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I'm not interested in arguing with anyone on this hellsite. I am here to vent. If you try to argue with me I'm just gonna block you.

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kayla-denker

Ok, so you don't like TMA/TME. You don't like that its a "harmful binary."

Good! You should hate it!

We do too. That's the whole point. You think we like being subjected to transmisogyny?

The problem is that you are regarding transfeminists, and trans women in general, as if we are the ones who created this situation instead of the transmisogynists who actually created it and are enforcing it. We're just describing it, giving it a name so that we can fight it. If you hate it so much, why are you attacking the women who are trying to end it?

obviouslyunobservant

It's really not enforced or conceptualised by the average person (who is the enforcer of transmisogyny) as a binary in nearly the same way as the gender binary is. Like the average person isn't really likely to divide the population into the binary categories of "transfem" and "not transfem" (which is what I understand tma and tme to mean? (i know what they stand for. everyone is "affected" by transmisogyny one way or another so if you take the literal meaning it is useless) correct me if wrong). For a start, the tma/tme categories are not balanced like men/women. So while your average person will have preconceived generalised notions about both men and women ("men like rocket ships", "women like dinosaurs") it is only really feasible to actually hold preconceived generalised notions about the tma category ("trans women like velociraptors") because the tme category is so large.

My point here is just that tme is almost useless as a category - the only uses I see for it are in rhetorical symmetry with tma ("tmas are generally given far less leeway to make professional mistakes than tmes") whereas tma as a term is generally very useful to describe a set of experiences, disadvantages, oppressions, etc. without mentioning tmes at all ("tmas are often subjected to a kafkaesque process when attempting to get hormones" (note how this does not and can not say anything about all tmes recieving swift access to hormones because they don't necessarily)). The only things you can even correctly say about tmes are things that can (and I would argue should) be rephrased purely in terms of the tma term.

kayla-denker

TME is not "useless as a category" because everyone is not affected by transmisogyny. Your own statements prove that. Like where you point out that transfeminine people are given less leeway to make mistakes than everyone else.

Your brain is there, you understand the truth, but your inherent subconscious transmisogyny isn't letting you accept it.

obviouslyunobservant

I'll assume you mean "not everyone is affected by transmisogyny" and not "everyone is not affected by transmisogyny".

If tme is useful as a category, make a statement using it. Say something useful or helpful about tmes that is not actually just about tmas (my "statements" in the second paragraph were both about tmas, not tmes. The first statement was directly intended to show the only purpose of tme that I can think of, for rhetorical symmetry. The statement makes perfect sense (even if it is worse grammatically) without the last 2 words, hence the tme is useless except for rhetorics).

kayla-denker

Yes, my first statement was a typo. Not everyone is affected by transmisogyny.

I think I see your problem. You think these are supposed to be identity labeles similar to "gay" or "lesbian" or "queer" etc. They are not.

Yeah, obviously TME is useless for categorizing people outside of talking about transmisogyny and how it affects transfeminine people and how it doesn't affect non-transfeminine people. The entire point of these terms is to talk about who is affected by transmisogyny and who isnt.

Your point is what is useless.

#transfeminism #transmisogyny

cj-noway

Kind of disagree with the belief that people "suddenly switched" on Jax after it was revealed she was transfem in the finale. I think it's more accurate to say it was a dial that slowly turned against her as more evidence pointed to her being transfem.

Like, most people liked Jax before episode 5 fine enough, but the second the maid dress scene happened, the second transfem Jax became a more popular reading, people who were fans of her either played contrarian for transmasc Jax or went on about how Jax actually was never that good of a character to begin with. And with the latter, it's very obvious that it's because a lot trans women are becoming fans of the character and they decide to act like a grade school bully by saying what they like is shit.

And this just kept getting worse until the finale where people are now pulling out "Death of the Author" so they can explicitly remove the transfem character from a trans woman's work. Or they do acknowledge Jax being transfem, but only so they can badjacket her as a rapist murderer.

The reactions toward transfem Jax from episode 5 to 8 and then from 8 to the leaked finale, then it being released in theaters, then on YouTube show a subtle, but noticeable tick where people became more hostile toward an increasingly obvious transfem character.

kayla-denker

I think this is a distinction without a difference.

Wether they switched suddenly after they saw the finale or switch slowly after episode 5 came out, the reason and the effect is the same: transmisogyny.

#transfem jax #the amazing digital circus #transmisogyny

tboy-trash

ahh so youre actually a rape apologist who thinks even cishet men should be free to rape whoever they want without consequence and has never heard of the concept of darvo. got it

me when i'm normal about rape survivors saying that the popular useless slogan of the decade, "kill all rapists", does absolutely nothing to protect anybody 👍

tboy-trash

"i care about rape victims until one disagrees with me, then they're probably just a stupid cunt that wants even more rape" nice one anon

thefiresontheheight

A woman not shaving or wearing a dress or wearing makeup or wearing femme clothes or having styled or long hair or caring how she looks or using a masc name or whatever else is actually a neutral thing and not a sign of her being depressed or giving up or being sad or whatever

thefiresontheheight

Extremely predictable, tbh, that this post, made my a trans woman about my experiences as a woman, about my relationship with gender, about how I get pressure to perform to a more feminized gender presentation, mostly from other women, is being reblogged as #radblr because I didn't actually mention being trans, since it wasn't relevant. I'm thirty or forty years old and I have very, very little interest in arguing with anyone on tumblr anymore, but if you're out there relating to this post, and also performatively yelling that trans women are men, or talking about how "you people don't really view yourself as women" or whatever, then all I can say is perhaps pause a moment to consider that our experiences are not all that different, and maybe choose empathy rather than whatever reactive hate you have been choosing.

mousidy

I mean, sure, "trans women Should do whatever the fuck we want", but if we want to be taken seriously as actual women we should at least put in the effort. Aren't we in agreement about that?

you're correct that we are taken more seriously as women if we successfully perform patriarchal ideals of femininity, but I take issue with your use of the word "should." saying that we Should do something frames it as a moral responsibility

all women Can perform femininity to receive rewards and recognition of our womanhood, this does not mean women Should do this. do not walk up to a dyke with a buzzcut and say "you should have long hair"

dogstrogen

transmisogynistic transmascs are so funny when they say shit like "these evil trans girls doing forcefem encourages transmascs to detransition" because it's not only untrue but just complete terfesque projection. nobody wants transmascs to detransition more than transmascs and it shows with the way so many of y'all are so determined to cling to your cagab and be perceived as women who are pretending to be men 🤷🏿‍♀️

itsitsukiiii

You do it to yourself, you do

And that's what really hurts.

she-who-is-two-sizes-too-big

Y'all realize trans men were historically included in lesbianism only by virtue of exclusion towards trans women, right? Yhat's not a thing to be celebrated or emulated.

Hell, TERF as a term was coined specifically to refer to the supporters and attendees of the Michivan Wombyn's Festival. Which gladly welcomed trans men in with open arms but turned away trans women because as the name suggests they're idea of a "Real Woman" is an AFAB, regardless of gender identity. Its transmisogynistic as fuck.

redcat117

this latest scotus ruling further hammers in the point that tmes are privileged and that the world is catered towards them in a way it will never be for those who are tma. and yet they still fucking act like they don't have privilege and that this title 9 shit actually fucking effects them. guess what tmes can play any sport anywhere they want, they have built in written in cop outs to ensure these trans tmes can play. but all these young tma girls get to suffer, they don't get anything except for increasing hatred and vitriol towards them. while trans tmes are majorly implicit, complacent, and self-centering about the whole thing.

noze2222

I think maybe before we move onto Woke 2.0 or whatever people are saying maybe we should actually do Woke 1.0 for trans women. Maybe. Just a thought. But really what we should be doing is going back to Woke 0.0 where people give shit about anti-blackness. Y'know, what the word actually meant? Perhaps we don't need to make even more black vocabulary into "Gen Z slang".

vespervex

The "egg prime directive" just on its face is completely asinine.

Guy drinking poison: god why do I feel like shit all the time

Well-meaning person who is knowledgeable about poisons: it kind of looks like you're drinking poison, maybe you should try not doing that and see if you feel better?

Asshole who likes it when people drink poison: UM EXCUSE ME, maybe you should let him decide on his own? Who cares if he may not be aware that what he's drinking is poison, stopping someone from drinking poison without their consent is morally reprehensible, we must respect people's right to drink as much poison as they want. OP you should keep drinking poison and just be happy with how it makes you feel for my comfort

biblicallyaccuratemoth

I should be able to turn into a fucked up monster whenever I want. As a treat.

biblicallyaccuratemoth

God knew I’d be too powerful as a horrifying shapeshifting monster that could grow extra eyes and claws and fangs

I will never forgive him for that

biblicallyaccuratemoth

Having a boss form should be the right of all trans people

kayla-denker

Ok, so you don't like TMA/TME. You don't like that its a "harmful binary."

Good! You should hate it!

We do too. That's the whole point. You think we like being subjected to transmisogyny?

The problem is that you are regarding transfeminists, and trans women in general, as if we are the ones who created this situation instead of the transmisogynists who actually created it and are enforcing it. We're just describing it, giving it a name so that we can fight it. If you hate it so much, why are you attacking the women who are trying to end it?

obviouslyunobservant

It's really not enforced or conceptualised by the average person (who is the enforcer of transmisogyny) as a binary in nearly the same way as the gender binary is. Like the average person isn't really likely to divide the population into the binary categories of "transfem" and "not transfem" (which is what I understand tma and tme to mean? (i know what they stand for. everyone is "affected" by transmisogyny one way or another so if you take the literal meaning it is useless) correct me if wrong). For a start, the tma/tme categories are not balanced like men/women. So while your average person will have preconceived generalised notions about both men and women ("men like rocket ships", "women like dinosaurs") it is only really feasible to actually hold preconceived generalised notions about the tma category ("trans women like velociraptors") because the tme category is so large.

My point here is just that tme is almost useless as a category - the only uses I see for it are in rhetorical symmetry with tma ("tmas are generally given far less leeway to make professional mistakes than tmes") whereas tma as a term is generally very useful to describe a set of experiences, disadvantages, oppressions, etc. without mentioning tmes at all ("tmas are often subjected to a kafkaesque process when attempting to get hormones" (note how this does not and can not say anything about all tmes recieving swift access to hormones because they don't necessarily)). The only things you can even correctly say about tmes are things that can (and I would argue should) be rephrased purely in terms of the tma term.

kayla-denker

TME is not "useless as a category" because everyone is not affected by transmisogyny. Your own statements prove that. Like where you point out that transfeminine people are given less leeway to make mistakes than everyone else.

Your brain is there, you understand the truth, but your inherent subconscious transmisogyny isn't letting you accept it.

#transfeminism #transmisogyny

kayla-denker

Hey, you, cis girl that's very (correctly) vocal about women being allowed to talk about their periods, do you include trans women in that?

I ask because every single time I've tried to talk about it to anyone that isn't a trans woman they get fucking angry. Which has caused me to have to just suffer in silence every single month. So I really relate to cis women when they talk about literally the exact same thing; being shamed by everyone around them their whole lives for talking about their periods, so they just suffer in silence every month as it negatively impacts their work and social lives. But I don't even feel like I can voice that I am literally dealing with the same exact thing because most of y'all react like you want to throw me in front of a bus for saying it, even those of you who act like your such big great transfem allies.

kayla-denker

I guess I'll take this opportunity to talk about trans women periods. The first thing any tme person thinks when they hear this is always "how can trans women have periods? They don't have uteruses!"

The answer is: the uterus isn't what causes your period, it is effected by your period. What causes your period and what causes trans women's periods is the same thing: the endocrine system.

HRT changes the sex of your endocrine system. Feminizing HRT makes it a female endocrine system, giving us a 28-day hormone cycle just like cis women. At the end of that cycle, the hypothalamus floods the body with prostaglandins. Those are what cause all but one of the period symptoms, because they make muscles inflame and contract. They are what make the uterus shed its lining, they are what cause intestinal cramps, they are what cause body aches, they are what cause headaches and migraines. The only period symptom not causes by the release of prostaglandins throughout the body is depression, and that is caused by your endocrine system simply not processing as much estrogen and from simply feeling like shit.

So, the only symptoms trans women don't get every 28 days is menstrual cramps, because yes we do not menstruate since we don't have uteruses. But migraines, depression, body aches, intestinal cramps, and the infamous "period shits" don't exactly add up to us having any better of a time. Except we have to pretend that we're fine and nothing is different because no one believes that we get periods, not even cis women.

"But you can't call it a period then because that refers to MENSTRUATION!" is another one I hear all the time. This is incorrect. You use the word "period" instead of just "menstruation" because it doesn't just refer to menstruation. It refers to a period at the end of the hormone cycle where we experience a host of symptoms. And not all cis women experience all of the symptoms that encompass the period. Not all cis women get migraines, or body aches, or have severe depression. If a cis woman gets a hysterectomy she doesn't menstruate either! In that instance she experiences an identical period to what trans women experience. Yet, I doubt you'd insist that cis women who've had hysterectomies don't have periods.

kayla-denker

Oh, another thing that I personally discovered after bottom surgery: vaginal odor changes for trans women during our periods too. I was not expecting that because I always thought it was just from menstruation. But nope, the ph levels of a trans woman's vagina are the same of as a cis woman's vagina, and it changes during our periods just the same.

kayla-denker

Eat an entire buffet of dicks you vile transmisogynistic scumbag

#transfeminism #transmisogyny

kayla-denker

So there was this group of guys that walked past me, and one of these dudes says....

Did you, the reader, imagine a single one of them was a woman? No, obviously you didnt. No one does, because these are not gender-neutral terms.

kayla-denker

This is utterly fucking absurd and you know it. If "guy" is a masculine term then so is "guys." Its just the plural of "guy"!

Thr fucking disingenuous mental gymnastics these fucking people do just to misgender women! Fuck off!

kayla-denker

These things are not even remotely comparable. "Gay" was a slur for homosexual people that was intentionally reclaimed.

You do not get to just decide "dude is gender neutral now" and go around misgendering women. Fuck off.

#transmisogyny

milf--adjacent

TMEs the second something bad happens to transfems:

valkyriethunderbitch

NPR did a story on the ruling and *only* talked to trans men.

milf--adjacent

The Supreme Court on Tuesday said that states can bar trans girls and women from participating in school sports teams. But states that choos

NPR's Juana Summers speaks with Brooke Migdon of The 19th about the Supreme Court upholding bans on transgender athletes participating in wo

NPR's Steve Inskeep speaks with Chris Mosier, the first openly transgender man to represent the U.S. in international competition, about the

^Literally talking to anyone but trans women about this ban

Which is super sus considering they've got noted transfem activists and journalists in their roster as recently as March 30th:

The Supreme Court is about to rule on whether states can ban transfeminine student athletes from playing on girls' and women's teams. But we

But look at some other notable reporting on this topic from supposedly queer-friendly NPR. Note how frequently the discussion pivots from transfems to TME people. Note how the bans always focus on transfems but the "experts" are rarely transfem. Note how frequently we are minimized and dismissed as a tiny minority. Note how often economic impacts are discussed in lieu of the fact that this is just dehumanization plain and simple. And go through the other examples with these ideas in mind.

The International Olympic Committee will require all athletes who want to participate in women's events to undergo genetic testing. The poli

The Supreme Court hears two cases this week on state bans for trans athletes playing on women's and girls' sports teams. Kate Sosin, who cov

President Trump signed an executive order Wednesday aimed at preventing transgender athletes from competing in women's sports. It's the late

And on the rare occasion they actually talk to a trans girl in sports, they go on and on about how much she sucks at sports as some sort of "gotcha"

The first case involves an Idaho student barred by state law from trying out for the track team; the second was brought by a West Virginia m

It's not just NPR, but it's notable that the network frequently cited as the most left-leaning and socially accepting news network in the States has a glaring transmisogyny problem.

#transfeminism #transmisogyny

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