[idly-makes-stories]

Would the non-aging effect of cainite vampirism affect one's brain chemistry and psychological development? Because if your neurons can't shift and change properly then shifts in mental state (positive or negative) would be really slow and require more effort long term. That would partially explain why it's so hard to rebel against the Beast and stay on the path of Humanity long term.

It'd also go a long way in explaining why kindred are just Like That in general. 'Cause let's be honest there's no real way for the embrace to not be mentally traumatic and trauma very much affects the human brain. So instead of that Ventrue just being a petulant ass because Ventrue it could be that despite the embrace they're still basically in their early 20's and their brain isn't really developing even after a century. Instead it's stacking trauma on top of unhealthy coping mechanisms like a lasagna made of mental illness until they snap.

[modern--nights]

[idly-makes-stories]

Would anyone have ideas for how hunters would go after gangrel specifically? So far all I've been able to think of is pursuit tactics and to have them open fire on any wolves that show up because even if it ain't a vampire it's still invasive where my game is set.

[idly-makes-stories]

Here's an idea. What if one were to use a table to keep a general track of where characters would fall in Triat alignment. Where you could have one as primary and one as secondary but balancing the third is rare.

So a Gangrel and Tremere might both be of the Wyrm but the Gangrel might have a lot of the Wyld about them; because Gangrel. The Tremere though, will probably have a larger slant towards the Weaver if they deal with technological magic enough. This could create room for interesting mechanics where a character with enough leaning in one direction could shift in characteristics similarly to the Black Spirals or a powerful Mage. Not sure how it'd affect mechanics but it sounds fun in concept.

[clockworkentropyarchived]

We are all self made. Only those that are happy with where they are tend to admit it.

[lostgangrel]

This is false. The child of an oil baron has their place made for them by workers exploited by their father. The child of a slave has their place made by the whips and chains of the oppressors. One is not a better craftsman of their life than the other just because they are given a better workshop to build in.

[clockworkentropyarchived]

We are not shaped by our circumstances, but our reactions to them. An oil barrons son can make the wrong choices in life and end up homeless.

Just as a slave can make the correct choices in life to raise their station to something no one considered possible.

Does one have an advantage over the other sure. But if can not take ownership of yourself and your fate then someone else will. Most people just float along. Letting others dictate their fate.

They are still self made.

[idly-makes-stories]

As an idea I can appreciate this and I do know of instances where great changes in social standing like you're describing has happened. However the actual framework that a society puts in place has way more impact than you seem willing to acknowledge. We should probably take a moment to look at the actual probability of those shifts happening as well.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Werewolves: nooo dont throw trees :(((

Also werewolves: LETS BURN SHIT DOWN TO THE MOTHERFUCKG GROUND EYYYY

[idly-makes-stories]

Not an inaccurate statement but most of them will at least have reasons to burn things.

[idly-makes-stories]

I believe we need a word for "when you're not wrong but you're still being an asshole"

[angelsdrinkblood]

How are you guys doing? My night's been pretty slow.

[thebrojah]

same! im trying to do less wandering around alone because apparently its “dangerous” and “worries my coterie”

[midnight-blue-blood]

Please only die in service to the domain. Thank you. 

[thebrojah]

i mean, if i get killed by some random sabbat while im like, playing hopscotch, i feel like that still counts as in service to the domain, since i will be dying fighting the sabbat???

like, im not exactly playing chicken with the sunrise atm

[idly-makes-stories]

For what it's worth dying in an ambush does technically count as dying in battle. Bit of a stretch in definitions though.

[idly-makes-stories]

A fun little tip for vampire characters born in or around colonial America is that "yankee" was actually an insult back in the day for colonists who were seen as unrefined or uncivilized. Even in the modern U.S. it's still really not okay to call someone that depending where you are. So having an english NPC casually call someone a "yank" or some other version of the term and running into trouble because that person was born in 1754 and still has a bone to pick may lead to some interesting in game moments.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wat were humans before humans. Wat were vsmpires when not humans? Wat about the 7 dsys if creation? The garden? ;;;^;;;

[idly-makes-stories]

I personally believe that if Cain and the Book of Nod were ever disproven we'd find that the ancestors of vampires were just really emo werewolves.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wats older anyways. Werewolves or vampires

[idly-makes-stories]

Probably werewolves but it depends whether you want to count werespiders as vampires.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Whot

[idly-makes-stories]

I mean, most insects are older than most mammals. Also be glad the spiders didn't win World War Werecreature because they are trippy and they are scary

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

There are more eere creatures than just wolfs?????

[idly-makes-stories]

Yeah, mostly in asia now because the wolves decided one day a long time ago to just fight all of them. And succeeded. Except with the sharks, but that doesn't mean they never tried.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wat were humans before humans. Wat were vsmpires when not humans? Wat about the 7 dsys if creation? The garden? ;;;^;;;

[idly-makes-stories]

I personally believe that if Cain and the Book of Nod were ever disproven we'd find that the ancestors of vampires were just really emo werewolves.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wats older anyways. Werewolves or vampires

[idly-makes-stories]

Probably werewolves but it depends whether you want to count werespiders as vampires.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Whot

[idly-makes-stories]

I mean, most insects are older than most mammals. Also be glad the spiders didn't win World War Werecreature because they are trippy and they are scary

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wat were humans before humans. Wat were vsmpires when not humans? Wat about the 7 dsys if creation? The garden? ;;;^;;;

[idly-makes-stories]

I personally believe that if Cain and the Book of Nod were ever disproven we'd find that the ancestors of vampires were just really emo werewolves.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wats older anyways. Werewolves or vampires

[idly-makes-stories]

Probably werewolves but it depends whether you want to count werespiders as vampires.

[ventrue-in-control-archieve]

Wat were humans before humans. Wat were vsmpires when not humans? Wat about the 7 dsys if creation? The garden? ;;;^;;;

[idly-makes-stories]

I personally believe that if Cain and the Book of Nod were ever disproven we'd find that the ancestors of vampires were just really emo werewolves.

[idly-makes-stories]

Brujah to the Prince: If you think you're so badass why don't you prove it?!

The Seneschal as the Prince gets out of their chair:

[idly-makes-stories]

Toreador: Are you even capable of taking a joke?

Ventrue: No.

Toreador: ...Well I'm glad to have cleared that up.

[idly-makes-stories]

I like to think the idea of civil, borderline passive Ventrue is only really a thing among corporate neonates. Because the whole idea of the "Clan of Kings" kind of comes with a martial tradition of war and dueling that is much older than boardrooms and tailored suits.

And the further back you go the less true that stereotype is. Even in the States, "talk shit get hit" had legal precedent in the form of fighting words until dueling was outlawed in most of the union. So if your Brujah walks into Elysium and starts to get a bit too fresh with the Prince you just might get wrecked by one of the primogen just to prove a point.

[idly-makes-stories]

Toreador Neonate: *Reading The Prince* I don't like that so many manuals on political manipulation exist.

Ventrue Elder: Well knowing how the game of power works is important since we're all in it whether we want to be or not. Especially we Cainites.

Toreador Neonate: Well what if I choose not to play?

Ventrue Elder: Then you'll end up as a murder hobo for the rest of eternity.

Toreador: Like the Gangrel?

Ventrue: Like the Gangrel.