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tagged by @sweetmoosebaby . thank you!!!

shuffle your 'on repeat' playlist, post the first ten tracks , then tag ten people.

2. Lilac Wine - Jeff Buckley

1. Downfall - Noah Kahan

3. Tulsa '67 - Brody Grant, Sky Lakota Lynch, Original Broadway Cast of The Outsiders - A New Musical

4. Stay Gold - Sky Lakota Lynch, Brody Grant, Original Broadway Cast of The Outsiders - A New Musical

5. Run Run Brother - Joshua Boone, Brody Grant, Sky Lakota Lynch, Original Broadway Cast of The Outsiders - A New Musical

6. Jet Song - Mike Faist, Kyle Coffman, Kevin Csolak etc

7. Hopeless War - Emma Pittman, Brody Grant, Original Broadway Cast of The Outsiders - A New Musical

8. 500 Miles - Peter, Paul and Mary

9. Last Goodbye - Jeff Buckley

10. First Date / Last Night - Lindsay Mendez, Derek Klena

so much of the outsiders... I have a good music taste i promise, its just been taking over me lately

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1. Evergreen (You dont deserve me at all) — Omar Apollo

2. Candy Necklaces — Lana del rey

3. Bad Reilgon — Frank Ocean

4. Spectre— Radiohead

5. Thursday girl—Mitski

6. Witches Rave — Jeff Buckley

7. Perdeme— Miguel

8. 7 words—Deftones

9. Vueltas— Not for radio

10. Letter home—Childish Gambino

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how does randy act morally superior?? do you even get the point of the book

I’ve actually been meaning to discuss this…and seeing as you (and I know it’s just you) have left about 5 asks telling me you think my takes are ass, I’d like to explain my pov.

In the outsiders:

Randy’s moral superiority comes from recognizing the emptiness and useless violence (specifically and greasers and Soc’s), while also never separating himself from it. After Bob dies, he tells Pony he’s sick of it, and that the violence doesn’t solve anything (which, does make him a little more self%-aware than most Socs).

But. That’s kinda undermined by the fact that he sticks with Bob until the very end. He goes along with his behavior, including when Bob jumps Johnny, and when they try to drown Pony. He never tries to stop it. His reflection ONLY comes after he gets hit with real consequences. Randy sees himself as better than the people around him, more thoughtful, but he actively benefits and is complacent in the system. He can say all he wants and talk all this talk…but would he ever be friends with a greaser? Especially before Bob was killed? Did he stick his head out to save Pony or Johnny? No. He talks all this talk about knowing the right way, but refuses to actually do anything.

From what I’ve seen, A similar idea appears in That Was Then, This Is Now (never read it), where characters begin to recognize the damage caused by their environment and act as though they’ve outgrown it before truly changing their behavior. Like those characters, Randy adopts a tone of quiet judgment and detachment, even though he has not taken full responsibility for his past actions.

Randy’s moral superiority is not entirely false, he IS more aware, but it’s incomplete, because he distances himself from the problem without ever fully confronting his role in it.

And yeah, I get the point of the book. This IS the point of the book. Everyone’s a problem, to an extent. There’s the people actively participating, like Bob or Dallas. And there’s the people who clearly know there is a problem, but refuses to do anything to solve it. Everyone is complacent in one way or another. I’m not saying he’s the only morally ehh character, but you can’t talk about him without admitting it. And a LOT of Randy fans like to act like he was ‘the good one’, when again, he was there for a lot of the rougher moments and decided to stand safely and watch, because it didn’t affect him. He ONLY talked to Pony when he was finally given consequences for his actions.

And I feel like I always have to mention this….obviously you can like Bob or Randy, whatever…I just thinks it’s rich that even in a book specifically about the struggles a group of greasers face, some still manage to focus purely on the rich white guys who have been PROVEN to be douchebags.

There’s my soapbox 🥹

fuckyoueugene

The author of the book herself has said that the point is everybody is an outsider. Yes, it is about the struggle of the Greasers, but the Socs too go through things, albeit not as extreme.

No one argues that Randy would be friends with a Greaser before. Because he wouldn't. None of the Socs like Greasers, and prior to Bob's death, Randy hated them too. The whole point is Bob's death MAKES him realise. He thinks he's better before Bob's death, because that's all he's ever been taught.

I have so many thoughts on this, and I think people who hate Randy are unjustified. Even hating Bob, is a bit extreme.

People need to get reading comprehension skills.

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A more formal response since you wanted to whine on my strawpage about it

I want to start this saying what I already said. The outsiders is POLITICAL!!! You need to look at some of these things politically.

#1, the thing about SE is a MAJOR oversimplification of what she actually said. You’re saying she claims the book’s whole point is “everybody is an outsider,” but if we’re referncing the 2017 interview (where I assume you’re pulling this from). She says she was angry about her own schools social situation at her Highschool, and the story began after her friend was beaten on his way home. She says she wanted to write realistic teenage life from her POV. The reason I’m bring that up is because the book is not just vaguely “both sides suffer”. It begins from class conflict and violence (mostly by teh socs). Like, yes, teh Soc’s are humans too. But the book is literally rooted in the greasers being targeted.

Also saying my none of the Soc’s like greasers at all is just…false? What about Cherry and Marcia? They show a liking towards Johnny, Pony, and Two-Bit (and Dallas if you count that) before bobs death. Literally their purpose is to break Pony’s view that all Socs are faceless enemies. In the literal spark it’s of the book it says Cherry “gets along well with some of the greasers” and she likes pb&j bc they are polite. So saying “none of the Socs like Greasers before Bob’s death” is just wrong.

Besides, so many Randy fans love to put him as the good one. Just look up how much content is made of him and Pony magically becoming friends or dating after the whole ordeal.

Randy is not just “taught wrong” (which is the babying excuse a lot of soc defenders love to say). he actively participates in the violence. He was present when Johnny was being beaten. He knows how his friends are and helps them. He even goes with Bob to scare PB&J both times (at the drive in, and at bobs death). And I need I remind you he isn’t five years old? He knows damn well what he’s doing. Why do you think all of the times the greasers are being attacked is at night and in private? They KNOW they’re doing wrong and they KNOW they should be getting in trouble for it.

Also another issue I have with Randy and Bob is how they treat Cherry and Marcia. They are utter douchebags. They do things that make their girls uncomfortable, act super possessive and downright abusive to them (especially in the musical adapatation). And laugh off and bitch about their uncomfort.

And yes, Randy does change some after Bob dies. But he’s not magically some softy like you’re making him out to be. The spark notes literally call Randy a bully who thinks greasers are hoodlums. All Bobs death makes him do is make him lose interest in actively fighting, which I think most of agree is out of fear that he will be next. Randy is not some passive bystander.

And you know what, I think him only changing after Bob dies is PART OF THE ISSUE!!! He only starts to see the greasers as real people after he faces some consequence! He is selfish! He doesn’t care about hurting other people until he is hurt too.

And Bob isn’t some misunderstood baby. He is more humanized after death, yes. Cherry loved him. Randy grieves him. He’s a real guy with friends and family. But Bob still did terrible things.

SparkNotes’ Bob analysis says Bob is “violent and possessive,” and that he badly beat Johnny (the cheek scar, I’m sure we all remember). And a side tangent I’d like to remind you that he and Randy and some others beat Johnny (a kid who has been beat and tossed around his whole life) literally TERRIFIED to the point it change his personality and that he was constantly in fear. Nobody should be absolved of a crime like that. That’s why I think the whole “hating Bob is extreme” is not some objective truth that we should all smile and nod for. Bob’s violence should have consequences, alongside Randy’s.

And still, Randy’s whole “realization” is incomplete. Randy does change some, sure. But he isn’t an Angel. He even reminds Pony that he still thinks there are necessary seperations between the two classes with the whole “Greasers will still be greasers and Socs will still be Socs” nonsense. He wholeheartedly believes that the two classes are stuck inside those identities and does absolutely nothing to fight it, and continues to benefit..

That is not the worldview of someone who has unlearned class prejudice. It is more like him saying the fighting is pointless because the system won’t change. That’s a bitter realization, sure, not a noble one that absolves him of all he’s done.

And when Randy asks Ponyboy why he saved the children from the burning church! he says he “can’t believe that a greaser would do anything like that.” That is pretty damning if you ask me. Even after this he still believes that greasers are these nasty creatures who aren’t really capable of being noble people. Even after the church fire, Randy is still literally shocked by the idea that a greaser could be heroic. No less a greaser he helped beat the shit out of for no reason!

And finally, the biggest theme of the outsiders to me is actually empathy. Se Hinton is saying that the Soc’s are humans, but that doesn’t excuse all that they do. And I somewhat disagree with how she phrases things bc I don’t think occasional struggles mean that someone isn’t a bad person. Bob and Randy literally brutalized two younger teens, several times. They were literally trying to drown Pony for talking to Cherry and Marcia…once!

Sure, their struggles matter. But so does the harm they did to other people. Like Johnny being beaten and Pony nearly dying. The greasers poverty and lack of protection matters too! Becuase at the end of the day Bob and Randy usually got to go home smiling and grinning. Maybe Bob and Randy aren’t some perfect Villian, but most aren’t!

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Yeah..ok, this is all refuting the point of the book. You are forgetting one vital thing : these are all children that have grew up in a mindset that takes time to unlearn. You are allowed to dislike a character, obviously, it is your own opinion but these characters aren’t made to be a moral scale of ‘good’ and ‘bad.’ Infact, part of the book is Ponyboy realizing this black-and-white mindset is harmful. You talk about soc defenders using the excuse of the environment they grow up in, and therefore that making them bad—but you are forgetting, that we see a particularly bad side of ‘socs’ because we are reading everything from a greasers perspective. If the book was written from Bob’s hypothetical younger brothers side, we would have harsher opinions on the rest of the boys, Dallas especially. While we see the harmful sides of what Bob and Randy have done, we don’t see that of any of the greaser boys. This occurrence is a common thing from both sides, a endless circle of voilence that needed to break. In the car, we see Randy say things that could be flawed. He is also realizing these things at the same time as Ponyboy: soc, or greasers, they are all people and have their own individual selfs. The environment they grew up is VERY important to them as people, and if you’d ignore that you are completely refuting the point of the outsiders.

Bob and Randy didn’t do anything that the greasers weren’t also doing. Dally, Steve, Twobit, any of the Shepards or Brumley boys could have the same point brought up aganist them. And if the book was from the other side, it would be. We can run in circles on which side is ‘good’ and ‘bad’ but it isn’t going to ever bring an answer (because neither is one of these things)

I’d even say the outsiders ISN’T political, but is instead societal. It is refuting a social issue that SE hinton was living in every day. But that’s not the issue rn…as a baseline, you don’t have to like every character but what i’m reading is just willful ignorance.

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if anyone wants to join an outsiders roleplay server…yes i have one this server will go through the events of canon and most characters are open(cherry, twobit, steve, randy and bob are taken with mains) heres the link https://discord.gg/grRWEwb9c JOIN up we want this server to be pretty literate and like serious so like. if your looking for a server that isnt just brainrot and is active join up…we are especially looking for a dally and a soda 🥹🙏 and oc opportunities

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#the outsiders #ponyboy curtis #sodapop curtis #johnny cade #the outsiders roleplay #dallas winston

DUST BOWL ETHEL CANE dally/sylvia fic..a little rushed but for @mayday-molly81 i hope you like it oh yeah also this depicts the characters in a way that is. not slandering i love them all no one is the villain

He’s screaming parties over go the fuck home

Slyvia has never been into pretty boys. She likes the ugly, angry way about her boys. The type that gets sick with jealousy, even if that jealousy’s nothing but an ego trip.

Dallas Winston was everything wrong with this world. Sleeping at a drunk cowboys house, on a regular Wednesday yelling at hoods and drunks alike to go the fuck home so he can sleep, while Sylvia sits on the bar laughing to herself.

The darker the fruit the sweeter

He’s got all kinds of stories to tell. An east coast boy, who lived in the streets of New York and had been forever hardened by all that he’s seen. All of her girls say to stay away, Sandy, who loved her boys nice and soft, stood consoling her one night after she and Dally got into a fight over Tim Shepard.

“Why d’you even stay with someone like that, Syl’?” Her eyebrows furrowed, “He’s got nothin’ to his name but dark stories and an ego.”

But Slyvia always thought that’s what’s worth the most in this life, the stories you have to tell. Being someone worth listening to. And when Sandy told her she’d cheated on nice and beautiful Sodapop Curtis, she figured Sandy agreed.

The meaner the better.

He’s mean, I’m meaner

Sylvia’s never been an angel. Ask Steve Randle, and she’s the devil personified. Some things are all about cost return.

When Dallas says she’s nothin’ but an ungrateful whore, with his boys backing him, she’ll show him what an ungrateful whore looks like. Dally loves to act like she owes him any sort of loyalty while he’s locked up. She can’t name a time she’s visited, or written to him.

Dally’s soft on people he shouldn’t be. She hates seeing it. The way he babies that Johnny Cade makes her roll her eyes because she ain’t never babied anyone. She doesn’t know what that’s like. Little Angel Shepard’s the close she’s ever gotten to that feeling, and that kid is worse off for having her there.

She’s always the one to take it too far. She’ll admit coming onto Cade was a little too much, but it was real funny, the way he’d blushed.

My baby says he's not afraid of that

I say your right in a way

One day, they were lying in bed together at Buck Merrill's shack. It was just barely bright outside, light barely shining through the windows. Dally’s curtains were black, but teared around the edges. His arm is thrown over her side, while she blows cigarette smoke into the still air.

Amidst that thick air, she cuts through. “You think I’m a slut, Dallas?”

“Yeah.” He deadpans easily, not even sparing her a glance.

“Fuck you, then!” She growls, maneuvering out from under his grip. He just groans, rolling his eyes.

“Since when did you care about that shit?”

“Since all your friends wanna go run around sayin’—“

“Who gives a fuck?! I don’t give a fuck!”

Dally lashes out often. Whenever something's even slightly bothering him, it’s everyone else’s problem. It’s juvenile in a way. Sylvia’s anger was never juvenile. Maybe that makes it worse to live in.

And he was kind of right. She wouldn’t care that Steve Randle and Twobit Mathews were running around sayin’ she’s a crazy slut half the time. They were both nothing but stupid, going nowhere but down the street.

“If it’s so simple, then tell him to shut up. Easy.”

“Jesus christ—okay.” Dally caves, burying his head into his pillow. She slots next to him again.

I’m too good for you, and it makes me need it even more

Sylvia learned what she was to boys early on in her life. The good ones, anyhow. Her mama had long told her about the hoods by then, who wanted nothing but a girl who’d shut up and nod along to everything they said. Boring girls, who painted a nice picture and raised beautiful, boring, babies. Sylvia was the ‘forbidden fruit.’ The type of girl their mothers would warn them about, ‘snakes who want nothin’ more than to hold you back.’

It didn’t matter if she could’ve been a good, sweet girl. They’d made up their mind. Just as they did with Sandy. A sweet girl who got stuck on the wrong side of the tracks, no matter how many times she ends the night with a boy that ain’t sweet, nice, gorgeous Sodapop. Slyvia’s not sure which is worse.

She knows she could do better than Dally. Even in this town, that’s branded her as nothing but a snake. But Dally’s more than a snake. He’s an asshole at best, and his face never exactly made up for it.

He’s just mean. He’s mean and doesn’t care about her past the drama of being the boy who got cheated up while he was spending months in the cooler. Sandy always told her Soda was kind of obsessed with her, and she loved that. It was ‘cute’, she said.

Wasn’t so cute anymore. Her and Dally could’ve been something great, in a way that Sodapop and Sandy could never be. They were real—feeling that, watching as Dally gets locked up for the tenth time and thinkin’ nothing but about how(or who) you’ll spend your next two months with. She’d never thought about the day she wouldn’t have that nagging blonde in her ear, complanin’ through every inch of his life.

It only occurred to her long after the dumbass got shot in a field, followed by six cops who’d showered the air in bullets. They’d held nothing back, wanted to do the state a favor and make sure he was gone.

Even when she found out he'd died from Tim, she gave a tight shrug.

“It was bound to happen.” She hums, licking the corner of a sheet of rolling paper as she sits on the Shepard couch. The only indication she cared had been the slightest flinch in her jaw.

“He was a real stupid piece of shit.” Tim grins to himself.

Nothing else is said. She only nods again, and they split a joint in honor of Mr. New York. She pretends that later, she's not stayin’ up remembering wakin’ up to slamming on her door, demanding to be let in or the angry letters sent to her house from prison.

The ‘good’ times were few and far between, but she could give one thing to him. Dallas Winston was as mean as everyone said he was.

It felt like she was missing that excitement, if not him. And if the roles had been reversed? Would he be sharin’ a joint with his friends, toasting for her?

Fuck no.

#dallas winston #sylvia the outsiders #the outsiders

modern ponyboy would be getting preformative male allegations(an agenda pushed by bryon douglas) AND IT WOULD MAKE HIM MAD ASF he goes home SODA there doing it again 😾😾😾 steve and twobit would get him a matcha after hearing abt this and its the worst day of his life

#the outsiders #ponyboy curtis #god forbid a white boy enjoy a good book and a sunset

wait hello i saw you in the comments for the darry homophobic thing... do you by any chance remember the fic that we both read lol because im trying SO hard to find it it was a masterpiece

LET ME LOOK FOR IT. its like a fever dream😭😭. i dont remeber the name i dont think they used any real tags its been AWHILE since i read it didnt darry like beat the shit out of him than kick him out soda came home mid argument and was like ponyboy hes right. you must leave😭😭 GOODLUCK ON UR SEARCH if u find it send it to me..

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I fear y'all read my post about Two-Bit's alcoholism very extremely wrong

Unlike some of you, I don't equate alcoholism and class status with moral failing.

Every character in The Outsiders is very complicated, and that's kind of the point. Two-Bit has a good heart. His alcoholism is 100% a problem, as is his laziness. But to say he's no better than Johnny's dad who beats the hell out of him is actually very concerning.

Yes, Two-Bit didn't tell Darry about Pony being sick. But pony begged him not to. And Two literally felt guilty about it after the fact.

Two-Bit cussed out Johnny's mom at the hospital, in Johnny's defense.

Two-Bit wanted to drive down to Texas to look for Pony and Johnny when they ran away.

But all of that goes away because he's an alcoholic? Really?

Two's character is a reflection on very real issues that people like him faced. The system set him up for failure, despite the fact that he probably could have been "better" if his environment allowed that. Which is the point of the book.

The point I was trying to make is that the fandom just looks at two-bit as haha funny guy, but there's so much more to him as a character and as a person.

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People forget to consider nuances in these conversations that are literally vital to having them like its the 60s and they are poor in the south. Drinking is heavily influenced and cultrized and not viewed with the same weight that it is now, and obviously if twobit, similarly to bob grows up around alcohol and is never taught anything aganist it other than the psa shit and has a disposition to addiction he is gonna GET ADDICTED. tbf even to the characters themselves this issue is normalized as just a way of life, laughed at etc in culture but i see your point dw..let him be the funny one and also let him be the teenager struggling who isnt a perfect comedian. a product of his environment

anyone who is in the outsiders fandom and also played life is strange two..i have a fic idea brewing with like light concepts from life is strange but council would be appreciated LOL i would love to converse with someone over this. so many like options and idk which one works BEST 😭😭😭 sean diaz my son

#the outsiders #life is strange 2

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