An Analysis of the Hindi text in wbk 224 and 225
Hi! I've seen ppl do this for the jp raws and since I haven't seen anyone do an analysis of the hindi text yet I thought I'd do it myself :)
Obligatory disclaimer that while I'm a more or less fluent native speaker, hindi is still my second language so you're free to point out any mistakes I make.
Now, a few points I'd like to cover before we begin:
I believe there's a human translator working on the hindi text due to various reasons and they did a pretty good job for the most part. However, there seems to perhaps be some issue with the text processor that manga editorial uses to typeset the text in the manga because it has consistently fucked up the conjunct consonants—separating the two in some cases, and entirely omitting them in others, making certain lines look like complete gibberish.
In general, I feel like the english translation does a better job of expressing the actual emotions on display in the manga, so I'm not really aiming to improve upon that here. Please calibrate your expectations of the post accordingly as I'll be solely focusing on analyzing the hindi text ^^
I'll be following the format of: original text (with any typos fixed), a transcript, my translation of the text where I'll try to be as literal as possible, followed by my opinion of it, and suggestions for improvement for the lines that don't make much sense.
Some parts were really short phrases with little room for error so I've simply just transcribed those without any comments. I've also occassionally paired up some lines that needed to be looked at together to make sense.
Long post under the cut
Thank you for this analysis op!! I believe the translator did a pretty good job with the dialogues but the typesetting made the sentences seem all over the place 😅 This analysis is really good! There's just a few things I'd like to point out if you don't mind ^^;
For CH 224
वो रुक जा है! (woh ruk jaa hai!) There could be many ways this could be interpreted since the Hindi text makes no sense and the translation is completely different and doesn't address "ruk jaa" (stop) at all. It could very well just be "वही रुक जा।" (wahi ruk jaa!) or "वो रहा! वहा।" (Wo raha! Wahan!) If we stick to the English translation. Also thank you for fixing the matra on र it was bothering me when I first read the chapter 😭
ओए हरामी बच्चे! (oye harami bacche!) I share your sentiments because this genuinely caught me off guard as well xD However I feel "harami ke bacchey" does not feel better unless the men chasing the kid had something personal against the kid's parents so in comparison "harami bacche" sounds better. But that's just me! Your critique is very valid!
Also for the next lines I had the same reaction because it felt a little awkward for them to suddenly start speaking somewhat formally to the Furin boys after yelling profanities at a child not so long ago. A lot of it could have been said in lesser words. To be honest, them not placing उसे मेरे हवाले करो! (use mere hawale karo) first doesn't bother me much because they could've been startled by the guys showing up and addressed them first and moved onto their target next.
CH 225
For the first sentence I have to agree "Pehle tum logo ki baat sunte hain" sounds a lot better and complete. For "kya hua" I don't think it really stands out to me as being incomplete. But I think that might be because of a regional thing? Where I am it doesn't sound weird to just say "kya hua" to address a situation where both parties know the subject, so "yaha par" "idhar" etc. aren't exactly necessary imo since they all know what Rakta is talking about.
Also op I want to just mention that you've missed the nukta in "हरामज़ादे" which isn't a big deal but I think it shouldn't be omitted. Also the "हैं" should be "है" without the bindu since we use "हैं" when addressing a plural subject or as a show of respect which is not the case since it's one child and they clearly don't respect him :') (These aren't really that big of a deal but I think it adds to how complex the language can be and the translators still managed to do a pretty good job despite it. Although I may have some dissatisfaction with how the typesetting was done, I am happy that they made the dialogue seem quite natural.)
Again for the next dialogues, I agree they do seem a little flat. Not unnatural exactly just a mouthful to speak. They could've said the same thing with less words.
And yesss Rakta's parts felt so soft and comforting without feeling deeply emotional I'm so happy about that 🥹💖
क्या यह सच हैं? (kya yeh sach hai?) This is just me personally but I feel "kya wah sach hai?" or "kya yeh sahi hai?" seemed better but it's just me the dialogue itself isn't bad. Or maybe something more smooth would be "क्या इन्होंने जो कहा वह सच है?" which also matches the translation better.
Again in the kid's dialogue "हैं" should be "है" and "कही" should be "कई" because he's talking about an amount of time not place.
I love how careful Rakta is with his words with the child. He doesn't order him to hand over the food but includes himself as well like yeah let us return it together instead of putting the child in the spotlight 🥹
Calling Umemiya a man here feels weird cuz he pretty obviously looks about Rakta's age? But maybe he was trying to be polite idk.
I agree. "व्यक्ति" would've been better here imo.
Also op I'm not trying to be nitpicky but you've used "हैं" in place of "है" in a lot of places which isn't the correct usage of the word in some context 😭
Another thing, "बहोत" should be written as "बहुत" which is the standard spelling although it may end up being pronounced as "बहोत" depending on the local dialect. Similarly "जायेगा" should be "जाएगा" even though they have similar pronunciation, there's a rule in Hindi that when a swar can be used in place without changing the meaning then it should be used. If "य" is a part of the root word then it could be "ये" but that's not the case here. "फेक" is also missing a bindi over फे
That Rakta dialogue where he's translating for Ume is a little confusing in the original text because it changes how he's addressing Ume mid way and makes it sound like Rakta is speaking for himself instead of translating for Ume. The first part is again a mouthful to speak and the structure makes it seem a little awkward. "Fark nahi parta" seems to be the closest way to convey what the translation means.
BUT the Hindi used in the text (ignoring the translation for a moment) has interesting implications. The literal translation being "he's saying that he won't raise the issue of you hitting him" kind of puts Ume in a position of power as if saying he can escalate the issue but he won't. Which is interesting considering how people in Bankoku-gai are immigrants who are minority in a foreign country and are barely managing to survive and now this Japanese guy comes along and "forgives" them making him look like a benevolent person while I feel that man's anger was justified given his situation although violence may not be. I'm not sure if this was deliberate but it was an interesting choice of words for me along with him saying "you think throwing money will fix everything?" The translation doesn't convey the meaning that well which I feel was important here. The choice of words changes the tone of the dialogue.
Also please make it "मारने" and not "मरने" 😅
The next part is what I was talking about how they changed the way Ume is addressed. It should be something like "wah tum logo ka gussa samajhta hai" (he understands your anger) and the next one where he's referring to himself he could say something like "main issey bhi acchi tarah samjhaunga" unless he wanted to say that Ume said that (which he didn't)
It's "हिंसा" there's no "ग" in the word ^^;
Thank you once again for the analysis op!! Sorry for the long post I hope you don't mind! I can understand the effort it really is a lot of work and I really appreciate it!! Also thank you for your efforts in fixing the matras and half consonants! I've seen a lot of people share their thoughts about the translation and Hindi used and every person adds something new that I missed so it's always fun seeing people share their thoughts/analysis!!💖
Omg thank you so much for providing such a detailed breakdown of where I went wrong, I really appreciate it! I'm gonna be honest, I haven't written anything in hindi for close to a decade now and the small grammatical nuances have definitely escaped me :")
I've gone and fixed all the stuff you pointed out so I hope it's fine now!
वो रुक जा है! (woh ruk jaa hai!) There could be many ways this could be interpreted since the Hindi text makes no sense and the translation is completely different and doesn't address "ruk jaa" (stop) at all. It could very well just be "वही रुक जा।" (wahi ruk jaa!) or "वो रहा! वहा।" (Wo raha! Wahan!) If we stick to the English translation.
Agreed! I felt that the hindi text was trying to convey "there he is! stop!" but the order of the words got scrambled so I made my suggestions accordingly.
As for the "harami bacchey" part, it was just an expression I'd never heard being used in hindi before and there may also have been my mother tongue bias making it sound weird? It's really common to add "'s child" to a cuss to make it sound more offensive in my mother tongue and it doesn't really change the intended addressee so I may have thought it worked the same way in hindi.
"Kya hua" by itself sounds fine to me too honestly. But putting it together with the "akhir" from the previous bubble is what made it sound a bit incomplete. But yet again, it might just be regional differences!
Also yes, Rakta truly sounds so soft right 😭 He's so considerate in his choice of words and actions it truly makes me feel vindicated after weeks of ppl bracing themselves for him being some sort of unredeemable fiend lol.
क्या यह सच हैं? (kya yeh sach hai?) This is just me personally but I feel "kya wah sach hai?" or "kya yeh sahi hai?" seemed better but it's just me the dialogue itself isn't bad. Or maybe something more smooth would be "क्या इन्होंने जो कहा वह सच है?" which also matches the translation better.
Agreed again.
And yess "व्यक्ति" does sound much better choice of word than "आदमी"!
I truly struggled with the "वो कहता हैं की उसे मरने की बात वो नही उठाएगा" part so much lol. Like I fully got what the translator was trying to convey here but it was so hard to figure out a way to express it well in hindi, I ended up going with something that sounded closer to the official english translation. Your analysis of the wording is very interesting though! Makes me wonder how much Rakta has the Furin gang figured out/if he already knows who they are.
The next part is what I was talking about how they changed the way Ume is addressed. It should be something like "wah tum logo ka gussa samajhta hai" (he understands your anger) and the next one where he's referring to himself he could say something like "main issey bhi acchi tarah samjhaunga" unless he wanted to say that Ume said that (which he didn't)
Yeah exactly!! It confused me so much even while reading the chapter. I feel like the raw here might not have had a subject and the hindi translator and english translator here both inferred it differently.
And no prob, this was a way for me to condense all my thoughts on the chapters and also practice my hindi while I was at it lol. I really enjoyed reading all your comments and am very thankful for the grammar and spelling advice <3
That's is very much understandable so please don't worry about it!! It was a great analysis and I'm grateful you made it!! I'm glad I was of some help😊
I felt that the hindi text was trying to convey "there he is! stop!" but the order of the words got scrambled so I made my suggestions accordingly.
I get that! It was a tricky dialogue to understand. I have seen a lot more interpretations from people so any of them can be the correct one! I think it's hard to tell which is the most accurate one since we don't know what the sentence was originally supposed to be.
"Harami bacchey" in itself isn't weird because I've heard that expression a lot it's just that I never expected to see it in Wind Breaker so it came as a surprise to me 😅 Tbh "harami" is usually used by itself and sometimes the speaker might add the person it is being referred to, like "bacche" here or if it's a man then "harami aadmi" and so on so it didn't seem unnatural to me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts behind it because it's interesting to see these nuances of language across regions!
I think "akhir" was there for dramatic effect xD
I feel so happy!! Rakta is a reasonable and careful guy he won't resort to violence for no reason 😭
I think Rakta recognized Sakura for sure because it's not like he's easily forgettable. He also noticed the pass in Ume's pocket so he might be able to put it together that someone from inside is helping them. How he deals with the problem is what I'm looking forward to 👀
Oh that would make a lot of sense! I would have to ask someone who can read Japanese to share what the Japanese text said and that might help us figure out what the original was supposed to be
I'm happy to be of service! Thank you once again for the analysis!! It was a great read!! 💖