AstralObserver

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[thoughtkick]

“People think being alone makes you lonely, but I don’t think that’s true. Being surrounded by the wrong people is the loneliest thing in the world.”

— Kim Culbertson

[janehaster]

If you haven't watched this video yet, you MUST

Simply THE BEST Deltarune theory on the Weird Route and what Kris and Noelle found at the bottom of the lake:

After Chapter 5 came out, a lot of people came out of nowhere spewing nonsense dressed up as "theory". This video is an exception to the rule. You can tell the creator was paying attention to the game and the many clues spread throughout the chapters.

[actiiasluna-deactivated20250103]

[batbetbitbotbut]

When I fail to respond it's an homage to letters getting lost at sea

[nerdintheforest]

Mine carrier pigeon doth wander

[janehaster]

It's made clear that you as the player are the one to force both Kris and Noelle into this situation in the alt route. Toby has gone through so much effort to separate what Kris the Character wants, and what You as The Player force them to do.

As for a "lack of warning", you have to go so far out of your way to get that route, and there's so, so many opportunities to get out of doing it. You have to ACTIVELY WANT to go down this path to do so.

There's PLENTY of fucking warning, my dude. Not just in the game itself, but Toby himself said that Deltarune would have far darker aspects to it than Undetale did.

What you're ACTUALLY angry about is the fact that this content exists at all. You're just hiding it with bad faith arguements, virtue signalling, and "tHiNk oF ThE cHiLdReN!!!" like a homophobic wine mom decrying Tinky Winky from the Teletubbies for caring a damn handbag.

And if that's the case, do literally everyone a fucking favor and just don't touch the game or the fandom ever again, bc we've been down this route with your type of people attacking and killing media because you personally don't like the subject matter and id rather not go through it again.

watch out. random weirdo spewing hate in unsuspecting people's inboxes

I don't even know this idiot from manners

don't like what some people post? the rule is to ignore or block them

and please do everyone a favour and grow up. you're not a baby to be throwing tantrums

[janehaster]

Susie knows Kris is creating Dark Fountains

Whoever made the Dark Fountain...'

'Probably used the backdoor, right?'

'You...'

'...were kind of back there earlier, weren't you?'

'You didn't...see anyone, did you?'

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Add to that the fact that, in Chapter 4, Kris refuses to fight the Knight if they reach them at the top of the stairs and Susie has already figured it out. Kris was caught red-handed more than once. And they likely know it.

Susie is still in denial for now, but in Chapter 6, two things can happen:

Once Noelle joins the party, Susie might share her suspicions about Kris with her. This will lead Noelle to confront Kris, since they've known each other since childhood and Noelle might be better at guessing their hidden motivations

OR

Kris might betray their friends so horribly it will leave Ralsei no choice but to reveal what he knows about Kris and the Roaring Knight

Either way, whatever Kris is doing, it's doomed to crash and burn. It would be wiser for them to trust Susie and Noelle.

(Whatever they are hiding must be related to the tragedy Asgore was investigating, which is likely linked to December's disappearance. And it's possible he was doing so on Carol's orders. No wonder she kept Asgore around. He was still working for her to try and find her daughter.)

Susie has had other clues as to Kris' suspicious behaviour in previous chapters, such as the aftermath of Spamton's boss fight or when he's playing a videogame all alone in the secret room in Tenna's studio.

She'll eventually realise he's hiding something, but will need help connecting all the dots. Either she will pressure Ralsei into telling her all he knows or Noelle will fill in missing information from her shared childhood with Kris, especially info concerning her long lost sister.

Whatever happens, it's likely the truth will come out in Chapter 6. After Asgore's kidnapping, it's likely Carol Holiday will be the next victim, since she has the final code to the Shelter. And Carol seems to be the missing piece of the puzzle. If anyone can reveal to Susie all the mystery behind the Dark Fountains, Dess' disappearance and the reason for Kris' odd behaviour, it's probably her.

And if her daughter Noelle gets kidnapped instead of her, you can bet Carol will do anything in her power to rescue her. She won't lose two daughters and a husband.

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It's worth noting Rudy fell down in Chapter 5. This can have two meanings: he either fell from the stairs and got hurt or he passed away.

If Rudy died, we might attend a funeral in Chapter 6. Susie will likely be there to comfort Noelle. This might be the chance for Carol and Susie to have a candid conversation. Carol might also reveal to Susie why she keeps Noelle under a tight leash.

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(If you play the Weird Route, you know Noelle was looking for a way to leave her fake life behind her and be herself. She's not the perfect daughter and model student her mother wishes her to be.

She engaged in witchcraft with Catti, wore goth makeup and did other small acts of rebellion against her strict mother to try and live a little. From the looks of it, she's pretty much like her sister Dess.

They are both rebellious and like to do "forbidden stuff" or go on adventures, a personality trait her mother is trying to smother at all costs.)

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Either Carol will be able to spill the beans or something will interrupt her conversation with Susie - Kris creating another Dark Fountain, perhaps? - and Carol will end up in the Dark World, needing to be saved. However, one small detail might not make it so easy for the Knight to capture her...

Carol Holiday usually carries her black katana with her. What will happen if she uses it to fight against The Roaring Knight?

[janehaster]

Carol Holiday knows about the Dark World

Noelle is supposedly going to join us in Chapter 6. I wonder if Kris or the Knight will open a Dark Fountain in the Holidays' Home next time.

Asgore's kidnapping, however, is due to be noticed by Noelle's mom. He works at her home helping with house cleaning, gardening and other similar activities. Carol is bound to notice he went missing, just as she must've noticed Undyne, the chief of the police force, went as well.

As a result, she may overhear Susie telling Noelle all about the Dark World. This may trigger a cutscene where Carol confesses she knew about the Dark World all along. She may even have been asking Kris to create the Dark Fountains in order to try and find her missing daughter, December Holiday

And Carol is the last person who knows the third code that opens the Shelter, where a Dark World is already opened.

Why do I get the feeling either Carol or Noelle will be kidnapped in Chapter 6?

And last, but not least...

Noelle doesn't know about the Roaring Knight.

She never saw the Knight slash Tenna's arms and attempt to kidnap Toriel.

And Susie will try to make her join them in the Dark World again, knowing the Knight is practically unbeatable and is kidnapping people right, left and centre.

What will happen when Noelle learns the Knight has antlers and hooves, just like the rest of the Holidays?

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Also, we may finally learn what is Rudy's illness and if it's related to the tragedy that befell Hometown, a tragedy of which Asgore was falsely accused.

Could Rudy have become mortally injured by the Knight during a fight against them trying to save his daughter?

Or could Rudy and Asgore's incursion into the Dark World in the past have accidentally created the Knight and triggered the tragedy that ended in Dess Holiday's disappearance?

Would that explain why Carol and Rudy are no longer together? Maybe she blames her husband for what happened?

What are your theories on this?

[demonminer3-blog]

My thoughts on chapter 5 (spoiler warning)

So, I have finished chapter 5, and marinated on my thoughts of it for a bit.

In short, the chapter is great! Very different from deltarune as we have seen thus far, but it's good. The art is great, the enemies are creative and fun to fight. I grew to love the flowers, even flowery by the end of it.

BUT.

But i think there are some problems. Nothing that ruins the game, but it feels a little off because of it.

Namely, the narrative feels like it's been disrupted by the chapter. To explain, let's go back to the tail end of chapter 4. It is 3 AM in the light world. Kris, Ralsei and Susie have had a very rough night as far as nights go.

Susie learned that her first proper teacher, the old man, was dead and couldn't be brought back. she learned that the prophecy calls for something terrible to happen, and the feeling is clearly still raw by the time the chapter reaches its final scenes. she's scared of it, despite her grandstanding of not caring about what it says.

Ralsei has been forced to confront the fact that he can't keep secrets from his friends, Susie (reasonably) blew up at him for how quiet he has been about very important things like the nature of dark worlds, and what the roaring entails, and what fate has in store for the heroes of prophecy.

So, in short, the fun gang has started to see that things are going to get much worse before it gets better, even if they did triumph over the titan with some assistance.

And then the festival happens... and I don't... get that vibe? from anyone? like, we get some words from susie if you choose to put her and kris together on the ferris wheel. Kris obviously had some struggles since we see them crawling into the room like a zombie, deathly complexion and all. But... where is that tang of fear? Where is that quiet that comes from thinking too hard about terrifying things that happened literally less than twelve hours ago? The jokes are funny, the art is great. We go into castle town, and instead of seeing susie hiding her tiredness from the events of the night prior, like i expected, we see her preparing to go on a date with noelle like everything is normal.

and i have to ask myself while playing... are we seriously not gonna talk about that? the titan, the wrecked church, the prophecy which is haunting ralsei and susie at this point? It feels like everyone is brushing it aside for some reason. not even in a "let's ignore that and pretend everything is fine right now even if it really isn't" kind of way, but more in a "we don't have anything scary in our life right now" way.

The story of the chapter is good, i feel. As stated earlier, i liked the flowers, and i enjoyed how flowery was portrayed. more compelling than i first expected him to be from first impressions.

If i were to change it myself, i would reverse chapter 4 and 5. Basically, have the lighthearted sunset adventure go into the somewhat more somber night of the dark sanctuary, before descending into the darkness of whatever happens in chapter 6 and 7.

and to be honest? i feel like it fits better on multiple ways that way. for starters, we go from school on friday, to church on saturday, to festival on sunday, which is just weird to me. the tone of the chapters would progress linearly darker, rather than going darker, then being light again. from the new beginning of chapter 1, to the bright cheer of chapter 2, to the games of chapter 3 heralding the sunset of what is now chapter 5, which could then lead into the more dramatic and personal chapter 4. of course a lot of plot stuff would have to be swapped around between chapters, like noelle's and susie's relationship and rudy's injury. but i feel it would have been less jarring.

to summarize, i feel like the chapter would have benefited from being placed earlier chronologically, for tone reasons. i still love deltarune, and i still love this chapter, but it kind of left me a bit... unsure of things, ya know?

maybe it'll grow on me more as i remember it later.

[janehaster]

I couldn't agree more. Chapter 5 did feel out of place.

SPOILERS AHEAD

The heroes just fought a Titan, a creature supposedly impossible to defeat. Then figured out how to defeat it on sheer dumb luck (Susie and her blessed ideas). But before that, they were being tormented by the Roaring Knight, who almost killed all three of them not only once, but TWICE (once in Chapter 3 and once in Chapter 4, when we proceed in total darkness, swords being mercilessly thrown at us and the SOUL is the one light amidst the darkness).

Then they learned about The Final Prophecy and the inevitability of fate, with Ralsei breaking his charater for a moment and falling to despair. Out of all people, it had to be Susie the one to cheer him up.

They literally descended into the Abyss - the darkest point of the Hero's Journey - and then, suddenly, everything is cute and bright and cheerful? People are dating, there's romance in the air, flowers, sweet fragrances, anime and, for some weird reason, kitsunes, tooris and other references to Japanese culture? When Asgore's shop doesn't even have ANYTHING to do with Japan???

(If anything, the Dark World should have reflected the Festival and the spirit of Halloween)

All in all, the chapter is just out of place. I'm not even gonna get started on the secret boss. It just felt so... disappointing when compared to Spamton and Gerson. No secret message relevant to the plot, no intriguing background story, no relevant connection to any Lightners that might impact the main plot... it just doesn't add anything to the game story-wise.

In all honesty, the chapter felt like a filler chapter to me. It has its charms - the flowers are LOVELY, I'm coming to enjoy Flowery IMMENSELY in my second playthrough, the new feather dynamic adds value to the gameplay -, but... if we're going to be honest about it, it's a filler chapter.

[janehaster]

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR DELTARUNE CHAPTER 5

Flowery's warning about the looming threat to Kris' Hometown.

It's hard to hate him after this scene, even if the fandom, for now, believes he's a jerk.

(I sincerely think he is no more of a jerk than Tenna was. Both are actually very similar: flamboyant personalities who love the spotlight, with Flowery actually showing appreciation for the Lightners, for Ralsei, doing his best to impress them and respecting their decision to go home once Asgore made up his mind)

Notice, however, how he says "the two of you" instead of "the three of you". Was he referring to the Lightners or...only to Susie and Ralsei?

Because Tenna told Susie Kris was a stinker. And it was Kris who opened both the Dark World in his home and in his dad's shop. I don't think Flowery was unaware of that. Matter of fact, they probably know what Kris is up to, just as Tenna did.

No wonder Flowery told Susie where to find the second code to the Shelter...because he KNEW Kris would try to keep the code from her.

The Darkners are aware of Kris' and the Roaring Knight's bullshit. They've shown time and again they're watching their Lightners' daily lives. They know who's a good person and who isn't. And they KNOW the shenanigans going on in the Shelter.

(The flowers, being especially sensitive, with their ROOTS deep within the earth, must've felt the darkness growing and contaminating Hometown's underground.)

By now, they must've realized Susie is being dragged around by Kris in their adventures and isn't in cahoots with the Roaring Knight.

How much you wanna bet the next Darkner boss will reveal Kris' whole dirty plot to Susie?

And on whose side will Noelle stay: Susie's or Kris'?

Eager for Chapter 6?

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So...two Shelter codes.

One is December Holiday's birthday: 1225 (December 25th)

The other is a second date: September 15th, 199X. Possibly the day of their disappearance?

[janehaster]

Appreciation post for Ralsei's eyes

Thanks for making them remove their glasses, Toby!

[picsthatmakeyougohmm]

[janehaster]

This is living proof Giants roamed the Earth in Ancient Times

[janehaster]

The real question after playing Deltarune's Chapter 5 is:

Does Flowery deserve to be among Tumblr's Top Sexymen beside Spamton, Tenna and Sans?

Yes, no, maybe?

[janehaster]

So...chapter 5 of Deltarune came out.

Snowgrave Route.

Holy shit. Wasn't expecting that.

[janehaster]

How prophetic

[life-is-molasses]

[academic-vampire]

𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔶 𝔢𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔰

[janehaster]

Deltarune Ch 5: Predictions

During the festival, Noelle will open up to Susie about what happened to her sister, December Holiday, and how she disappeared.

Noelle will end up in the Dark World again. Berdly might also join.

The festival might be Halloween's, since there's mention of candy apples in this.

Somehow, a portal will open in Asgore's flower shop. Asgore was investigating Dess' disappearance as a police officer before being fired, so this will be a major plot point.

The Pure Crystal Kris will obtain from Seam might be the key to either finding and defeating the Knight or saving Dess.

We will find the knife the Knight uses to open portals, which will lead to clues as to their true identity.

The Knight might not be Dess, nor Carol. But they are definitely using Carol's black katana, since they can enter her room at will.

Asgore will either help us fight the Knight or will be abducted by them and remain trapped somewhere in the Dark World. He might find out where Dess is or will recognise the Knight's true identity.

A part of The Prophecy will come true in this chapter, which will lead Ralsei to commit some desperate act to try and stop it from being fulfilled. Whatever he does might be the cliffhanger to the next chapter.

If you followed the Snowgrave route:

Noelle and Susie might not get a chance to talk at all at the festival. Instead, Kris will interrupt them mid conversation.

Berdly might be released from the hospital, but will confront Kris about what happened in the Dark World. This might lead to an awkward scene, since Susie doesn't know what Kris did...but Noelle does.

Berdly or Noelle will confront Kris in the Dark World, forcing our allies to choose a side. Susie will have to choose between Kris and Noelle. This choice will impact Chapters 6 and 7. Ralsei will remain by Kris' side, though. He knows something the others don't.

However you play Chapter 5, there's a good chance Chapter 6's Dark World will be in The Bunker or The Holidays' home.

There are a couple of places where Chapter 6 could happen, such as the Diner, the Hospital, the Police Station, the Pizza Place, but there are only two remaining chapters. They'll have to be at places connected to the main plot's key elements: Dess' disappearance, the Prophecy and the Knight. Only the bunker and The Holiday's home fall into that category.

AND FINALLY:

Any doubts on which character will be revealed to be The Angel of The Prophecy?

[expressions-of-nature]

by Daikokuya