Igutoso

Idk i’m just here lmao

[igu834]

the uchiha acquiescing to a lack of representation in konoha in response to hashirama's goodwill is a direct prallel to nagato, obito, and sasuke (🤮) responding to naruto's goodwill.

Seriously, what were the uchiha thinking? Did they really agree to a mutual alliance in which they had no political representation?

Hashirama convinced himself and Madara that through the power of goodwill and friendship alone they will create a fair and prosperous society for both of their clans and anyone else who joins. but in the formation of the village, they had no contract that demanded equal power between the senju and uchiha? a council, or a mandatory switch in hokage?

It's such ridiculous foresight. Hashirama's charisma convinced them to forgo basic enforcements of legal and systematic equality. What would happen when Hashirama is not in power? You don’t even have to look far. Tobirama, hashirama’s brother and right-hand-man was a raging racist. Like seriously, you didn’t think to put in place ANY measures of equality in the constitution?

It's the same concept as everyone relying on Naruto's charisma to keep peace. like geez, they took "God of Shinobi" TOO far for Hashirama

[igu834]

konoha's transition from a cause to an identity is such an undercovered event.

konoha was initially made as an ideal in which children are not slain in unnecessary clan in fightings. it was essentially a coalition between various clans that mutually collected for a safe place to raise their children.

however, somewhere along the way, the will of fire stood to represent the village itself. at a point, they swore kakashi in at 5 with grand praises for his genius. what happened to the cause of mutual prosperity?

this is of course natural to the development of any national identity, but whats most jarring to me is how quickly madara and tobirama identify with this vision. madara and tobirama who spent most of their lives fighting for the senju, lived, breathed, and established the senju culture and identity. hashirama had come up with the concept of konoha! how did he come to sacrifice the concept of konoha as a a safe haven alliance for nationalist ideals? he made it! how did they praise the unnecessary ANNIHILATION of one of the two founding clans?

and also, why build an economy dependent on missions that use shinobi talent? wasn't the goal to AVOID participation in the battle field? why take money for it? I understand have shinobi for defense, but using it as a profit motive is a bit too far no?

[igu834]

sasuke's clothing when he's with konoha vs. apart is so interesting to breakdown

with konoha, he shows considerably less skin. from one angle, it shows Kishimoto further implanting cultural nuances of wrongness. by showing more skin, Sasuke associates away from purity culture's understanding of goodness. it builds nuance that frowns on his non-alignment with konoha. from another angle, it represents his freedom and self-expression when he's separated from konoha.

from within konoha part 1, each transition adds layers to his outfit. from the picture below, he gets a headband, then a thigh strap and armbaned, and then an arm brace. as sasuke gains strength from within konoha, his burden keeps growing.

and also, orochimaru was a creep who marked his tongue and salivates at the thought of his body, so he probably appreciated the extra skin

[igu834]

Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura are NOT innocent. They are soldiers. Perhaps brainwashed and too young, but soldiers.

Samurai are soldiers.

Soldiers die. It is not wrong or oppressive to kill soldiers.

But you know what is oppressive? Systematic racism, xenophobia, and genocide.

[igu834]

Sasuke cared to work hard and defeat Itachi "fairly." he despised Orochimaru for his use of drugs, and despite the allure, did not kill Naruto when he had the chance.

Itachi said he killed the Uchiha to test his abilities, and Sasuke needed to prove that the Uchiha were greater than Itachi. Cleanse their name.

So when it was all a farce... so also went the concept of "fair"

[theuchihalawyer]

"real sasuke fans are happy that he got a family and is loved, not say he's a loner" yeah, right, real sasuke fans wanted him to get justice for his clan that was massacred because of the military xenophobic system that he's stuck in now, real sasuke fans wanted him to achieve revolution against Konoha's dictatorship and flawed system that now has completely erased the Uchiha clan's story from the village where they were mass murdered, dimishing Konoha's gruesome actions towards them in a rock outside the village as some kind of unimportant anecdote, real sasuke fans wanted him to stay away from Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi that misunderstood him and demonized him all the time, and reduced him to their own selfish desires and idealizations, and wanted him to go back to the village that dismissed his clan's protests against the xenophobia they suffered through decades and wanted sasuke dead as well, denied them from reaching political power, and ultimately killed them off unfairly, real sasuke fans aren't content with the atrocity of the ending they gave to sasuke, that now is stuck on the fascist regime that killed his whole family and tried to kill him too.

[igu834]

The fact that people cite the Curse of Hatred and the genetic evil of the Uchiha clan as if that narrative wasn't explained to us by the raging racist Tobirama...

like are we serious?

If we made a real life parallel to the hundreds of books written about genetic supremacy across the world, that would be stupid and racist, but when the narrative of a propaganda show depicts a certain character in a positive light, its not so stupid and racist anymore....

[igu834]

Oh for Naruto to be written from the narrative of a recently oppressed instead of an imperial power :(((

[igu834]

It frustrates me so so much to see how Sasuke is never acknowledged as a person with capacity to believe and to think with personal motivations and ideals.

No one’s ever listened to him or sought to really understand his perspective, except perhaps Orochimaru, who of course had no positive intention.

Itachi always saw him as something to groom, to guide toward his fascist ideas. Naruto decided that Sasuke would be happier by his side. But Sasuke didn’t care about his happiness, he wanted justice. But Naruto never cared for what Sasuke wanted to accomplish. It’s like he doesn’t even see him as a human just a mirror projection of his desires and loneliness. And Kakashi, ultimately, has been so deeply propagandized by the Leaf he cannot interpret anything against it.

No one cared that his perspective growing up in an insulated clan would make more loyal to its defense. No one heard him when he said the concept of the Hidden villages needs to be destroyed. No one acknowledged what his ideals were, forget supporting them.

It sounds so so incredible isolating and lonely :( not that Sasuke ever cares but… it makes ME so angry to even think about. It’s like an extrapolation of the misogyny we always see, in women being denied their personhood and capacity to think, into fascism, and it’s such an incredibly heartbreaking experience to think about.

[igu834]

and the thing is Sasuke never cared. Part of the reason no one followed him is that Sasuke never explained himself to the depth of other characters. He thinks internally and doesn’t feel the need to explain his thought process. So HE actually probably doesn’t even feel lonely 😭

[igu834]

It frustrates me so so much to see how Sasuke is never acknowledged as a person with capacity to believe and to think with personal motivations and ideals.

No one’s ever listened to him or sought to really understand his perspective, except perhaps Orochimaru, who of course had no positive intention.

Itachi always saw him as something to groom, to guide toward his fascist ideas. Naruto decided that Sasuke would be happier by his side, uncaring of wha Sasuke said. Sasuke didn’t care about his happiness, he wanted justice. But Naruto never cared for what Sasuke wanted to accomplish. It’s like he doesn’t even see him as a human just a mirror projection of his desires and loneliness. And Kakashi, ultimately, has been so deeply propagandized by the Leaf he cannot interpret anything against it.

No one cared that his perspective growing up in an insulated clan would make more loyal to its defense. No one heard him when he said the concept of the Hidden villages needs to be destroyed. No one acknowledged what his ideals were, forget supporting them.

It sounds so so incredible isolating and lonely :( not that Sasuke ever cares but… it makes ME so angry to even think about. It’s like an extrapolation of the misogyny we always see, in women being denied their personhood and capacity to think, into fascism, and it’s such an incredibly heartbreaking experience to think about.

[igu834]

Capitalism. That's it. That's the root of the Shinobi system. Unregulated Capitalism.

Unregulated capitalism where feudal lords fund shinobi villages to carry out their will. Shinobi who take on amoral and violent missions to perpetuate the survival of their village and then become desensitized. Who are indoctrinated and groomed into ascribing by a system of fascism who want to exploit them.

Racism, the curse of hatred, and everything else is just a distraction from the ills of capitalism

[igu834]

It's so crazy coming back to Naruto fandom years later and way older to read fanfiction and realize it was written by a twelve-year-old

like wdym sasuke smirked and told kakashi he's too battle ready to be in the same team as Sakura and Naruto and then Kakashi beat him up 😭

its honestly so cute like I also remember being 14 and being obsessed with dark mary sue naruto and reader inserts ❤️

[igu834]

Sasuke constantly belittled himself, believed so little of his worth because he grew up constantly in the shadow of a genuis older brother and a dad who didn't care for him. But he loved more than his self-doubt. 

When push came to shove and Itachi killed their clan, all of that self-doubt was crushed to somewhere in the back of his mind. By hook or crook, he WILL fulfill his duty. He lost his idea of self, of considering what "he" can do to a responsibility infinitely greater.

[eggytoast-deactivated20211219]

The thing about sasuke being an international terrorist is he got that title from the coolest thing he ever does (assassinating danzo instead of sitting on his ass like everyone else waiting for the problem to go away), and the only reason he ended up fighting all five kage + samurai is because Zetsu exposed him and the kages decided to attack him while he repeatedly said things like “dont interfere” indicating he is in fact only there for danzo

There is always that one character in every franchise who believes in holding people accountable even if those people are acting on orders or on behalf of a state, and the narrative without fail will try to turn them into an extremist strawman. the fandom will lap it up in favor of pussy characters (Itachi) who take a blindly patriotic stance and are worshipped within the narrative for it. Like no shit sasuke killing danzo would coincide with him going into the “darkness”, and will be played up with ominous music and psychotic laughter even if his actual bad deeds (karin) are still not actually worse than, say, slaughtering an entire clan including civilians and apparently your own “lover” (which everyone on the show praises as heroic)

This is why a lot of people gravitate towards “terrorist” characters even if they do fucked up things, because frankly the narrative is already so obviously rigged against them the second they question patriotism or identify civilians as complicit or decide that holding a high position in a government doesnt give you immunity. Like, you know it’s coming, and none of the “good”, civil, nonviolent characters will be allowed to articulate or embody any of these interesting concepts. At least not fully, and if so they will be probably have an arc where their friends must save them from themselves lol

See also: jet from atla, who of course is strawmanned as a nut job who wants to wipe out a whole village the second he mistrusts a FN civilian instead of just soldiers, Hama from atla who is strawmanned as an extremist because she wants revenge on civilians that literally allowed her to be trapped in a cage for decades, gale from thg whose actions result in prim’s death in an awkward, convoluted plot because he advocated violently resisting in a desperate situation whereas peeta just took a blanket no war stance regardless of the situation. It’s such a common trope that after a while, the efforts at villainizing any character with this particular ideology comes off incredibly contrived.

[igu834]

Sasuke who feels a duty to his clan, to the world 

Raised with ideas of honor of the Uchiha, how can he let Itachi represent them? Continue killing innocents and rampaging villages with Uchiha still attached to his name?

How can he betray his clan, his blood, for the measly feelings of happiness he gets laughing with his teammates? How dare he forget? How flimsy his dedication?

[dushman-e-jaan]

You know why adult Sasuke doesn’t make any sense, a man who claims that he’d end his own life over a fascist establishment which he swore to dismantle, even if it meant ending his own life? He doesn’t care about that Shippûden revolution anymore because he’s already dead. He died at the VOTE II clash, and the Sasuke we see in Boruto (and the rest of the post-canon harebrained material) is a pale imitation of Sasuke, born from Orochimaru’s nefarious experimentation, created to fulfill Sakura and Naruto’s sick obsessions with him.

Go ahead and try to prove me wrong. I triple bitch dare you! (No wonder Sarada’s a certified dud Uchiha.)

[fugayyyku]

Like Sasuke isn't struggling with his innate selfishness he's struggling with his innate goodness. All other anti heroes struggle in the opposite direction where they're tempted to use bad means to accomplish good goals (or they're completely content with being morally grey). Sasuke doesn't struggle with that, he's already made his decision to use bad means for good goals he's just FAILING at it because he's a good fucking boy who can't help but care.