yo tony whered u get that fresh pepperoni

PLS DO NOT REPOST MY ART THX. u can call me mer or heath (he/him) im gay and i draw shit. !warning for drawn gore! i made birthday kid. commissions, trades and requests are currently closed. important: if you see me use the acronym "MAP", it stands for "multi animator project" and nothing else.

[m3rdr]

Artfight Hypocrisy

So, my Limbus Company OC Jesus was recently deleted from @artfight for supposedly being "directly based on a real person"

Now, I want to specify that Jesus is not directly based on Jesus of Nazareth (who did exist). Yes, he is inspired by the Biblical depiction of Jesus, but is explicitly not the same person as the real life guy. He has his own original story, and in fact a key part of that story is that he is NOT provably actually THE Jesus of Nazareth, that is simply the role he was pushed into. This is made clear on his toyhou.se page. Also, I do not say this to act all smug atheist or to disrespect anyone's religion, but while historians agree that there was A Jesus of Nazareth, there is no concrete proof that The Bible is an accurate depiction of his life. As such, in this case we must treat The Bible's account of Jesus' life as a fictionalized version of events. In other words, my character is based on a fictionalized version of a real person, rather than the real person himself. Put a pin in that for now.

I messaged a mod to appeal the decision, and made the above extremely clear, but was rejected. The conversation is below. I have opted to redact the name of the mod I was in contact with so as not to direct any negative attention their way.

"to any extent", huh. "still based on literature about him", huh. Put a pin in those statements too.

"the Art Fight moderator team doesn't yet have a specific ruling [on BSD OCs], however the same rules about being directly based on real-life historical figures would apply to them as well" Interesting. So why are they still allowed on the site when my character wasn't? If one isn't allowed, it seems pretty clear cut that the other wouldn't be either.

I did message the admin account, but honestly I doubt I'll get an answer at all, and if I do it will likely just be a copypaste of what the mod told me.

I'd also like to point out that this is extremely unprofessional handling of the situation on @artfight's part. They gave me false information in the original on-site message by saying religious based OCs are not allowed, and then randomly corrected it later AFTER I pointed out it's hypocritical to only allow some religious figures but not others. If I didn't have such utmost trust in @artfight staff's integrity, I might almost be led to believe they were making rules (or more specifically, rule definitions) up on the spot. But I digress.

So my question to @artfight is, when are you going to start deleting every single Bungou Stray Dogs OC based on real life authors? What about BSD CBCs? A CBC of Osamu Dazai, for example, is just as much "directly based on a real person" as my Jesus OC, so why is one of those fine but not the other?

And hell, what about all the fictional characters based on real people? Authors basing their characters on real life historical figures or even people they personally know is a very well-documented phenomenon. "Based on real people to any extent" would include Alice from Alice in Wonderland, Count Dracula, Faust, Macbeth, just to name a few popular ones, but there are countless more examples. @artfight is saying that any and all characters based on those characters (or any other characters that are, no matter how loosely, based on real people) wouldn't be allowed on @artfight, because they're "based on real people"

At least, I'm assuming that is what this ruling means. Because anything else would be blatantly hypocritical and unfair, and of course @artfight staff would never enforce their rules unequally, right? Surely @artfight rules must apply the same to everyone.

right, @artfight ?

[m3rdr]

To be very clear, I don't actually think BSD OCs or whatnot should be deleted from artfight. Of course not, that would be ridiculous. I am just using them as a comparison to point out the hypocrisy of this situation.

This also is not simply about me being mad that my character was deleted. This is about artfight staff clearly having biases and enforcing their rules in a very blatantly unfair and hypocritical way. That should be a concern for anyone who uses the site.

[m3rdr]

I just wanted to say thank you for making Birthday Kid. I've been thinking a lot about it for the past few days. It helped me figure a few things out about my own life, and it almost allowed me to cry properly again for the first time in over a year (and I'm thankful it got me that close, to be clear). And after coming here from the game, I gotta say, the rest of your art is really cool, too!

this is such a late response, this ask got buried, but i wanted to still say thank you, it means a lot to me that my game helped someone.

[m3rdr]

dude the Jesus thing on AF is so bullshit especially when yours was far from the only Jesus on the site. hope they reevaluate the rule because that's ridiculous and would mean CBCs of like. Yi Sang. wouldn't even be allowed

thank you! i really hope they reevaluate it too. like i fully understand why "no characters based on real people" needs to be a rule, but imo there needs to be some flexibility with it.

though, if i'm being honest, i don't think af staff actually cares about jesus being a real historical figure (like you say, that'd mean yi sang cbcs are also against the rules. among many many other characters), i think what happened is some busybody reported my character for being 'disrespectful' or something, and af staff probably deleted him to avoid controversy, and just cited the "based on a real person" rule because it was the closest rule that technically applied (speculation only of course. im not accusing anyone) thats also why many other jesus characters are still on the site, no ones reported them yet.

it's a shame cuz i was actually planning to do a mass attack this year where i drew a bunch of people's jesus characters together, but i don't feel like i can do that now lest i put them on blast and they get deleted too 😔

anyway, as for your other question, anon, i don't want to discuss it publicly, just in case that would get me into trouble, but i'd guess it's probably fine (and honestly id love u for it)

[m3rdr]

anyway i think you should all look at my jesus limbus oc i think hes very cool :]

(icon by https://artfight.net/~04digitalman, identity card: https://limbus-company-id-creator.com)

[absolute-lust-resonance]

No way Jesus is hired by Limbus Company… that’s amazing. He looks cool though, love the beard and the coloured strand of hair. My favourite part has gotta be the scars.

[m3rdr]

livisart -> m3rdr

long overdue change tbh

[m3rdr]

i'd also like to say. i rly and truly did not make a jesus limbus company oc to be disrespectful to christians. i am not against christians or christianity as a whole, and purposefully offending christians isn't smth i set out to. i simply think jesus and the bible stories about him are very interesting and wanted to do a character based on that.

also, this is not smth i talk about a lot but i was actually raised christian. i grew up with bible stories, and with very traditional christian values being forced upon me for a large part of my childhood. i like to explore some of those stories and general christian themes in my art sometimes, whether that is because i just find them interesting, or to express and explore my own complicated feelings about my religious upbringing and religious trauma.

hell, i'm FAR from the first person to adapt jesus, let alone bible stories in general. why is me doing it any more disrespectful than any of the thousands of pieces of fiction about jesus out there?

i'd also like to bring up the fact that no other religion receives this amount of "defense"

people who get mad about me drawing jesus don't bat an eye at ocs based on say, norse gods. they don't harass random interenet artists for them. they don't protest outside marvel movies for their portrayals of thor and loki

"well of course, no one believes in norse gods anymore" actually they do. asatru still very much exists lol. it's a pretty small religion these days but why would a religion's size determine how much respect it deserves? not to mention, norse gods are still extremely culturally important in several countries.. (as a swede, i honestly have just as if not more of a right to be offended by whatever the fuck marvel did to loki than any christian has to be offended by my jesus art.)

like why is christianity considered so uniquely sacred in a way other religions arent?

[m3rdr]

anyway i think you should all look at my jesus limbus oc i think hes very cool :]

(icon by https://artfight.net/~04digitalman, identity card: https://limbus-company-id-creator.com)

[m3rdr]

Artfight Hypocrisy

So, my Limbus Company OC Jesus was recently deleted from @artfight for supposedly being "directly based on a real person"

Now, I want to specify that Jesus is not directly based on Jesus of Nazareth (who did exist). Yes, he is inspired by the Biblical depiction of Jesus, but is explicitly not the same person as the real life guy. He has his own original story, and in fact a key part of that story is that he is NOT provably actually THE Jesus of Nazareth, that is simply the role he was pushed into. This is made clear on his toyhou.se page. Also, I do not say this to act all smug atheist or to disrespect anyone's religion, but while historians agree that there was A Jesus of Nazareth, there is no concrete proof that The Bible is an accurate depiction of his life. As such, in this case we must treat The Bible's account of Jesus' life as a fictionalized version of events. In other words, my character is based on a fictionalized version of a real person, rather than the real person himself. Put a pin in that for now.

I messaged a mod to appeal the decision, and made the above extremely clear, but was rejected. The conversation is below. I have opted to redact the name of the mod I was in contact with so as not to direct any negative attention their way.

"to any extent", huh. "still based on literature about him", huh. Put a pin in those statements too.

"the Art Fight moderator team doesn't yet have a specific ruling [on BSD OCs], however the same rules about being directly based on real-life historical figures would apply to them as well" Interesting. So why are they still allowed on the site when my character wasn't? If one isn't allowed, it seems pretty clear cut that the other wouldn't be either.

I did message the admin account, but honestly I doubt I'll get an answer at all, and if I do it will likely just be a copypaste of what the mod told me.

I'd also like to point out that this is extremely unprofessional handling of the situation on @artfight's part. They gave me false information in the original on-site message by saying religious based OCs are not allowed, and then randomly corrected it later AFTER I pointed out it's hypocritical to only allow some religious figures but not others. If I didn't have such utmost trust in @artfight staff's integrity, I might almost be led to believe they were making rules (or more specifically, rule definitions) up on the spot. But I digress.

So my question to @artfight is, when are you going to start deleting every single Bungou Stray Dogs OC based on real life authors? What about BSD CBCs? A CBC of Osamu Dazai, for example, is just as much "directly based on a real person" as my Jesus OC, so why is one of those fine but not the other?

And hell, what about all the fictional characters based on real people? Authors basing their characters on real life historical figures or even people they personally know is a very well-documented phenomenon. "Based on real people to any extent" would include Alice from Alice in Wonderland, Count Dracula, Faust, Macbeth, just to name a few popular ones, but there are countless more examples. @artfight is saying that any and all characters based on those characters (or any other characters that are, no matter how loosely, based on real people) wouldn't be allowed on @artfight, because they're "based on real people"

At least, I'm assuming that is what this ruling means. Because anything else would be blatantly hypocritical and unfair, and of course @artfight staff would never enforce their rules unequally, right? Surely @artfight rules must apply the same to everyone.

right, @artfight ?

[m3rdr]

ill be real ive been sick for most of the past week including today so i really do not have the energy or will to do a birthday draw this year however pls know pepper is living the dream on my tomodachi life island

[m3rdr]

i keep forgetting to post this but yea i am doing artfight this year as well. am on team fossils

Art Fight

An art gifting game

[m3rdr]

What book is your limbus OC based on? They look super cool!

thank you!! he's based on Mio, min Mio by Astrid Lindgren (also known as Mio, my son in english)

it was one of my absolute favorite books as a kid and is probably my fav out of all of Astrid Lindgren's works :]

if i were to try to briefly describe it, i'd say it's a fairytale that is also the barely disguised escapist fantasy of an abused child. but that's barely even scratching the surface tbh. it's chock full of symbolism and themes and it's all brought to you in the most heartwrenchingly beautiful lyrical writing you will ever read and i am not exaggerating when i say that.

it's not one of Lindgren's most famous books, but imo it's extremely underrated and i HIGHLY recommend it.

(though fair warning the english translation kinda sucks and REALLY doesn't do the writing of the original justice)

[m3rdr]

PLEASE SURVIVE

[m3rdr]

rq before canto VIII drops please consider: barber ryoshu. thanks

[m3rdr]

actually have some more Mios

[m3rdr]

det var en gång en konungason, som var ute och red i månskenet

[m3rdr]

[anemia]

Goretober prompt list 2024!

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