I’m finally saying it because the hypocrisy is rotting my brain.....
How are some of you out here shipping 2doc, a dynamic literally built on a decade of canon physical and mental abuse, and then turning around to scream at anyone who likes 2nu???
If your argument for 2doc is "Murdoc changed!! 🥺" then surely you can grasp the concept of Noodle also... changing? You know, by becoming a thirty-year-old woman.
I’m talking Phase 3 through Phase 8. Two adults who actually trust and care about each other vs. the guy who literally : ran 2-d over TWICE, mentally and physically abused him, taunted him, LOCKED HIM IN AN UNDERWATER BASEMENT WITHOUT HIS PAIN MEDICATION THAT HE NEEDS BECAUSE OF MURDOC, GOT WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, TRIED TO GET WITH HIS OTHER GIRLFRIEND.. the list goes on.
I'm not trying to say that 2doc shippers are villains or anything but it genuinely makes no sense to me. Especially how people are attacking 2nu shippers over literally nothing.
Especially because, 2nu was not okay pre-pb, 2doc was CERTAINLY not okay from p1-p5 atLEAST. i know people argue that Murdoc went to jail and got better, and I know he isn't plainly abusive anymore but he's still very capable of being nasty.
Thanks for reading (this kind of turned into a rant but it's okay)
also PLEASE DON'T attack me over this, i know you want to go typing up in the comments but if you're going to respond please do not respond passive aggressively or rudely. I will not read it if so. <3
Do you know why people scream at 2nu shippers? Is because they raised her FROM A CHILD. They found an orphan child. Took her home and raised her, why would she date her parental figures??
Also, it's not the same as comparing it to 3doc because 2d and murdoc made peace you can't change the fact noodle was a child when she found them. YES 2doc is toxic, NO I don't like it, but that's dosent make 2nu justified???
Also "2nu was never okay befor plastic beach" so what as soon as a girl becomes of age she's magically going to want to date the people who raised her?
Growing up isn't the same as a bad relationship, please both ships are nasty but ONE (2DOC) has changed, so it isn't, 2nu can't change
I feel like my point got lost so let me just be clear: I don't ship 2nu and I'm NOT trying to justify it.
But the hypocrisy in the fandom is what’s bothering me. How can people say 2nu is 'nasty' because 2-D helped raise Noodle, but then say 2doc is fine because 'Murdoc changed'? It's comparing two people knowing each other for ages to a dynamic where one person literally ran the other over twice and abused him for YEARS. I'm not trying to justify 2nu, i'm trying to say BOTH OF THEM ARE FUCKING NASTY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW 2DOC SHIPPERS THINK 2NU IS BAD WHEN THEY ARE BOTH HORRIFIC SHIPS
Both ships are messy for different reasons and honestly, they both just feel wrong to me. I’m not defending either one, I just don’t get how people can act like their ship has the moral high ground when it's built on a decade of canon abuse.
Can we just let them be bandmates? I think most of these ships just need to go 😭
Murdoc has changed, it has been 25 years scince the start of the band someone can change in that time, he's not the same person still and forever, I do get your point and I do agree with you. Both ships are bad, but not in the same way because they aren't the same type of relationship and that's why it isn't fair to compare them, that's just my issue
You can't compare them because one deals with abuse that has been resolved and the abuser has changed over 25 years. But you can't change the fact noodle was raised by them and views them as parental/family figuers that's why I'm saying you can't compare it, it's not fair??
I get your point and I agree with you but just don't compare them because you literally can't?? You can say you hate the ships or all ships. That's fine. It's just when you put two uneaqually bad ships against eachother it's not correct???;
I'm tryibg to explain the best I can but yes both are shitty, 2doc isn't as bad as it used to be but STILL IS Bad, even just a little bit and no one should like noodle x band because it's horrible. We good
yeah imma have to dissect this
Do you know why people scream at 2nu shippers? Is because they raised her FROM A CHILD. They found an orphan child. Took her home and raised her,
im speaking of 2d and murdoc here, how would 2 white men who:
never travelled outside england,
dont know a lick of japanese
are notorious for neglecting/abusing their children
confirmed to be mentally 10 (in 2d's case)
were murdoc (yknow, someone who bragged about assaulting women/dogs and regularly stripped nude infront of noodle, was the reason noodle wanted to leave in the first place .etc)
raise a unilingual child who spent like 3 year tops (in intervals) with them, didNOT call them her dads in fact (you can literally check their official interviews, she even denied this in phase 5) and who they presumed would never return post phase 1 and/ assumed she died (thats 2 years into phase 2)
was never planned to be their daughter
nor the fact the orphan Noodle ever thought of gorillaz as her actual home despite spending roughly 2 years with them at that point:
repeated in phase 4:
whats more (unlike how many white g fans like to ignore) she was actually well learned in her country's culture, philosophy and religious values (like keeping shrines in her room / spouting buddhas teachings) . how exactly did those VERY responsible white men instill these values? (i cant even credit russel in this aspect here actually, since he follows completely different ideals but he DID play a responsible big bro role)
why would she date her parental figures??
idk what kind of parental figures you think they are but Noodle would NOT end up so well adjusted if she were their child LMAO
nor would 2d question if they're dating... or murdoc would get turned on by her choking if they were written to have raised her:
Also, it's not the same as comparing it to 3doc because 2d and murdoc made peace
would you say the same if 2d was a woman?
you can't change the fact noodle was a child when she found them.
her childhood ended 17 years ago, of which she spent less than 5 years and that too in intervals lasting years (so you cant even apply the Westermarck effect here lol)
Also "2nu was never okay befor plastic beach" so what as soon as a girl becomes of age she's magically going to want to date the people who raised her?
tbf a majority of 2nu speculations i see are well into phase 4-5 (aka 25-28 years old noodle) mostly because 2d and noodle couldn't even get the chance to properly hang out because pirate attack lol
Growing up isn't the same as a bad relationship, please both ships are nasty but ONE (2DOC) has changed, so it isn't, 2nu can't change
no really, will you say the same if 2d met (32 year old) murdoc as a 19 year old, mentally childish girl instead of a 19 year old mentally childish twink and suffered years of physical and mental abuse to the point she was suicidal at one point. Would you still call 2nu worse or say 2doc is not equal/if not more problematic than whatever preconceived fandom notion you have of 2nu?
