Latin Lover Podcast w/Cibernetico notes
Podcast link: https://youtu.be/HUycYSvltgM
Recap of Latin Lover's podcast with Cibernetico. One of the very top stars in Mexico from 2003-2007 and most charismatic wrestlers people in wrestling.
Cibernetico and Latin Lover talked about all the jealous wrestlers and people they had to navigate. Being some of the few people that trained bodybuilding like them. They had a similar path.
Both started wrestling at around the same time. 1-2+/- years
Cibernetico grew up in Mexico City. A son of divorced parents.
He always wanted to be a wrestler. His father was a big fan and always take him to shows. His father was a huge Canek fan. At age 7 this began.
Cibernetico started training at 16-17. A student at Ham Lee's gym. He transfered to another gym under Ojo de Tigre. Who did not do a very good job training him. Mostly took his money and gaslit him into believing he was ready.
Ciber found out how ready he was once he started training at another gym and was immediately punked out by the trainer. He instantly grew fear for the trainer at this new gym.
One day he confronted his new trainer and asked be trained how to really wrestle from him. Ebano Ruiz.
Ciber says a wrestler should only need 18 months to be ready to work.
They both agree that ability is not the only quality you need to be a sucessful wrestler. Ciber saying if it was really like that, than many of the opening match workers would be in the main event, and many main eventers would be in the opener. "If it was fair".
"Fortunately! Wrestling is not fair!" Ciber laughs and screams
Ciber brings up he was able to get the fans on his side in CMLL. Which many thought would have been impossible. Saying that many go there and do not get any reaction or ignored.
He admits being nervous to work CMLL. Calls it big test for all wrestlers.
Ciber talks debuting in UWA working legends since his first match. They were tough 15 day tours. Working every day for 2 weeks at a time.
He was picked on by Shu el Guerrero. He recalls always getting beat up by him. He finally got fed up and confronted him after weeks of abuse. Ciber was ready to fight. Shu told him this was all a lesson in order to value the spot he was given. Villano V was also a big bully of his in the same way.
He had to earn his way in. Ciber reveals that he was paid $50 pesos a match in UWA and worked his way up to $200 pesos a match. It was taking a toll on him and his body. He lost size.
Ciber brings up wrestlers now being idiots on social media posting pictures without their masks. He thinks these idiots should stop clowning around and take it off if they don't respect it.
Ciber joined AAA in 1995. A year after his debut in UWA. Noting this would be the last chance he would give himself to do something in wrestling. He was fed up with the lifestyle and being broke all the time.
Ciber was working as a security guard for some bankers. A job his father had set up for him. It paid well enough. He was ready to leave wrestling over the lack of money.
Villano 3 called him up about a new promotion starting up named Promell. All the ex-UWA guys were heading over to there. The pay improved to $800 pesos from $50 per match. This brought him back into wrestling.
It lasted until the guys abandoned Promell to go their seperate ways. Ciber then joined AAA.
Latin Lover met Cibernetico in AAA. They hit it off for being some of the only wrestlers that would train like bodybuilders and aim for a good physique. They would train together and Ciber's mother would cook for them.
Latin Lover said they would go to restaurants together even when they were programmed against each other. Latin did not think it was a big deal. They would even split the bill.
These 2 were working a show in Laredo and had a show the next day 2 hours away. Latin Lover convinced Ciber to get a ride from girls who were part of his fanclub. The girls were driving them, but the car broke down and overheated.
Latin and Ciber went to a nearby river to retrieve some water for the car. It worked but, again broke down 5 miles later. Eventually they hitched a ride with from a truck driver. They got to the show as it was ending.
Latin and Ciber quickly changed in the truck. They put together a plan to start having their match outside and reel the people back into the building. Latin and Ciber threw their suitcases at each other and began to brawl. The fans that were leaving the show were circling around and would follow the match back into the arena.
These 2 had their match to end the show. Ciber jokes that he was paid double since singles matches are paid double in Mexico.
At a AAA show Latin Lover was heading to the back after a match and felt a very rough strong hand grab his ass. He was frozen from the groping. Latin looked behind him and asked "who did it?". To his surprise it was a dark tall, grown man wearing a vest and a hat. Think Cien Caras.
This fan said it was him who groped Latin Lover. Latin asks the man again if it was really him. "It was me. So what?" and the tall dark stranger twirled his moustache.
Latin said the only response was to hit him and he did. He knocked the fan down to the ground and made his way to the back. As they were in the locker room the door was kicked in.
This fan kicked open the door and said he was looking for that fucking Latin Lover because he was going to kill him (pistol in hand).
Sangre Chicana, who was changing by the door quickly de-escalated the situation. Telling the fan that he would take care of it and fuck him up. This fan threatened the promoter and said he would be waiting outside.
Latin snuck out and did not wrestle at this town for another 6 months.
That next show, Cibernetico came up with a plan after being told the story from Blue Demon Jr and Humberto Garza.
Ciber went out and bought a vest,hat, moustache, and toy gun. Before the show, Cibernetico in costume, kicked in the locker room door. He yelled "where is that fucking Latin Lover? Now I'm really going to fuck him up!"
Ciber explains that Latin was tying his boots and froze up. He threw a sandal at Ciber. Latin was scared shitless and thought he was really going to die. So scared that in the match, he was dancing around the whole match on the apron. Trying not to stay still in order to avoid an eventual shooting that never occured.
Cibernetico who was very close friends with him, knew Parka wanted to retire soon.
Latin Lover brings up Hector Garza. Who was another good friend. Latin introduced supplements to Garza. Who then got bigger, after already being naturally big.
He had a match with Latin and Garza gave him a chairshot to the head that left him knocked out. It was by accident. But Latin describes symptoms of a concussion.
They were to have a match the next day. So Garza felt bad about the chairshot and before the match brings Latin Lover a chair. He tells him to return it to him during their match. "however or wherever he wants". He insisted after Latin did not want to.
Latin gave him a return chairshot, but the chair had slipped in his sweaty hands and cut Garza open. Hector needed 8-10 stiches afterwards. Antonio Pena in gorilla was reprimanding Latin because blood was not allowed on TV at the time.
Cibernetico brought up his mask match he won after waging his mask against La Parka's world title. The first time a mask was waged against a belt. Later that fueled their rivalry and eventual mask match. One of the biggest matches in AAA and modern Mexican wrestling history.
Ciber still maintains a fandom for wrestling. Attributes his success in wrestling to this burning passion that he never lost.
The subject changes to retirement talk and finding a new passion after wrestling. Ciber compliments Latin for doing things outside of wrestling. He believes when one retires, they should not want to wrestle any more.
Ideally that everyone retires and does not need to wrestle in order to eat.
Latin says nothing makes him feel the way wrestling does. A person that has been on primetime national tv, movies, morning shows.
Ciber explains that there are star wrestlers right now that are not really stars. They just work main events. Then there are "superstars", that are the real deal.
"It's like looking at the sky. The few that get to touch the top are the real stars." "…and those that do..it becomes more difficult to retire."
"There is nothing like hearing 20,000 fans screaming your name..there is nothing like that."
Ciber thinks that the real superstars get that star reaction from 40K fans. Those are the few real stars.
Latin talks about wrestlers not preparing for life after wrestling.
Ciber brings up Shocker. Being a bad example for others. He says when he saw Shocker at a show recently, he spoke with him. He recalls Shocker being a beast in CMLL early on.
Ciber: Hey do you want to die?
Shocker: I feel like I do.
Ciber: Then fucking die already. Die. Don't be causing pity. You are giving a disgraceful image. Just fucking die already. We will remember you at your best.
Shocker: Well, maybe not yet.
Ciber: Stop your bullshit and get it together then.
Latin Lover really compliments Shocker and his career. Even noting that he turned AAA upsidedown when he came back.
Ciber thinks Shocker can make a comeback. If he just puts in some effort, the fans will take him like he never left.
Latin Lover weighed a comeback too. But he thinks it's changed so much from what he did. Ciber calls him a pioneer for being one of the first stripper wrestlers that could also brawl. Says current talent should pay their respect.
Latin remembers wrestlers burying him for what he did in his career. He brings up Gronda.
He tells the story about Gronda getting injured after his major knee injury. It was when Gronda caught a plancha from his cousin, El Oriental. Gronda could not base to save his life.
When Latin went to see him in the back, he saw someone trying to adjust Gronda's knee back in place. But he knew it was destroyed. He hopes to get him on the show in the future.
Ciber thinks he was addicted to putting on size. He was super impressed by his body. Gronda was still training hard and putting on size when he was out with a bad knee. Ciber calls that a major mistake. He should have slimmed down to help his mobility.
Latin Lover once shared a room with Gronda. Said that Gronda would mix a large protein and oats shake to have at bedside. Gronda would set an alarm to wake up every 3 hours to eat his shake.
They both talk about needing less mass as they get older. To maintain good health.
Latin Lover was so sick of working with Gronda. Because Gronda would stain his gear with all the red paint he would wear. He confronted Gronda about him paying to get new gear made after staining it after working a tour.
Gronda did pay up. He was a top draw at that time. After that, Latin changed from white to red gear.
Latin and Ciber talk about their dieting. How Ciber would get so extreme with it that he would go into the kitchen at the restraants they went to, to prepare his meals. He would teach them to cook unseasoned, boiled chicken and rice.
They both competed in a bodybuilding comp and Latin Lover won.
Ciber revealed that he suffered a collapsed lung in his match with Pagano. Calling it his toughest match and advises new wrestlers to not wrestle Pagano.
Latin Lover tells high flyers to calm down and to regulate their high spots.
Latin Lover then tells a story about doing a media tour with other famous actors and stopping to get gas. He says the people instantly recognized him and asked for pictures. They deemed the actors less approachable. Latin thinks wrestling allows them to be more relatable to all people. Breaking all social barriers.
Cibernetico says it has opened a lot of doors for him. He is able to speak and socialize with anyone. Including politicians and people from other social gambits.
Ciber criticized the older generations for being angry that the younger people have it easier than them. But that the new generations should be patient and try to learn for themselves too.
They both run down all the things they've done outside of wrestling.
Ciber acknowledges he did not know how to cook besides his diet food when he did Masterchef. He notes that housewives and people that know nothing about wrestling come up to him and compliment his time on the cooking show. They end up surprised that he's a wrestler.
Latin Lover brings up Ciber's exotic pets. Joking that he had a monkey (as a jab to Konnan).
Cibernetico said it's important for wrestlers to save their money. But he also was shamed into saying he threw away a lot from partying and women.
They both prelude to divorce costing wrestlers a lot. That it's tough to turn some people down.
They joke about burying Chessman. But will save if for off-air.
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