screaming from beyond the void

inactive; staying up for archival purposes

[ladybug-anon]

so the new video was... a thing

[ladybug-anon]

yknow i just realized that i dont think we ever got an answer to the wedding or callback debate... like i wasn't expecting them to flat-out say "yes you should have done [x]" but they literally only had vauge allusions to what the answer is

[strawberryjamus]

Wow very cool how this post didn’t include Remus of Janus /s

[ladybug-anon]

what a lovely morning to think about how much i hate virgil

[ladybug-anon]

anyways logan seems like the type to run a mogai cringe blog

[ladybug-anon]

might fuck around and start actually using this blog again

[ladybug-anon]

Ah yes another person who likes Patton, as a Patton kinnie I’m here to say heyo mayo!

hello !! i also kin patton hehe

[victimpatton]

maybe logan teaching patton how to repress his emotions, basically? and telling him that it's healthy? -(can i be 🍓🍋 anon?)

Here you go! (sorry it took so long I had to do some research for this and also my mental health hasn’t been Great) 

also absolutely no anon tags are taken

warnings: u!logan, sympathetic janus, sympathetic patton, victim patton, gaslighting, emotional abuse, depression

It’d happened again and again, Patton had let his emotions get the better of him; reaching a crescendo and spilling over onto Thomas. He’d tried so hard, really, he always did. And it was never enough. Recently, it seemed that he was at the root of all of Thomas’s problems.

Janus helped, a little, by taking the reins on some matters he lifted a little of that burden from the Heart. But even with his duties as Morality under control, his emotional duties continued to fall by the wayside. So Patton does the only thing he can think to do, and seeks out the assistance of a side he knows will be able to look at the situation objectively.

“I keep hurting Thomas,” Patton tells the logical side, fidgeting in place with distress. 

“I know.” Logan replies simply, tiredly, letting the book he was reading fall closed and turning his chair to face Patton. Even sitting he seems to loom overhead and Patton shrinks away from his irritated gaze.

“I don’t know what to do.” The emotional side elaborates. “I was hoping you would maybe have some advice.”

“Advice?” Logan repeats, thoughtfully, although the questioning tone is mostly rhetorical “Your problem is that you overreact to every incident, and your heightened emotions affect Thomas’s ability to think rationally. In short, you need better self control.”

“But,” Patton chimes in with a small hop, proud of himself for remembering what Logan had said before “Isn’t that repression? I thought that doesn’t work”

Logan gives Patton a look somewhere between patronizing and condescending. “For intrusive thoughts, repression doesn’t work. Controlling your emotions, however, is not only possible but necessary for Thomas to function.”

Patton feels another wave of guilt, remembering with a twist in his gut the way Thomas had teared up during their latest dilemma.

Logan sighs at this and continues. “It’s called compartmentalization. Essentially, it’s a system of prioritizing thoughts, feelings, conflicts, and putting them into certain ‘boxes’ within the mind. Done correctly, logically, it’s perfectly healthy.”

The emotional side nods slowly. “It’s like making sure your peas don’t touch your potatoes” he adds, scrunching up his nose in distaste at the thought.

“That’s a close enough understanding, I suppose,” Logan concedes, and his tone causes Patton to deflate, slightly.

“Alright teach,” Patton says, forcing the pep back into his tone. “Where do we start?”

Logan smiles for the first time since Patton sought out his help. “I’m glad you asked.”

It takes a long time, a lot of work, breakdowns and near breakdowns. Bottling things up only for them to explode. Scolding and harsh words from an impatient Logan. But eventually, Patton disconnects from his emotions. Everything in neat little boxes where they won’t cause problems.

And maybe he doesn’t feel much of anything, anymore. Maybe that includes the good things. Maybe he begins to feel like he’s just going through the motions of existence. The once cherished memories of his room gathering dust. And maybe Thomas is worried, because he can’t seem to feel things the way he used to anymore, either. None of the sadness but none of the joy, either.

But even if that’s the case, it’s better that way. Because Patton isn’t causing problems anymore. He’s not out of control anymore. He’s tucked away in boxes safe and sound. Compartmentalized, not repressed.

[ladybug-anon]

honestly the fact that i both hate roman and relate heavily to him probably... says something about me

[ladybug-anon]

i have NOT been posting on here and i'm sorry,,, but! i did get upset about something again so oop here's another post.

a lot of logan angst centers around logan feeling left out... which doesn't really make sense to me? like canonically, logan has been upset about being left out of discussions/debates, but i don't think it's because he wants to be spending more time with the other sides. in fact, when he is present, he seems frustrated that he has to work with others.

logan DEFINITELY doesn't seem like he'd want to be involved in "family activities" or hang out with the other sides outside of videos.

yeah idk where i was going with this really? i guess it just bothers me when logan angst is about him being upset that no one wants to hang out with him.

[ladybug-anon]

maybe i'm just really bad at reading people, but i'm not sure how janus was manipulating roman in svs? to me it seemed more like roman already wanted to go to the callback, and janus was kind of exploiting that for his own gain. which yes, that was kind of shitty, but it didn't seem that much like manipulation to me? idk :P

[sweet-hibiscus-tea-art-deactiva]

Your friendly neighborhood Roman stan is here to explain a bit, because I'm gonna be honest, when SvS first came out I didn't pick up on it either.

Janus was throwing compliments at Roman, and was only doing this to get Roman onto his side by flattering him. We KNOW he was only doing this to get Roman on his side because of what Janus said in POF.

"Don't- Don't try to flatter me, snake."

"I don't need to flatter you now, Roman."

[38:48]

Basically, Janus was using flattery (which he did not mean as genuine) to get Roman to side with him. He took advantage of Roman who was very obviously having trouble with his confidence, as we see him in SvS struggle to play off Janus' comments. I also refuse to believe that Janus was unaware of what he was doing, because 1. Why would be even be doing it and 2. It is so painfully obvious how uncomfortable Roman is, we can even assume Virgil picked up on it as he kept glaring at Janus whenever he did his flattery thing.

We also know that this HURT Roman, badly, because of this quote from POF.

"Of course not. He's just trying to build up a false confidence in you so that you can plummet to even greater depths."

[35:11]

While I do believe Janus knew what he was doing, I don't think he has any malicious intent at all. He was just trying to get someone on his team in hopes of getting Thomas to listen to him. His tactic was a bit cruel, but he wasn't trying to hurt Roman, and he would have nothing to gain from doing so. I just think Janus didn't realize how BAD Roman's confidence had gotten.

So yes, Janus manipulated Roman by trying to build up a false confidence, but I don't think there was any malicious intent.

I hope this makes sense ahsjfks

(Also don't take anything I say here as fact because honestly we dont know Janus' intentions yet this is just speculation !)

[ladybug-anon]

oh this is actually a v helpful explanation! ty!!

[unsympathetic-october-2020]

Welcome to Unsymptober 2020!

I am Mod Rose and I will be running this for y’all!

What is this?

Unsymptober is for unsympathetic sides of the tss fandom! You get one prompt a day, and it is your job to incorporate this prompt into something of your choice like a fic, artwork, or an edit. It’s kind of like inktober

–

Prompts

[img id: a calendar of October 2020, with a dark blue background. The title is Unsymptober 2020 in a grey text, and there is white text on every day, each containing one prompt /end id]

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Unsympathetic Patton

 Kneel

Choices

Unsympathetic Virgil 

Vanish

Mind Control

Unsympathetic Roman

Wrathful

Split

 Unsympathetic Logan

 Weak

 Ambush

Fade

 Unsympathetic Janus

 Monster

 Drowning

 Unsympathetic Remus

 Decapitated 

 Breathless 

Nightmares

 Unsympathetic Remy

 Revenge

Tears

 Unsympathetic Emile 

 Noose

 Brainwashed

Betrayed

 Unsympathetic Character Thomas

Reunited

Acceptance

Goodbye

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FAQ

Q: Do I have to do all the prompts?

A: You do not have to every single prompt, go at your own pace, and skip the ones that make you comfortable. 

Q: What is you main?

A: @strawberryjamus​

Q: What should I do after I do the prompt?

A: Tag this blog! I will reblog it and we will have a collection of works

[sanders-sides-uncorrect-quotes]

I've seen this thing going around where people give asks on their opinions of certain things on Sanders Sides, and it goes Strongly Agree | Agree | Neutral | Disagree | Strongly Disagree

So, if you could send in some of those in my inbox, I'd be really happy. I really like to hear your guys opinions on the show. (It doesn't matter if it's an unpopular opinion or not).

[ladybug-anon]

logic brain: you've been in toxic relationships that seriously damaged your mental health before. you know this. you literally have proof.

me: yeah but what if I'm lying to myself????

[logan-suckss]

I watched through season 2 (+aa) and marked down every moment I think Logan was mean, some have more than others, some are subjective, either way here ya go (I started this like a month ago and just now finished it so if stuff is inconsistent don’t @ me)

Accepting Anxiety:

-throws a laptop at Thomas, no apology or remorse (pt 1: 6:25)

Moving on 1/2:

-called Roman pathetic (2:32)

-guilts Patton into letting them in (7:34)

-insults theater (11:17)

-storms out when he forced them to go there in the first place (15:38) plus what he said about Patton

Fitting In:

-insulted the hair and took it as a personal insult?? “Just to make me look foolish then?”(0:35)

-casually insults Roman’s intelligence “you are on a clever streak today, which is unusual for you” (3:30)

-other comments that could be taken negatively (3:50, 7:05, 9:16, and 11:40)

-stopping Patton from wearing the onesie when it’s not his outfit or choice? (15:40)

Can Lying Be Good?:

-casually invalidates Patton’s main purpose “concepts of good and bad are arguably meaningless” (23:30)

-casually jokes about replacing Patton “maybe deceit wasn’t so bad” (23:60)

Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?:

-“I don’t usually call others in” straight up saying he doesn’t listen to others (4:40) (fr where did those “Logan is ignored!!” hcs come from he said himself it’s the other way too)

-getting mad at Roman making a genuine mistake + not letting him talk (5:30)

-THE CHART (15:59)

-facts aren’t Roman’s department, his reasoning is valid too :( (20:30)

Learning New Things About Ourselves:

-literally tells Thomas to ignore Patton (12:59)

-threw paper at Roman (15:58) I get he’d be a little mad but jfc

-wouldn’t share things to help until Virgil asked? no wonder he’s “ignored” he won’t say it unless you stroke his ego (20:40)

-told Thomas he had to quit yt and get a “real job” aka feeding into Thomas’s insecurity about being a yter (21:55)

-tried to stop the song even though it was for Roman to get his feelings out aka shaming his venting/coping (24:23)

-“not that I was wrong!” has to defend himself while literally trying to be more open minded (31:39)

Embarrassing Phases:

-getting upset Virgil when he’s trying his best (5:03)

-casually insults Vee and makes Thomas panic (6:40)

Selfishness vs Selflessness:

-doesn’t find Thomas’s friends important (13:45)

Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts:

-doesn’t care about Roman getting hit (6:32)

-just pretty rude to Remus the whole time but that’s subjective I guess

Putting Others First:

-made the lowdown’s too fast to read and didn’t slow them down after Roman failed reading the first time (14:40)

-said “not that any of you care but I am unharmed” when Roman asked “what have you done with Logan??” (36:20 and 32:00)

(If you have any you think should be added definitely tell me! I’ll give credit if it gets put on. The only one I won’t do is when he hit Patton with the lowdown, that sounded like a genuine accident and he said sorry)

[sandersfanders-abandoned]

Listen, whatever about unsympathetic sides, don't start making antisemitic jokes and Holocaust jokes. It's not "edgy" or "unsympathetic"

[sandersfanders-abandoned]

Do people just not think how this affects people? Jewish people in this fandom? The people who make Sanders Sides?

[bugpumpkin]

I've had complaints about this in the fandom before but usually they equate to "stop making Janus and Remus fit antisemitic caricatures when u try to make them look more 'evil'" and as we know, Its now.moved onto "stop making them the only POC when they're depicted as evil"- which is obviously no better BUT I never thought I'd see someone make actual prompts and jokes about things like the holocaust. I've been in some shitty fandoms before but never once have I been as outright offended and disgusted at the things in the fandom compared to the blatant antisemitism I've seen in the past year from this fandom. Just because the creators of the content for this fandom are diverse does not mean as fan creators you are exempt from being conscious and respectful. This fandom claims to be diverse and supportive time after time yet this happens so frequently now I don't know what to even say anymore. It sucks that as a queer Ashkenazi person in such a 'safe' fandom, the only times I've ever seen Judaism mentioned is when someone is being antisemetic. I have never seen anyone make one of the sides Jewish. unless they're being antisemetic. Everytime. without fail.

[canadianada]

Can I ask what posts these were? As a jewish sanders sides fan, what the fuck.

[bugpumpkin]

this has come up due to a blog making prompts in which Virgil called Logan Hitler and made jokes about being gassed whenever Logan told him off or sumthn. it was messed up but this fandom has had antisemitic stuff happen before

[ladybug-anon]

yes i'm following both logan positivity blogs and u!logan blogs what's your issue