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its normal for girls
THERE'S NO WAY DELTARUNE CH 5 HAS THE MICKEYS DICK SMASHER PLANS
everyone in the tags is being so cruel and scolding this poor girl...
he fixed a bunch of potholes recently and all my gay neighbors won't stop posting shit like this
You forgot the other two.
I seem to have recently become the type of girl who will, in actual fact, kick her feet in excitement if she happens to be texting a charming young lady while in bed
making out with the girl a decade older than you and making her call you mom is always the right thing to do. and make sure she knows you're the one in charge at all times ok?
tomorrow im really gonna give it my nothing
She's perfect
NOT being a good girl today. barking and ripping things up and just freaking it
some of you could learn a thing or two
11 years estrogen.
With the Galsei subtext approaching critical mass, is the Deltarune fandom ready to acknowledge that Kris probably wasn't "born non-binary"? I get it, I get the appeal of that fantasy, but Deltarune is a game with a lot to say about gender and Kris, as a non-binary teen in a pretty cisnormative place, is part of that.
Mancountry. The pizza deodorant. Watching your dad do bonding activities that are for "the pals" and "the boys" only. The way the weird route puts Kris into the role of Groom in an abusive partnership, bestowing a ring onto their childhood friend in a white dress.
It doesn't invalidate the character, or anyone else, to pick up that there are gendered expectations placed onto them - even if it's not explicitly said by another character, there's a spectre in the air around all of those things. And that spectre is coercive gendering!
(of course, there's plenty to be said about how people are averse to really acknowledging the existence of non-binary transfems, and how "humans are just born without gender" is kind of a copout from having a trans protagonist in a story that heavily touches on identity, gender and dreams)
Sorry in advance for the lengthy ramble, was going to leave this in the tags but it got long-winded and probably annoying to read as a tags-only addition.
I think that the existence of the flower humans in this chapter contributes a lot to this (in OP’s favor). If the conceit of ‘born nonbinary’ Kris is that humans lack gender in this world, I think the very presence of the seven flowers erase that, and even if they don’t, I think this chapter reveals a lot about Hometown and its perception of gender.
Here are seven flowers, who have met and been influenced by a human (and possibly said human’s Dark World), who clearly believe that humans have gender as they take on their human forms. To the point of one of the two non-binary flowers, who chose their own name and identity, being questioned on which (not what) their gender is, and then being told it’s okay if they’re unsure (instead of, you know, nonbinary). Sure, their idea of humanity is shaky (one of them is quite literally in the form of a rat), and Green is just Green, but clearly they have gendered ideas of humanity, from the gendered society around them. (Contrast this with ghosts, who seem to be formed genderless and must transition to a state of having gender. Interestingly, both Mettaton and Pink are still struggling with this in Deltarune, whereas Mettaton had already moved forwards in Undertale!)
From a young age Kris and Noelle debate over who’d be a ‘king’ and a ‘queen’ between them, because that’s still the way a seemingly accepting town of queer identity functions. All of the married couples in Hometown that we’ve seen are still in M/F relationships with children. Susie is treated like an outsider in town in part for her roughness, and her refusal of feminine performance is treated as notable (e.g. not wearing ribbons most of the game). This is a world that still reinforces gender! And within that, Kris is often coercively pushed towards a masculine role, as you’ve stated above. It’s only really in the Dark World where Kris gets to step out of that, to try skirts and dresses, to explore more concretely what humanity means to them, whether they even want it (“…Have you had ears before? Cute and fluffy ears? […] Yes, you’re nodding. Obviously you agree. Obviously.”), and who they are—and even then, they’re being controlled by the soul. It’s also interesting to me that Aqua, the closest reflection to (a young?) Kris out of the flowers, is a girl, and how closely they seem to have been influenced by Dess. Perhaps they’ve felt pushed away from femininity as they age? As they continue to live in Asriel’s shadow?
Anyways, all of that to say. Agreed on all points, and I think Ch5 really supports this reading too!
With the Galsei subtext approaching critical mass, is the Deltarune fandom ready to acknowledge that Kris probably wasn't "born non-binary"? I get it, I get the appeal of that fantasy, but Deltarune is a game with a lot to say about gender and Kris, as a non-binary teen in a pretty cisnormative place, is part of that.
Mancountry. The pizza deodorant. Watching your dad do bonding activities that are for "the pals" and "the boys" only. The way the weird route puts Kris into the role of Groom in an abusive partnership, bestowing a ring onto their childhood friend in a white dress.
It doesn't invalidate the character, or anyone else, to pick up that there are gendered expectations placed onto them - even if it's not explicitly said by another character, there's a spectre in the air around all of those things. And that spectre is coercive gendering!
(of course, there's plenty to be said about how people are averse to really acknowledging the existence of non-binary transfems, and how "humans are just born without gender" is kind of a copout from having a trans protagonist in a story that heavily touches on identity, gender and dreams)
Sorry in advance for the lengthy ramble, was going to leave this in the tags but it got long-winded and probably annoying to read as a tags-only addition.
I think that the existence of the flower humans in this chapter contributes a lot to this (in OP’s favor). If the conceit of ‘born nonbinary’ Kris is that humans lack gender in this world, I think the very presence of the seven flowers erase that, and even if they don’t, I think this chapter reveals a lot about Hometown and its perception of gender.
Here are seven flowers, who have met and been influenced by a human (and possibly said human’s Dark World), who clearly believe that humans have gender as they take on their human forms. To the point of one of the two non-binary flowers, who chose their own name and identity, being questioned on which (not what) their gender is, and then being told it’s okay if they’re unsure (instead of, you know, nonbinary). Sure, their idea of humanity is shaky (one of them is quite literally in the form of a rat), and Green is just Green, but clearly they have gendered ideas of humanity, from the gendered society around them. (Contrast this with ghosts, who seem to be formed genderless and must transition to a state of having gender. Interestingly, both Mettaton and Pink are still struggling with this in Deltarune, whereas Mettaton had already moved forwards in Undertale!)
From a young age Kris and Noelle debate over who’d be a ‘king’ and a ‘queen’ between them, because that’s still the way a seemingly accepting town of queer identity functions. All of the married couples in Hometown that we’ve seen are still in M/F relationships with children. Susie is treated like an outsider in town in part for her roughness, and her refusal of feminine performance is treated as notable (e.g. not wearing ribbons most of the game). This is a world that still reinforces gender! And within that, Kris is often coercively pushed towards a masculine role, as you’ve stated above. It’s only really in the Dark World where Kris gets to step out of that, to try skirts and dresses, to explore more concretely what humanity means to them, whether they even want it (“…Have you had ears before? Cute and fluffy ears? […] Yes, you’re nodding. Obviously you agree. Obviously.”), and who they are—and even then, they’re being controlled by the soul. It’s also interesting to me that Aqua, the closest reflection to (a young?) Kris out of the flowers, is a girl, and how closely they seem to have been influenced by Dess. Perhaps they’ve felt pushed away from femininity as they age? As they continue to live in Asriel’s shadow?
Anyways, all of that to say. Agreed on all points, and I think Ch5 really supports this reading too!
thw nonverbal puppygirl would like to sit still between ur legs and nuzzle its face into ur bulge while you play video games for two to three hours
op mustve been leaking from its cage and humping its pillow when it made this
thw nonverbal puppygirl would like to sit still between ur legs and nuzzle its face into ur bulge while you play video games for two to three hours
op mustve been leaking from its cage and humping its pillow when it made this