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Lois and Clark | Superman & Lois 4x08
i’m convinced that literally every time clark looks at lois (especially when she’s in action), he just thinks to himself “yup, that’s my little menace to society. god i love her.” with like heart eyes. because clark kent is and always will be a lois lane fan first and a person second. and honestly same.
while whenever lois looks at clark (especially when he’s being a clumsy himbo) she just sips her coffee and thinks to herself “yup, that’s my hulking dork with all his rippling pectorals. god i love him.” with like do-me eyes. because lois finds his dorkyness (and his body) very attractive and she’s always dehydrated.
Lois & Clark | Superman & Lois 4x08
the best thing to happen to lois lane is clark kent falling madly in love with her. not because he’s a great guy, but because having superman in love with her allowed her to crank up her danger seeking tendencies like 20 notches and basically turn off her self preservation skills. and i love that for her.
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is katara obligated to wear orange/yellow in every single one of her outfits ever since she ended up with aang, while he wears NOTHING of water tribe?
It's really funny when doctors and medical professionals don't like, meaningfully understand how comorbidity works. "oh, it's very unlikely someone would have all these rare conditions at once"
yeah. maybe that would be fair to say about say, discrete viruses. but about syndromes?
like. the conditions of the human body don't know that they're taxonomically discrete. they don't know that they have different names or lists of symptoms. if a human body has a consistent issue with say, its heart rhythm, or its inflammatory response, or its glandular response, or immune system
the reason that ehlers-danlos syndrome (EDS), mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), postural tachycardia syndrome (PoTS), IBS (irritable bowel), autism, and even shit like coeliac and PMDD or endometriosis overlap is bc like. these are largely inflammatory issues or issues with the fascia
It's not "what the fuck, how can this person have all these different things wrong with them", bc these are largely like. syndromic definitions of how x bodily issue manifests in different systems, structures, or organs of the body
many of these conditions change in definition over time
and that's bc they're studied and understood more over time where people more meaningfully understand underlying causes and issues, such as through hormone or genetic profiles, or largely like. immune response
it's also how "rare" conditions become understood as more common over time
idk like. not to be on my soap box on this specific issue but this is what happens when you don't teach medical professionals philosophy beyond the basic ethical shit. the reason philosophy is important to medical study is so you don't mistake etymological or philological issues for scientific ones
This isn't even philosophy, this is basic probability stuff. (although a good intro to probability or statistics class will teach you the related epistemology topics). P(A) can be quite low while P(A|B) is still pretty high
So, theory time
The way Jonathan is so annoyed with Clark makes it obvious that Clark lived to a time that Jonathan will be old enough to remember his 'motivational speeches and promise to a better tomorrow' and get annoyed by it. And if Lara is younger than Jonathan, Clark definitely lived to see some of Jon's life.
But not as Superman.
So Clark tried to make Jon into the next Superman. If he kept the mindset that ' Clark isn't what everyone needs, Superman is. " he could've accidentaly tried to mold Jonathan into the person he once was. But I think with that mindset something went terribly wrong. Maybe Clark died.Kara might have died too,considering Jonathan's response to the way Kara got terribly injured this chapter.
That's why Jon resents him and takes on the mantle of 'Superman', he has the idea that his way is better than Clark's ever was.
On the other hand Lara doesn't seem like she had much of a relationship with Clark. She is meant to be a mirror to Kara. Lois or 'General Lane' and Brainiac both have a toxic parental relationship with their respective 'daughters'.
I'm guessing General Lane is similar to the Lois we saw in the previous chapter 'the ex-games' .She isn't afraid to sacrifice things for the greater good. One of that things can very well be her relationship with her daughter. Just like Clark tried to mold Jon into a new superman, maybe Lois tried to turn Lara into Supergirl. In her worst Lois becomes a very controlling person, so this explains why Lara turned out this way.
This is very rough but sums up my theories about the future Jon and Lara come from.
I read into the line “you weren’t there” more and so I thought Clark still wasn’t able to parent Jon at all. Either because he died again, or he went off on his own (like he does at the end of this episode) and didn’t back.
Jonathan and Lara seem relatively close in age so Jonathan could have been as young as 1-2 years old when Clark left the picture. He was referred to as Jonathan LANE not Kent after all.
The General Lois Lane and Lara stuff I totally agree with. It’s very much giving “Are we destined to repeat the mistakes of our fathers?”
This interpretion is very possible too. I looked at this more from a perspective that compares Jon who came first as Superboy and the Jonathan, 'Superman' we saw this episode. Still, I'm open to any possibility and it's fun to discuss this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Jon lost his father when he was a baby, but he didn't resent him. In fact Jon was even eager to get to know him, he listened to his lectures and modified his behaviour accordingly. Something we didn't see from Jonathan second time around.
If Jonathan's dad Clark died before they could get to know each other, wouldn't Jonathan's and Jon's behaviour be the same towards Clark? Jon's future was bad too, in fact he didn't even have Lois around and lost his only parental figure Kara. But he doesn't resent Clark one bit, and takes on the name Superboy. Not an attitude of ' I'm the better Superman' can be found in his behaviour as opposed to Jonathan
I think Jonathan's resentment can come from the fact that Clark didn't die alongside Superman. And the person this fact turned Clark into, left a lot to be desired as a parental figure.
Yes but he did have Kara, who I imagine was telling Jon a lot about Clark and Lois giving him a more positive image of them both along with being a good aunt that’s emotionally present. Here Lois is still alive but way more emotionally distant. I think it’s more likely THAT’S what causes the difference.
Lois goes General Mode, puts a whole bunch of Superman expectations on Jonathan, and that’s what causes the resentment. Jonathan wouldn’t have been expected to be Superman if Clark was there but he wasn’t so Clark isn’t allowed to claim the title anymore. I don’t see General L. Lane reminiscing with her children that much.
As someone who really grew to appreciate Amanda Waller thanks to reading Ostrander and Yale's excellent Suicide Squad comic. I really appreciate that they had MAWS Waller get some character growth after last season.
I was all ready for her to be another problem and then she started making SENSE?? Assigning blame PROPERLY instead blinding blaming the one alien she saw??!
My flabbers were gasted in the best way possible. MAWS has proven very capable of doing that repeatedly
I know we had an episode called Death of Superman, but what Kara is put through feels like something out of a "Death of" type story. Also, if anyone has been wondering which Dragon Ball character she takes after, turns out she is Piccolo with how she got put through the wringer to protect the son of her former enemy turned best friend that she mentors in another lifetime.
Also, this is definitely a Kryptonian healing coma.
I know, right?! We made it through episode 5 and all thought “Oh Death of Superman is just metaphorical then, okay. We’re not doing a full death death”, we felt safe, then BOOM psych, Kara’s dead!
Also Jimmy gonna feel REAL EXTRA STUPID now, huh?
This show, y’all
Uhm. Brainiac's core is still in the Fortress of Solitude, right? And the robots in there got all ominous and weird when Clark and Bizarro went in.
So, maybe I'm crazy and wrong, but what if Brainiac got into the systems. Or what if he's one of the keys to getting Clark's powers back and waking up Kara.
Also remember the stewards were already acting sus at the very begining of the season. I KNEW that shit was gonna come back to bite them in the ass.
I’m not saying Brainiac isn’t a possibility, I also think the fortress stewards could totally be just punishing Clark for ignoring them and their customs.
So, theory time
The way Jonathan is so annoyed with Clark makes it obvious that Clark lived to a time that Jonathan will be old enough to remember his 'motivational speeches and promise to a better tomorrow' and get annoyed by it. And if Lara is younger than Jonathan, Clark definitely lived to see some of Jon's life.
But not as Superman.
So Clark tried to make Jon into the next Superman. If he kept the mindset that ' Clark isn't what everyone needs, Superman is. " he could've accidentaly tried to mold Jonathan into the person he once was. But I think with that mindset something went terribly wrong. Maybe Clark died.Kara might have died too,considering Jonathan's response to the way Kara got terribly injured this chapter.
That's why Jon resents him and takes on the mantle of 'Superman', he has the idea that his way is better than Clark's ever was.
On the other hand Lara doesn't seem like she had much of a relationship with Clark. She is meant to be a mirror to Kara. Lois or 'General Lane' and Brainiac both have a toxic parental relationship with their respective 'daughters'.
I'm guessing General Lane is similar to the Lois we saw in the previous chapter 'the ex-games' .She isn't afraid to sacrifice things for the greater good. One of that things can very well be her relationship with her daughter. Just like Clark tried to mold Jon into a new superman, maybe Lois tried to turn Lara into Supergirl. In her worst Lois becomes a very controlling person, so this explains why Lara turned out this way.
This is very rough but sums up my theories about the future Jon and Lara come from.
I read into the line “you weren’t there” more and so I thought Clark still wasn’t able to parent Jon at all. Either because he died again, or he went off on his own (like he does at the end of this episode) and didn’t back.
Jonathan and Lara seem relatively close in age so Jonathan could have been as young as 1-2 years old when Clark left the picture. He was referred to as Jonathan LANE not Kent after all.
The General Lois Lane and Lara stuff I totally agree with. It’s very much giving “Are we destined to repeat the mistakes of our fathers?”
Kara having a way more violent fighting style than Clark when forced into dire situation is a cool detail. The girl was raised to be a living weapon, when push comes to shove years of training to be a killing machine comes out.
Real Dr. Doofenshmirtz moment from Lex this episode.
I’m saying this now ahead of watching anything about episode 5 but the stewards of the fortress from the beginning of episode 1 this season are ABSOLUTELY coming back to be a problem later, right?
Like there’s no way they show up THAT ominously and they don’t come back to screw Clark and/or Kara over in a MAJOR way.
Sooooo I was right…. ooooof you know
go read (Will You Still) Call Me Superman or I'll bite your limbs clean off :)
link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/31787494/chapters/78687646
So the Superman hyperfixation was inevitable, wasn’t it? There was nothing I could do. That was just written in the stars? Who am I to defy the stars
What was I supposed to do?
i did that one meme