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Persons like Nog live forever in our love.
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@kira-suggestion
I love Nog. He is Very Dear. He brought me home to my Boy, when I had been away for many months.
Persons like Nog live forever in our love.
It's understandable that Sisko would hate M.E. after being fooled by him but is this all just "a personal vendetta"? I mean, he's Starfleet. Wasn't his reaction part of Starfleet's, and /what/ was Starfleet like about the replicator incident? Wasn't there an investigation and a lot of unpleasant questions, like hey, your girlfriend is a Maquis, your ex-officer is a Maquis, wanna tell us something? If Sisko blamed those unpleasant moments on Eddington, his "obsession" would look so much clearer.
Yes, the issues between Michael Eddington and Captain Sisko are numerous and complex. I find Eddington’s repeated profession that “it’s not personal” to be not only ludicrous, but deliberately disingenuous. It’s very simple for the party who was never the target of personal attacks to claim “it’s not personal”, but that overlooks the fact that Eddington consistently used deeply intimate and personally significant information against Benjamin. Manipulating @kasidy-suggestion and specifically targeting her — out of all the other freighter captains he might have turned to if what he really needed had been food and medical supplies — solely because her involvement would prove the greatest distraction to the Captain is only the beginning. Throughout their encounters, Eddington never hesitated to wield whatever emotional and psychological weapons came to hand: the more personal, the better. His motives might not have been “personal”, but his methods unquestionably were.
Consider his assertion that the Federation is “worse than the Borg”, made to Benjamin after Eddington’s theft of the industrial replicators. He compared the Federation — the peace-driven and peace-keeping body of planets united by a dedication to freedom, civil rights, diplomacy, and exploration — to the brutal, conquering, monolithic enemy that killed Benjamin Sisko’s wife. Jennifer’s death is a matter of public record, and of common knowledge on Deep Space Nine. Eddington knowingly and deliberately ripped open that wound in a moment of triumph, simply to do more damage to a man he had already gored by manipulating the woman he had just learned to love. It was an incalculably cruel remark, and served no other purpose than to harm Ben more deeply than he’d already been harmed.
Another deeply personal, profoundly manipulative tactic Eddington used was the appeal to Benjamin’s love of children, forcing him at gunpoint to look at the displaced colonists in the caves on Marva IV. These colonists were driven from their by Cardassian forces, rather than evacuated with care and compassion by Federation vessels, because Eddington deluded innocent people into believing they could stand and fight against improbably odds. They were the victims of his grandiose fantasies, not of Starfleet, and yet Eddington attempted to twist that in order to strike at his former captain in yet another emotionally significant way — once again using knowledge of Ben’s nature that he’d gained under the guise of a subordinate and friend. Can anyone honestly say that’s not personal? Of course they can’t. It is.
Later still, Eddington deliberately brought up Cal Hudson in “casual” conversation, simply so that he could wound Benjamin with a barbed and accusatory account of his death at the hands of the Dominion. The implication was clear: that it was Ben, not the Jem’Hadar, who was in fact responsible. What kind of soulless person would bring someone news of a friend’s death in that way? And how, exactly, is that “not personal”?
Addressing your question more specifically, yes. Both Starfleet Intelligence and Internal Affairs investigated Captain Sisko thoroughly after Captain Yates’s conviction, weighing his involvement with the Maquis. Benjamin was already being watched closely because of his friendship with Cal Hudson and his expressed sympathies with the plight of Federation colonists in and near the Demlilitarized Zone. Kasidy’s involvement and the ease with which Eddington was able to deceive him (and by extension, all the rest of us) absolutely brought Ben under considerable scrutiny. He was ultimately absolved, but the gruelling nature of such an investigation always leaves a mark. I was interviewed three times myself in the course of this investigation, and those who testified to Benjamin’s loyalty and fitness for duty included First Minister Shakaar, Admiral Whatley, and the entire senior staff of Deep Space Nine. Though the investigation was closed and charges were never made, it remains a blight on Captain Sisko’s record, and a deep professional humiliation for an exemplary and loyal officer.
Furthermore, Starfleet Command was just as motivated to bring Michael Eddington to justice as anyone aboard the Defiant who hunted him down. There have been dozens of key Starfleet defectors to the Maquis — Lt. Cmdr Hudson, Lt. Paris, Ensign Ro, and others. But Lt. Cmdr. Eddington was of particular concern because of his close ties to Admiral Toddman, his position of considerable trust within Starfleet Security, and his charismatic influence that extended far beyond his single Maquis cell. He was a dangerous agitator, and did not represent the needs of the most vulnerable colonists. Ask @kira-suggestion how well the Maquis represented the interests of their Bajoran members, for instance.
As a Starfleet Captain, Benjamin Sisko had a duty to bring Eddington in before his dangerous and delusional behaviour sparked a war with Cardassia. The Central Command and later the Detapa Council did not diffferentiate between rogue humans, Vulcans, Betazoids, and other species from Federation worlds who had renounced their citizenship to persist as Maquis, and the Federation itself. They would have gone to war against all the worlds represented among the Maquis, Bajor included. Eddington had to be stopped. Captain Sisko did his duty in stopping him. We all did. The emotional and psychological cost of that mission weighs heavily on the crews of the Defiant and the Malinche, but we did what had to be done in an attempt to avert a war that would have cost millions, even billions of lives — all for the sake of one man’s ego.
So I have little patience for the argument that Eddington’s actions were justified, and NONE for the argument that they were not personal. They absolutely were. I don’t know why he chose to target the Captain so precisely. Perhaps to him, that was only a tactical decision, and a means to an end. But if he cannot see how his actions, his tactics, and above all his hateful words could be taken as personal by his victim, then there is certainly some merit to the JAG psychiatrist’s assessment that Eddington shows troubling signs of psychopathy. His continued assertions that his actions were “not personal” reflect more gravely upon him than upon any of us.
Jadzia nailed it! Though for asking me “how well the Maquis represented the interests of their Bajoran members, for instance”... well, do you want me on that rant? I’ve seen the Maquis all too happy to point to Cardassian atrocities against Bajorans as reasons why their animosity is reasonable, but then abandoning Bajorans and not actually caring about our needs. Some former Resistance members I know especially wondered if they would prove to be allies to our still-budding new government and if it was worth giving them pointers or anything. Time quickly proved, though, that the Maquis don’t really give a damn about us. And they ESPECIALLY don’t understand the fundamental difference between our struggle and theirs. Bajorans had to fight to get back our HOMEWORLD, the only place our ancestors were from. In nearly every situation - though as I understand it, there may be a couple exceptions - the Maquis have absolutely no particular claim to the colonies where they lived in the Demilitarized Zone! They had at most a few generations who had lived there, but it wasn’t their homeland. It wasn’t somewhere they had an inextricable claim. And unlike Bajorans, who would be leaving behind all of our people if we could even manage to leave our planet and escape Cardassian oppression, they would be readily welcomed back to their homeworlds, with so many planets in the Federation with their own people! As welcoming as the Federation tried to be for Bajoran refugees, most of the diaspora of my people didn’t want to try to settle inside the Federation, because it felt like giving up our ancient roots. What exactly would any Maquis be giving up that was less than a couple of decades, by leaving and resettling in one of the countless places they could? I’m not saying they should have just let the Cardassians have everything they wanted, of course, but the fact that this was their situation, and they had the audacity to try to compare themselves to us? To gain sympathy for some of the relatively few Bajorans who decided to join, or help them, or non-Bajorans who had known that our people were in the right for our fight for freedom so the Maquis could just swoop in and try to co-opt that perception? No. I would maybe cut them some slack, since their situation was hard even if it was nothing compared to Bajor’s, but the Maquis proved they never had any interest in actually understanding our oppression and our attempts at recovery. They just didn’t give a damn.
Phew. I let that rant go on more than I expected... but the one other thing I have to add is your spot-on point about the ridiculous comparison of the Federation and the Borg, Jadzia! I’ve only heard about the Borg, but I can see how absurd it is just from the basics. There are a lot of things that frustrate me about the Federation sometimes, but above all, it’s built on fundamentally good ideas. Even as much as Bajor differs from many of the Federation societies I know of, especially the more secular ones, we have at least one common similarity in that we agree on universal rights and freedoms. With that shared cornerstone, we can differ in so many ways, but understand the intrinsic value of a sentient life and the rights they deserve. And those differences we have, but the fact Bajor is still in the process to enter the Federation, shows how clearly the Federation is different from an evil like the Borg!
I don't think I've asked you this one: describe yourself with a line from a song?
You really do ask intriguing questions! Thank you as always for the fun and thought-provoking prompts.
Hmm… well, there’s a line from Gav’ot toh’va that translates approximately to “The five fleet flames of dawn’s delighted drowning dance deadly over the shining seas”, which I’ve always felt describes any independent and adventurous spirit so boldly, in that soulful way only Klingon opera can.
And then there’s “She was always young at heart/ Kinda dumb and kinda smart./ I loved her so.” from one of Vic’s more peculiar selections, a song called “Honey” — which is completely infuriating if it’s a man singing about his dead wife, and really very poignant if it’s a father singing about his dead teenage daughter. (Speaking of 1960s Earth sexism, @kira-suggestion !) But anyway! I definitely consider myself to be young at heart, and while I’m certainly something of a genius at my work, I’m also the woman who tried to join a planet about to shift into a state of pure consciousness for some guy I’d met, like, 78 hours before; got picked up by Odo for indecent exposure on my second Federation New Year on the station; transplanted a spiny alien plant to my quarters without any idea how to care for it; and went on a date with Broik. So…
WOW, the 20th century was bad on Earth. And I thought the songs from Bajor then could be frustrating… our d’jarra system has flaws, but they weren’t so misogynistic!
Question about the Meridian planet, though! The Jadzia from this dimension told me when she got back that while she did really want to stay with Deral and that made he prospect a lot more enticing, the way she was really able to make that decision was to give the Dax symbiont an incredible new experience never known before by a Trill. You’ve talked about how that’s so important for you and other Trill, so I assume that value still applies for you. Was that also the case for you in influencing your choice to experience the shift to the non-corporeal state?
@jadzia-suggestions Something I’ve been thinking about and wanting to ask you! How can you get through those awful, sexist period-era holosuite programs without getting homicidal - or holocidal? Making it through the Lancelot program is one thing, but then playing “Lady Wants-some-more” or whatever???
I suppose it’s because it’s all in good fun, and Julian’s programs satirize the sexism rather than embracing it. I also worked through a lot of my frustration with that kind of mentality as Lela, so I’m now able to laugh about it. Speaking of which, while I can still get into the combination ostrich-skin garter belt/thigh holster Garak made for me, I really should ask Julian for one more spin around the globe before the baby comes!
And as for playing someone named Lady Wantsomore… well, I do!
To the second point, fair enough. I don’t really think satirizing that would work for me, because that’s still so infuriating, but I’m glad it does for you if that’s fun. I know how Lela’s memories can really affect things though, after seeing that 21st century experience of sexism! I can only still remember a few hours of her memory, from what we talked about during your zhian’tara, but there were plenty of things that came up then to really add to my exasperation about men, and just make me generally even more impatient with their nonsense.
@jadzia-suggestions Something I’ve been thinking about and wanting to ask you! How can you get through those awful, sexist period-era holosuite programs without getting homicidal - or holocidal? Making it through the Lancelot program is one thing, but then playing “Lady Wants-some-more” or whatever???
We know Worf likes to listen to Klingon Opera, is there any type of music or musical narrative (like a play with music) you like?
Most of the music I ever had the chance to grow up hearing was Bajoran music! I have a soft spot for classic composers, like Tol Jolan or Par Nokeram, but throughout the Occupation, stringed instruments or a delicate tivara to play these kinds of songs were a lot harder to use. One of my favorite contemporary musicians, Varani Nohl, is a master in recovering a lot of our lost arts in this style of music, as well as composing his own work in that style.
My other favorite genre of Bajoran music is folk songs, as we could sing those without needing any instrumental accompaniment - as long as we weren’t having to hide, that is! When we felt safe enough to sing a song together in the Resistance, there was such a feeling of camaraderie and belonging. One song I’ve loved since childhood is called “Pillars of the Sea”, which is a lively and exciting song. Another one that’s become a new favorite, though, is “The Ballad of B’hala”, since that has had new life breathed into it since the rediscovery of that ancient city a few years ago. While the song is pretty generally accepted as mostly legend rather than a fact-based narrative about B’hala, it’s still a beautiful and traditional folk song. I don’t really know many plays with music, but that kind of ballad is really enjoyable.
The main other style of music I’ve become familiar with, other than Bajoran music, is the old Earth style of jazz that a lot of us enjoy listening to at Vic’s. It grew on me over time, and although Vic’s not going to replace Par or Varani’s music as my favorite musician, he definitely ranks high up there. I’d recommend listening to “The Best is Yet to Come” or “The Way You Look Tonight” by him! He also sings “Can’t Help Falling in Love With You” beautifully, and that would be so nice to have for dancing with someone.
If you had to pick one color to represent you, what color and why?
Hmm, this seems like a hard question! It seems like I should choose something so deep and insightful... but all I can think about is a marigold, like the color of the emblem on our Bajoran flag.
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I think you would be very into punching nazis
Oh, absolutely. You can’t debate fascists into not being fascists. It appears to legitimize their points by pretending they’re worthy of being considered, instead of the vile garbage it is. You stop fascists and nazis by fighting them.
Do some harm, take no shit. Just keep the harm to the oppressors.
What do you look for in a romantic partner?
Hmm, good question. One of the key things I look for in any relationship, romantic or platonic, is ideological agreement. Our exact politics can be different: I disagreed with Antos on a lot of things! Even though he was a Vedek and spent his life studying the Prophets, I felt in my own, more limited study, there were some obvious conclusions that we differed on. However, we agreed on the most key and important aspects of the Prophets and ancient texts, and some of our dreams for Bajor politically and spiritually. When we had this crucial ideological agreement, our differences were more in the minutiae or implementation. Similarly, I didn’t always agree with Edon either, either in the Resistance or with his actions as First Minister! But when we debated, it was with the mutual understanding that we had the same moral principles and everything. I’m not a moral relativist; I think there’s a right and wrong both ethically and factually for many things, so I could never spend my life with someone who is just fundamentally wrong and incorrect. Some healthy debate within those confines can be really enjoyable, though!
For a romantic partner specifically, it means a lot to me to feel simultaneously desired and fully respected. For that matter, I need to be able to respect them fully, as well as knowing I’m respected. I haven’t dated many non-Bajorans, but them learning about our people is also hugely important. With Odo for instance, even though he didn’t believe in the Prophets, it meant so much to me that he wanted to learn about them to understand my own faith.
Something obvious throughout this I guess, though, is that pretty much all of my romantic experience has been with men, and I don’t really know what I want with a woman because it hasn’t been all that long since I’ve really processed and realized my sexuality. I guess once I have more success in dating for people I’m not trying to convince myself I love romantically instead of accepting those platonic feelings for what they are, I’ll have some better insights? But even when my main examples are Antos, Edon, or Odo, there’s plenty applicable from my decisions of what kind of relationship I want to have and who I want to be around.
Quark, Brunt, Dukat. Sorry if this one is a bit cruel
Oh… oh no…
… I.. I would kill Dukat. There’s really no other option, there. *shudders*
I’d… I’d… Do I really have to do this?Â
… I’d marry Quark. If only because I’d be close to Rom that way. And then I’d seduce Brunt. Probably as part of one of Quark’s schemes.
Yeah, for all you non Bajorans, let me say that most of us Bajoran women do NOT appreciate including Dukat or other brutal oppressors of our people in these jokes.
This is a good reminder for me of why I’m glad I didn’t play this ask game I guess, if I have to worry about this kind of bullshit. There’s a biiiiig difference from even having to think about one of those disgusting misogynistic Ferengi, and DUKAT.
Leeta, I’m sorry. The idea is making me shudder too! I’m here if you want to talk…
not sure if you guys have noticed already but theres a user thats in the star trek side of tumblr who is very openly and proudly a terf and id highly suggest you guys block them. i blocked them a while ago but i still see them within my mutuals’ circles so uh lol
Do you think ziyal is cute?
In a little-sister like way, yes. I care for her like the sister I never had.
Have higher dating standards.
Why do I feel like this is meant for me?
We-e-e-lllll… if the boot fits!
It is largely for me too, though! I mean, I used to date men with standards so sub-par I didn’t realize I didn’t even like them. I think we all need it sometimes.
@kira-suggestion Are you dating the Odo in your universe?
Not anymore! It was a temporary relationship, but as much as I love him, it wasn’t romantic. After I figured that out, it just made sense to end the relationship-side and be friends again.
Have higher dating standards.
Why do I feel like this is meant for me?
We-e-e-lllll... if the boot fits!
It is largely for me too, though! I mean, I used to date men with standards so sub-par I didn’t realize I didn’t even like them. I think we all need it sometimes.
Have higher dating standards.