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this is my 13th reason. gootbye

only the kindness of Gold, without the Order, for now

#rbing this again because it wallpapers the inside of my brain #OP this is my favorite Messmer and Marika fanart ever i think #queen marika the eternal #messmer the impaler

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epicfroggz

Low-key i find the Abyssal serpent so fascinating, maybe because Michael zaki didn't explain anything about so it open the door for so many different and interesting interpretations.

Sidenote: it's called the wicked serpent in Jpn ver which is weird given it's different than what messmer called it in his 2 phase dialog.

Yeah, I agree! I subscribe to “not everything that looks evil is actually evil”, which is the vibe Messmer exudes, why would his serpent be any different? Like, at least be evil with nuance. Also, in eng ver of Messmer’s kindling it’s referred to as a “wicked serpent”, so maybe they just picked all slightly different translations of the same word ahah. If you know of a post or tweet or something going over the japanese text of Messmer’s remembrance etc, that would be super interesting to see!

- Froggo

messmerposting

something that’s been bothering me lately is that in my opinion Fromsoft is very deliberate with their word choices, and if they use the same word to describe more than one thing, oftentimes you’re supposed to make a connection between the two. so what, if any, connection is there between the Abyssal Serpent and the Abyssal Woods? why would they use the same word to describe two very important concepts that belong to seemingly completely unconnected questlines and have no immediately obvious similarities? idk it’s been keeping me up at night. is this just an oversight and we’re really meant to think of it more as the “wicked serpent” like you sort of propose in this post?

i have more thoughts about this but don’t want to go off too hard unprompted on your post lol.

epicfroggz

I have been thinking about this too! As someone who takes Fromsoft’s words literally (too literally sometimes), I agree there must be some connection.

The Abyssal Serpent’s main traits are its darkness and its ability to compel fear, to the point even Marika, literal God, feared its power. The Abyssal Woods’ main traits are its darkness and ability to compel fear, to the point even Torrent, who’d ride into hell with us, is too fearful to go there. Take a look at the map’s description:

“Map of the abyss at the east of the Gravesite Plain. A thick forest sprawls at the depths of the ravine that is untouched even by sunlight. Known as the sanctum of Sage Midra, and is a region forbidden by the hornsent.” (Map: Abyss)

It says the region is “forbidden by the Hornsent”, and “untouched by sunlight”. I imagine after the crusade that the Abyssal Serpent is also quite disagreeable to the Hornsent, and is “shorn of light”, and it also features powers of an accursed fire. What can we do with all these obvious similarities? I dunno! It’s kinda driving me mad. Might have to go join Midra here in a second…

- Froggo

messmerposting

i really like how you articulated this, i hadn’t been able to convince myself of any literal connections between the two but bringing up how they both compel fear (and the accursed flames) are really good catches imo.

i previously wrote a little post somewhere else discussing what i think are the thematic similarities between the two so i’ll just share that here.