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Hi girl how are you? I have a question can you visual type me ?

sure, for 100€ i will

#that's the special price for anyone calling me 'girl'

butterflyyoucomefromme

in case you are confused about your tritype, part 2

#enneagram #tritype #rising from the dead for this

butterflyyoucomefromme

soc-blind love hits different <3

#soc-blind brothers more like edgy-brothers again #not eating your friends after a plane crash is just a waste of resources and would dishonor them ok?#sp/sx #sx/sp

Would you consider ever making an infographic of MBTI face shapes with real people, preferably celebs/public figures (for reference purposes) like your old one for IV? xxTP is pretty obvious for the most part and some xxFJs have pointier chins than others, but everything in between is a crap shoot for me.

uff yeah i should probably. tbh typology and this blog is really low in priority for me currently so realistically i won't get around making it within the next years. not planning on outright abandoning my blog but unless we get another covid lockdown or something i simply don't have the time for it. :')

#my dream would still be an online database with plenty of photo examples for every MBTI/IV with a search function for each type #kinda like pdb but only me and a few trusted mutuals are allowed to do submissions #... and remind me to delete that old IV celeb example post because like 40% of them are wrong lol

how do sx users bond? I saw here that someone said they bond differently than non-sx users, I would like to ask the difference.

the whole "sx-bond vs sx-blind bonding" differentiation was one of the worst theories coming out of typology tumblr and led to so many godawful mistypings that haunt me to this day

istj-hedonist

Visual Typing - MBTI Head Shapes

After collecting more evidence over the past two years here is an updated chart of the different head/face shapes for the MBTI types.

the general markers:

1. Introverts have thin faces, extroverts have wide faces (the only exception being xSTJs, more on that later), scientific studies about this:

- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65358-6

- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916309096

2. xxTPs have very rectangular faces with pronounced square chins. ExTPs in particular are prone to bulldog-like underbites, giving a stereotypically masculine appearance

3. xxFJs have smaller underveloped jaws with small chins, giving a triangular/ heart-shape, feminine appearance

just a hypothesis but 2. and 3. are probably related to testosterone-influence during embryonic development hence the correlation for both appearance and gendered character traits (feeling vs thinking, emotion vs ratio)

4. *for some reason if someone has this specific long jaw misalignment it -has- to be a male ISFJs (photo example before and after lefort 1 jaw surgery). (like, not -all- male ISFJs have it, but if someone has it you can bet it’s an ISFJ). haven’t seen this in INFJs or in female ISFJs yet

5. Te/Fi-users have average jaw sizes and therefore go more into the circle/oval direction. xSTJs in particular often have “egg-shape” heads. xNTJs look somehow more triangular than their Si/Ne-counterparts but still more egg-ish than xxFJs.

behold, an xSTJ:

6. for why ISTJ and ESTJ are “switched” in head width and they are the only MBTI pair that is an exception from the I/E-width-rule I only have this half-baked explanation that it’s not about introversion/extroversion in a social sense but more in a “openness to sensations” sense that ESTJs with their inf Fi are more stubborn and actually more withdrawn than ISTJs(??)

7. ENTJs have the most pronounced foreheads you’ve ever seen

8. fat can disguise the head shape, but not always. e.g. see those two examples of ExFJs before and after weightloss. the chin is still sharp and triangular even when overweight:

meanwhile the rectangle shape of this ISTP only becomes visible with lower body fat:

9. overdeveloped masseter muscles can distract from the chin shape. e.g. take this picture of young INFP Brad Pitt. one could easily fall into the trap thinking he has an IxTP head shape when in reality his chin has a normal Te-user size and it’s just his masseter muscles distracting from the shape. the curved indentations between chin and muscle are a good clue. (compare it to pictures of him being older with less pronounced masseter muscles, then his real chin shape is more obvious)

comparing with ISTP Sigourney Weaver, her rectangle head shape is visible during all ages regardless of muscle mass

as a novice those differences can be hard to track. train your eye by observing photos of people during different age stages, try to imagine the face without any soft tissue and bone only.

istj-hedonist

@novspiep honest answer: we don’t know yet. it’s either:

a) a simple correlation. both functions and faces are determined by the same genes (more likely option imho)

or

b) a causation one way or the other: either using certain cognitive functions shapes how our faces grow or alternatively our face shape limits what cognitive functions we use (for both options there are known examples in biology so who knows)

sadly i can’t tell you why the patterns are there i can only tell that they are there. and trust me i’m well aware of how ridiculous phrenology-bullshit this all looks at first glance.

#visual typing #walking the fine line of being thrown into the same pot of astrology lunatics any day

I've seen a video with Gordon Ramsey where he went out with rotten food to clients and told them that he "respects them and industry too much to partake in this" and it made me think about how I could see a 1 doing this. What differences would be there in thought process? I unfortunately know mostly 1's and 9's so my own thought process may be tainted. As I understand, if 1 would say that it would be more of a impersonal and self-controlled "righteous fury"? Meanwhile to an 8 as Gordon it is more like "I am good at something, I came to be an authority and now you are all on my watch". In more healthy 8, I also perceive this as "I am taking care of clients, I am providing for them as a good chef and restaurant owner" and so any problems are very personal to him? In case of 1 I could see it more as a "I am angry that you do not do the right thing as it should be done" and in case of 8 "I am angry that you present yourself as authority and don't even try to act like one"?

I sent a link, from 12:30 if you are interested in context.

Gordon Ramsay is neither an 8- nor 1-core, he is a classic cp6

especially the "i came to be an authority" is standard 6-thinking. Ramsay's anger is only expressed -because- he is high up in hierarchy now. 8s don't care for traditional authorities, but 6s like him do. he's like a dog, obediently staying in the background when he is the weaker of two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4mzEMeWml0

and when he is angry he is unable to stop the momentum, like he really needs to affirm again and again who is the boss now. neither 1s or 8s would feel the need go this overboard.

kitchens operate like military, it's all about following orders, and only 6s voluntarily partake in those environments.

#i didn't receive any link you mentioned #he's a good example of how scary cp6s can be #him being ESTJ doesn't help of course #celeb typing

I agree that 8s as natural leaders is laughable: probably warrior ethos projection on ennea types (with mature 8w9 as the exception). However, I wonder why you feel 1w2s and 1w9s are potentially the best leaders? They're decent/good, but they're often uptight (being mild here) and run the risk of protocol for the sake of protocol, suffocation ensues. Mature 9s are the best leaders imo: aiming for relaxed group dynamics, don't expand unless necessary and assertive when needed.

9s can be good leaders for small groups (e.g. at work low/middle level or small villages) but imho the more people are involved the more important it is to establish and uphold protocols because there needs to be a frameset that people can refer to even when not everyone is present. Ergo 1s being necessary, even when everyone hates them for it but they are mere scapegoats and executioners. Without them we wouldn't have any civilization. Although one could argue that the 1 doesn't need to be a human and that it's also sufficient if it is the abstract concept of "law/justice/god" instead.

Also of course depends on what you view as "good". Preserving the status quo? Leading people into new territories? In my mind any process is better than stagnation. Moving around in a circle is more admirable than standing still on the spot. Energy spent wastefully is superior to energy preserved for nothing. But that is deeply personal bias + a pinch of self-loathing. Objectively I don't think that there is a correct answer or if there is one that it wildly differs depending on purpose.

it may come as a surprise to you but some people (e.g. me) are annoying idiots whilst being fully neurotypical

#or to quote 🦋#where does typology end and PDs start

i’m really intrigued by this “visual typing” or typing by physical attributes concept that i’ve seen you talk about on your page, even if i don’t fully believe in it’s validity. is there a place where i could find the “physical trait profiles” for the MBTI and enneagram types / instinct stacks ? it’s a very intriguing idea. i am curious about what type i “look like.” do you think these things to be definitive, one-size-fits-all, and 1 to 1 or do you simply find them a fun or interesting aspect of typology to explore ?

"is there a place where i could find the “physical trait profiles"

aside from the random incomplete posts on my blog? no, not that i know of. i've been thinking about collecting a public database but that wouldn't earn me money so realistically will never happen.

"i am curious about what type i “look like.”"

well post some passport-style neutral pictures of yourself and i will let you know

"do you think these things to be definitive, one-size-fits-all"

yes and no. i truly believe that visual typing is -the- one and only correct way of typing someone and can be done with a much higher accuracy and less bias than any personality test or behavioral analysis. as i've mentioned plenty of times before though there are of course caveats; plastic surgery being the most obvious, that's why when typing celebs i usually try to find older pre-surgery photos of them. and of course it can only be used to type real existing people and not like e.g. anime characters which makes it uninteresting to many typology fans.

but i don't think -i- found all the visual clues yet and so far we've been only scratching the surface. also several older posts i made contain outdated information and i cringe every time people reblog those. i'd should probably delete those but i'm too lazy...

#visual typing #someone fund me to train an AI

@strawberryss1 gonna make this into an extra post so that there is at least some educational value for others

(seperated from the answers to the former post https://istj-hedonist.tumblr.com/post/697216762641547264/do-you-still-subscribe-to-the-eyelid-space-theory)

(about Trump) I don’t even know where to start with this, this is so wrong on so many levels. since when is Fe = smooth talker?? if that were the case you wouldn’t have these tons of foot-in-mouth cringe ESFJs. and since when is a tert function a good function? even if we would go with your logic of “Fe = good talker” that would mean that ExTPs are bad at it because it’s only their third and not the dominant or secondary function. and people finally need to stop with this dumb “eyes roaming around” shit, it means nothing. i’ve seen "moving eyes” being attributed to everything.. Se, Ne.. and now Fe?? you guys need to make up your mind. Trump is tone-deaf simply because he’s a rich nepotism baby sx/sp 8w7-core and doesn’t give a shit about anyone.

it’s just wild to me how you can look at any random interview and not see the super obvious aux Ti in him. which xxTJ would ever ramble so incoherently like he does?

also that Salman Khan guy in the video you linked is not even an ESTP what is that video supposed to proof?? (lol ok i just looked it up and apparently pdb types him as 8w9 ESTP lmao when he is a super obvious ENFJ, i swear pdb is filled with the most brainless idiots who think everyone is either an xNTJ or 8-core or both)

so/sp ENTJ. tritype probably 953, -extremely- phobic contraflow vibes

bigass forehead that he tried to cover up with hair

dude deadass looked like that Henry child from Stranger Things lol

#visual typing #celeb typing

in other news: Angelina Jolie is an sx/so istp and not an sx/sp estp

#🤷#celeb typing

do you still subscribe to the eyelid space theory wrt instinctual variants? i'm confused bc tom cruise for ex seems so/sx but (when he was young) he had like no eyelid space? but maybe i'm just not seeing correctly.

i still subscribe to "eyelid space = soc-dom"

but i don't think anymore that tom cruise is so/sx and he is also not an istp like he get's typed usually.

instead he is an sp/sx isfj (638)

just look at this baby faced nerd. actually a prime example of how the concept of “p6 vs cp6″ is a mess and eventually all p6s turn into cp6s with age and “hierarchy gains” over time. so all his insanity is not so/sx but instead 6 + cult brainwashing

#man there are so many old wrong celeb typings on my blog but i'm too lazy to delete them #back when i was mostly relying on examples the public seemed to agree on #isfj #celeb typing

istj-hedonist

Hey, it's been a couple of years since I've last been on tumblr and been in the MBTI sphere. It's nice to see you still active! Last I saw, your description said 8w9. I was wondering what sparked the decision/realization that you're a 9w8 instead. If there's already a post about this, I'll gladly read it, but I wasn't able to find it. Was it slow and gradual & always a consideration, or was there one thing that really made you rethink? Thanks!

I've wrote a short post about it before but it's already a few years old already and buried beneath other crap i guess. I can't recapitulate the exact moment of realization. But in hindsight there were a few misconceptions that lead to the mistyping in the first place and lifting these while simultaneously becoming more honest about myself then lead to "what if i'm 9 after all??" pondering first and then "oh shit i -am- a 9" second. (so yeah more gradual and not one big eureka-moment)

underestimating 9s' and 1s' anger. there are certain themes that somehow only get attributed to one type in a triad even though they are transparent in the other two types as well. for example only 3s being called out of vanity, but missing out on the super obvious vanity of 2s and 4s. or only 6s being seen as paranoid nervous wracks while 5s and 7s are actually equally paranoid. likewise only 8s get the attribute of "the angry type" when 1s and 9s are actually on the same level.

being more aware about lesser influences; the wing being more obvious to yourself than the core. similar to how we are usually more aware of our tert and inf functions because they are still "newer" to us and we haven't become so accustomed and blind to them yet.

9s being about "harmony and avoiding conflict". the majority of 9 descriptions have a soc Fe spin to them and just recently I've been told that there are still plenty people out there who think IxFPs can't be 9s because Fi is too selfish to be a 9?? like, where is that idea coming from? 9s got to be the misunderstood type next to 2s because many people fail to see obvious selfishness in accommodating behaviour. (i think i made several posts going in detail about that topic)

making excuses for (dis)integration lines not fitting. really when it comes to that topic i should have used occam's razor but instead i was needlessly overcomplicating things. i should have realized sooner that i go into 6-mode during stress is not because "well i'm a Si-dom and Si + inf Ne mimics 6-stereotypes :)"

delusional idolization. a bit like "oh wow 9s are great, I love 9s, there is no possible way I could be as cool as one ;)". not much to say about that lol.

most of these are beginner mistakes and if you look back like 95% of people on typology tumblr made them. from all the "8s" you had back then only Sarah survived as the one true 8w7 (although she got her instinct wrong and is actually a sx/so and not a sx/sp), everyone else turned out to be either a 1, 3 or 9.

kendrixtermina

Hm. I thought you had listed yourself as 7? Then again it’s not like I’ve checked your bio since I first started following for the aesthetics posts forever ago, so maybe I didn’t memorize this correctly.

I guess this makes me an outlier for never budging from the one I first arrived at. I have reexamined/ reconsidered it a couple of times because you hear about “a lot of people being mistyped” all the time and I’d hate the thought of being an obvious incompetent fool for all to see, but all the books I read only confirmed & solidified by initial result. At this point so much evidence would need to be explained away or recontextualized for me to be wrong that it seems impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.

No Ne speculation survives a day where I leave the house & interact with humans (especially humans other than my immediate family) because the behaviors are fairly obvious.

istj-hedonist

@kendrixtermina i always typed as 7-fix last, that part never changed. (i wonder tho why “7-core istj” wouldn’t make you bat an eye?)

anyway you are an sp/so INTP 4w5-core (+5w4-fix second.. gut-fix is either 9w8 or 9w1 but def not 8.. which is ironic considering you are commenting on a post that is about 9 vs 8 mistyping) and you are one of the best examples of someone being super soc in behaviour but not realizing it somehow due to the strong 4 making their own thing and not following the crowd. the 4-core is also the reason why many (me included) accused you of being a mistyped INFP in the past but it just shows Ti and Fi have equal “cringe” potential when combined with 4.

#if you want to discuss your type further then please do so per private message and not as a reblog