but it hasn’t been, so i’m not sure, i just feel like there’s something worth mentioning there. also kinda don’t want this to be true because it doesn’t not help my case fighting for muu to be innicent
going back to it’s not fault, she says “sorry for hurting you, but i’m just doing this because i’m bored” which links to after pain where she says “my sorry spells must be wearing off” which kinda gives me the impression of a lack of self awareness? like, because no one was holding her accountable she thought that what she was doing was ok, and even when she continued doing the same thing people turned on her? idk it kinda just goes back to how she feels childish and inexperienced, and i can only imagine that confusion would make the bullying feel worse for her, as she honestly wouldn’t understand what had changed
also i got this from a youtube comment so it is not my observation, but after she’s killed rei you can hear in the background her repeating the phrase ‘i’m sorry’, with her tone slowly becoming more like she sounds in it’s not my fault, which just again feels like proof that both of the songs are equally true and should be considered in relation to each other instead of separate.
i apologise for the horrible formatting of this post, and also how horrible i was at explaining everything because tbh half of the time i didn’t even know what i was trying to say, and i also encourage any and all muu defenders to explain to me the points that i was trying to make bcs i am 100% convinced you are all smarter than me
watched it’s not my fault again and was compelled to ramble because i am muu’s number one defender. and then i decided that youtube wasn’t enough, and i had to put my ramblings on tumblr, so here they are. if i said anything stupid please don’t make fun of me i am stupid
i’m gonna say it, i’m a muu defender and i think voting her guilty this time was one of the worst decisions we’ve made when it comes to verdicts. yeah, we fucked up a lot in the first trial, but because of the way everything was interlocked it all feels salvageable, and like we actually made the right choices in a couple of places, but i am convinced that voting muu guilty is gonna be awful for us for multiple reasons.
number one, haruka. this boy literally said he’d kill himself if muu got guilty, and though i don’t think he’ll actually kill himself (though i won’t put it past him) i do think it’ll make him super emotionally unstable and someone else may get hurt because of it. also, giving both of them a guilty verdict 100% is just gonna make their codependency get way worse. haruka needed to be voted guilty for obvious reasons (he literally said that he would kill again, or something along those lines) which kinda means that our only other choice would be voting muu innocent, which i stand by we should have done
bringing me onto reason two, i don’t think a guilty verdict will do anything for muu. yes, she is morally grey, and after pain was 100% nor the full story. but, and i am stealing this point from someone else that i cannot remember, is she truly believes herself to be so good, then why does she perceive herself as some sort of insect monster? herself, and everyone around her, aside from the girl she killed (rei? i think her name is rei?) muu speaks to the trope of someone who did something bad, and deep down knows it’s bad, so they just have to commit to it until they stop feeling guilty, because that’s the only way they know how to deal with it. yes, after pain isn’t as cut and dry as it initially appeared, but this isn’t either! like, the vocals when she kills rei(?), she sounds unstable, distraught even, as if she was actually screaming. she doesn’t sound like someone who believes herself to be in the right, she sounds like someone desperately repeating what she thought she believed. and then it goes straight into her questioning ‘hey, what if i’m a bad girl?’ etc. etc. and first off, as someone who doesn’t speak jp i don’t know if this is just the translation, but the wording of it feels very childish, because, news flash, mu is childish. she isn’t some master manipulator, she is someone naive, who’s cultivated toxic relationships her entire life because yeah, she’s spoiled. being spoiled isn’t a crime, and being flawed isn’t unforgivable. yeah, the bullying is really bad, but that doesn’t mean she deserves to be bullied, and notice how pretty much the only thing that is the same in this video as after pain is her desperation when she actually commits the murder? even if we ignore everything in after pain and take everything in this as face value, that desperation is still there. she was still pushed to the brink. muu wants to be innocent, and she wants to be right, because of course she does. she’s a 16 year old who was bullied and killed someone. she was spoiled and doesn’t have any amount of self awareness, and because of it did bad things, but muu is not an evil villain who is solely responsible for all of these bad things. just because she was the ring leader doesn’t mean she has to bear the weight of the bullying that was done, because when she was being bullied, her ‘friends’ were still doing the bullying, aka she was in a really toxic environment. idk i’m kinda just rambling but i have so many thoughts, and this is also something i saw someone else say on tumblr, but i firmly believe that if we continued to vote muu innocent she would eventually break under the pressure of knowing that she wasn’t
guess where i stopped trying to copy the art style
this beat my ass sosososo bad
does he exist just to be shipped with fuuta? no. i put a lot of effort into his personality and backstory. was fuuta a large part of why he was created? perhaps
also i could not for the life of me figure out if the writing on the arms were actual letters or if they were just random symbols so i improvised
also rip the quality i did not die for this (it looks better when you click on it i swear)
i don’t know man i’m mentally ill and cannot consume anything without immediately thinking about milgram so here it is
not proofread btw
“waaaahh.. Muu’s scared…” sobs rang out through the submarine as Muu clutched onto Harukas arm, sniffling dramatically and certainly not doing anything to help with the current predicament, especially the steadily dwindling supply of oxygen.
Although, that being said, Haruka wasn’t in a much better situation. whether it was his empathy of seeing Muu so distraught, or maybe he had finally found value in his own life, he was sniffling quietly, white knuckling the fabric of Muu’s uniform. “i’m sorry.. i’m sorry muu, i’m so sorry..” he repeatedly apologised, practically folding in on himself as he curled up, probably trying to block out the reality of the situation.
kazui sighed, massaging his brow as if his biggest issue was an oncoming headache, and not the fact that he was stranded at the bottom of the ocean. “now now you two, i’m sure we’ll be fine.. ah, and you using up all of the oxygen really isn’t gonna make the situation any better..” his voice was tired, and although he didn’t sound particularly annoyed, or scared, for that matter. actually, he sounded more bemused than anything, having already attempted to start a game of cards about three separate times since they’d received the news they were stranded.
“ugh, as if you’re not using just as much oxygen.. i mean, out of everyone here, you’re definitely the largest.” yuno retorted, biting her thumb and shooting him a glare. her usual bubbly attitude had disappeared roughly half an hour into being stranded, and she was now effectively brooding, not seeming too worried about the prospect of death, but more annoyed that when she did die it would be in a glorified pringles can.
“well, that’s not very nice.” kazui exhaled, doing his best old man pout, before a grin took over his face. “well, if i’m already using so much oxygen, i’m sure no one would mind if i have a smoke?”
yunos expression twisted into one of clear amusement as mahiru gasped next to her, leaning over her and shaking her head very dramatically. “no! you can’t do that! if you did then we really might die!”
“we’re already going to die.” amane shot from across the submarine, legs crossed neatly. “instead of worrying about surviving, you should all start praying to see if a last ditch effort can keep you out of hell. not that i have much hope for you, though.”
“aah, amane-chan, you really shouldn’t be so pessimistic.” shidous smile was tired, however that wasn’t really anything new. his smile was twitching a small amount, serving as the only sign that the situation was getting to him at all. he opened his mouth to say something out, when a rather pathetic whining sound came from the floor next to him.
as if on cue, everyone turned to look at where mikoto was tied up on the floor, tears in his eyes as he attempted to plead for his freedom through the gag.
“don’t you think we could let him out..?” mahiru asked tentatively, averting her gaze in pity.
kotoko shook her head, arms cross in defiance, glaring at his rather helpless figure. “nope. no way. this guys crazy, y’know? if we let him go he might go batshit and try to destroy the submarine, or something, killing all of us.”
“well, if we’re all going to die—“ yuno began to speak, voice flat, before she was interrupted.
“we’re not all gonna die! they’ve sent out search parties for us! they’ve got to— we’re gonna get rescued!” fuuta insisted. although he wasn’t openly crying like muu and haruka, his pale complexion and the fact that he’d threatened to throw up on 5 separate occasions was enough to show that he wasn’t taking the situation well.
yet again, mikoto made another noise, wriggling to look up at fuuta with pleading eyes. fuuta grimaced in response, mumbling an apology under his breath. “cmon, man, you know there’s nothing i can do..”
“we could at least take his gag off..?” mahiru offered, gnawing on her bottom lip.
“no way!” muu shouted tearfully, gasping for breath. “wh- what if he uses up all of the o- the oxygen?!” she sniffs and tightens her grip on haruka, who starts sniffling even louder at her words.
“says you!” fuuta shouted in response, his own voice a little wobbly. “i didn’t even wanna get on this stupid thing! y’know, as soon as we get out of here i’m calling a lawyer!” he declared as he turned to look at es accusingly.
speaking of, es was sitting at the far end of the submarine, white knuckling the xbox controller that fuuta had loaned from his very own gaming setup and staring directly at jackalope.
the group feel silent as they waited for some sort of response, expecting es to defend themself, at least.
“mm. i know.” they murmured, nodding as they spoke, not taking their gaze off of jackalope.
“you know?! then why the hell did you take us on this thing?!” fuuta snapped, clearly not happy with the response.
finally, es looked up, expression unemotive as always. “can you be quiet for a moment? i’m trying to listen to jackalope.”
another brief period of silence descended, with even muu and haruka falling quiet, before muus sobbing picked up once again, this time even more anguished. “our only hope is talking to a rabbit!” she wailed, tilting her head back and sobbing loudly, shaking haruka as she did so.
“n- no way..” fuuta mumbled, shakily lifting a hand over his mouth. “we’re all gonna die… no way…..”
mikoto shuffled across the floor, resting his head against fuutas leg, perhaps in an attempt to comfort him, but more likely in an attempt to wriggle himself free.
“our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name..” amane pressed her palms together, closing her eyes and continuing to pray.
“amane, i really don’t think this is the time—“ shidou began to speak.
“oh my god.. i’m gonna die before ever getting married!” mahiru exclaimed, joining muu and haruka in wailing loudly, clutching onto yuno who patted her head with a limited amount of sympathy.
“look at it this way, marriage is for losers.” she nodded wisely, to which mahiru only began to cry louder.
kazui spoke up against the cacophony of sobs, an easy smile still fixed on his face. “so, how about some black jack?”
“i refuse to die with these idiots!” kotoko snapped, climbing to her feet and hoisting a bat over her shoulder.
“wah— hey, where did she get that from?!” fuuta exclaimed, shuffling back words and staring up at her in a mix of shock and terror. mikoto clearly shared the sentiment from his muffled yell, although it was impossible to make out much more.
it was only when kotoko started walking towards the singular window that everyone else realised what she was planning to do.
“kotoko, no! we’ll all die!” shidou attempted to reason as he stumbled to his feet, his legs no doubt having gone numb from sitting down for so long.
kotoko lifted the bat up, expression determined, before swinging it at the window.
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