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May I just say that Toby really cooked with Asgore's motifs this chapter? And just the flower castle vibe overall?

Like the Flower Castle OST is a banger obviously, but Flower Foyer is absolutely majestic.

And dare I say Flower King might be the best iteration of Asgore's theme that he's ever had.

Even That Day is perfect for the scene it plays in.

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Some Deltarune theories I really REALLY don't like

Rudy knight - feels like a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist and isn't all that narratively satisfying. Heck I'd be LESS surprised if it's Carol than Rudy and I don't think it's Carol either

Kressel - same as above: plot twist for the sake of a plot twist and not all that narratively satisfying. But also it's from a subgenre of theories where it feels like people are upset that they can't project onto Kris so they make it so they can't possibly have a leading role in the narrative and need to have a supporting role instead, this one being in support of us. I could go on about why I hate this theory but now is not the time.

Susie is the hero of Deltarune - look I like this direction for her character but I feel like people are forgetting that it's supposed to be an escapist fantasy for her and that lens is just so much more interesting to me than just "Susie is the chosen one who will save the day"

Kriselle knight

And I think that's all. Good thing that I'm not that deep in this part of the fandom.

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Why not Kriselle knight? No hate, just genuinely curious on your thoughts.

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It just sounds kind of silly to me. And you would have to go through a lot of assumptions to make it work specifically on how amalgamates work and timeline shenanigans.

That could also be the reason why I don't like most of the theories mentioned here and just overall - you have to make a lot of assumptions instead of just focusing on what you have.

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Some Deltarune theories I really REALLY don't like

Rudy knight - feels like a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist and isn't all that narratively satisfying. Heck I'd be LESS surprised if it's Carol than Rudy and I don't think it's Carol either

Kressel - same as above: plot twist for the sake of a plot twist and not all that narratively satisfying. But also it's from a subgenre of theories where it feels like people are upset that they can't project onto Kris so they make it so they can't possibly have a leading role in the narrative and need to have a supporting role instead, this one being in support of us. I could go on about why I hate this theory but now is not the time.

Susie is the hero of Deltarune - look I like this direction for her character but I feel like people are forgetting that it's supposed to be an escapist fantasy for her and that lens is just so much more interesting to me than just "Susie is the chosen one who will save the day"

Kriselle knight

And I think that's all. Good thing that I'm not that deep in this part of the fandom.

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Why are there so many people thinking that Deltarune will have a tragic ending or bittersweet at the very least?

Like Undertale's neutral endings aren't exactly happy but you can still get the happiest ending for almost everyone even when you didn't think you would.

Chill guys it will be fine. We might have to possibly literally crawl through hell but it'll be fine.

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The last part and then overanalyzing this game (and trying to get myself to draw.)

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We're almost done with these y'all.

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These are so fun to make.

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So I made more text posts and will be making more.

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Started making Deltarune text posts so I can giggle to myself

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Susie and Kris have a lot in common for sure but one of the things they have that I did find kind of funny is that both have assumed that they're unlovable for one reason or another, when I could make a whole list of people that absolutely adore them.

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I don't think we're appreciating the irony of Kris disliking anime while their most direct shadow boss parallel is an anime cat girl enough.

Kris you wanna tell us smt?

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I was literally looking if I could pre-order tLKoF only to find this cover for QoAaD that I have never seen before. Are these covers for the anniversary?

So does this confirm Bi-4-Bi Blackstairs? Or something?

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I just know that Valentine is crashing out in the afterlife over his grandson being half-fae.

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I have literally spent so long trying to find the meme I had in mind for this and I finally found it.

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I like how Noelle and Kris have different reactions to the trauma of the weird route. Since everyone experiences things differently. But the reactions that they do have are kind of the opposite of what you would expect them to.

Noelle is really timid and kind of weak-willed, but she is still kind and helpful and polite. You'd think that being manipulated into killing people would slowly demoralize her and turn her into a soulless tool but that doesn't happen. She is instead empowered by the experience. It gives her an opportunity to break out of the mundane cycle she feels trapped in. It's terrifying to her, sure, but you break her enough to believe she can do anything as long as "Kris" tells her to. And even that doesn't work because you can't really abort the route in chapter 5 anymore. Saying "stop" wouldn't do anything since Noelle just says "proceed" herself. And then there's the "aborted"/drowned weird route or side A, where Noelle doesn't let herself and Kris drown but all of that still happened.

We learn from the egg rooms and the sword route that Kris may have had some violent tendencies as a kid. Possibly bordering on sadistic, if you were to trust Eram. They should be the one finding enjoyment over holding so much power and control over Noelle just based on the hints from their past, but that doesn't happen. Kris resists you at every possible moment throughout the run, trying to undo the damage you did like comforting Noelle or helping Berdly. They absolutely despise you for putting them in this situation and more importantly forcing Noelle in it. By the time we reach chapter 5 Kris refuses to entertain you. You literally need to force them out of bed to continue playing. It really feels like you're just controlling a soulless puppet who is just a means to interact with the game.

It's not the reactions that you'd expect at first glance, but given the context it makes perfect sense. Noelle did have some concerning fantasies with her dialogue at the lake paralleling the one on the normal route. While Kris is actively fighting against their unwanted thoughts, choosing to be more empathetic and kind.

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Can't wait for the Deltarune OST titled Axe of Justice and Deltarune to emotionally destroy me

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If y'all found Noelle's face sprites during the weird route lake scene disturbing just wait until you see the unused over world sprites for this scene.

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So am I the only one that thinks it's more likely that Kris had/has a crush on Noelle than on Susie?

Because a lot of Krusie interactions that people point at as evidence can be interpreted both romantically and platonically, including the hot spring scene. Whereas Kriselle interactions are very in the "friends" in quotations but still very obviously care about each other territory.

Ever since I replayed chapter 4 to prepare for chapter 5, I got the impression that Kris and Noelle had some kind of childhood feelings/interest in one another that never really got resolved with the DessAppearance making it impossible to do so. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was forced upon them in some way by Carol. The way Noelle talks about her ride with Kris on the ferris wheel to Susie feels like she's cutting things out or changing things as to not throw off Susie. Like when Susie asks her how she felt back then, Noelle drops her head in something close to sadness or shame before jolting back up saying she doesn't remember. Either she really doesn't or there's something she doesn't want to tell Susie. Oh and let's not forget that Kris is listening to this from the closet. When Noelle brings up the ferris wheel you can see Kris blush which the only other time they do during the scene is when Susie brings up their flirting skills which is very obviously a gag.

The hints are both before and after this chapter: like how Noelle questions their friendship and subsequent relationship when you say that they're friends to one of the Addisons; at the beginning of chapter 5 Kris picks up a photo book of past festivals, flipping through it and stopping specifically at a photo of them and Noelle before closing the book. During the festival you get two flashbacks to their childhood, one from Noelle and one from Kris: the Noelle one is triggered if you vote her and Kris for Festival King and Queen where she reminisces about asking Kris to put their names into it when they could barely spell them and then being genuinely upset when Dessriel won instead. The Kris one is when you put Suselle on the ferris wheel and then choose the "think about something else" option, where Kris thinks about Dessriel riding the wheel and them trying to throw a dirt clod at Dess in the window (lol) only for Toriel to pull their ear for it. There's some ear pulling shenanigans between the parents with the flashback ending in Noelle holding Kris's ear in confusion (but also maybe comfort?) This flashback is interesting to me because I'm pretty sure it's the first time we get a peak into Kris's past directly from them, practically unprompted, instead of an NPC. And it is unprompted because when given the command to think about something else, Kris turns to their relationship and bond with Noelle. They could have thought about something silly or about Susie, but no it's Noelle.

The weird route is obviously apart of this conversation but since this post is already long enough and I still want to talk about Krusie I'm just gonna summarize it. In this route you exploit both Kris and Noelle's darkest thoughts into their worst extremes. And yet, this path also has the most romantic implications between the two no matter how twisted. Almost like a romantic relationship between Kris and Noelle is also something they'd rather not think about that much, even if the thought is there.

All of this kind of reframes the Krusie scene for me. Kris mumbling the "you and Noelle will work out" command makes sense even beyond shipping cause it could be Kris's abandonment issues and emotional repression kicking in. Emotional repression is the key here, because Kris staring at Susie in a "are you fr right now" way when she asks them if they prefer humans or monsters while knowing that they grew up surrounded by monsters, is more in character to me than a yearning stare. You even get a dialogue option saying "you're not stupid" afterwards. And as for the "you're cute when you're embarrassed" option that could just be Kris being a little shit. You get similar dialogue choices with Ralsei in the early chapters. And in this chapter we also learn that Kris doesn't really know how to show love to someone besides flirting. (You learn that by defeating Floradinn with love in order to open a door. The only act you have is flirting with them with Susie immediately questioning if they have to do that and Ralsei chiming in asking Kris if they know other ways of showing love. You can literally see Kris deflate with every statement so they just ask for the classic of Susie's Idea regardless if she actually has one.) So that dialogue option doesn't mean much especially when Kris doesn't even fully commit to it, they say it so fast that Susie can't figure out what they said. Honestly that entire scene feels like Susie asking Kris for something they're nowhere near the state to provide. Especially when we make them say things that could have worked better as thoughts.

Look I'm not trying to fully deny Krusie. I love their dynamic and while I prefer it platonically I can see the one-sided angst aspect of it. I just feel like Kriselle is hinted at more consistently even if I know it's not going to be even remotely canon. They just need to have an honest talk about their relationship and that would solve about half their problems.