We Deserve The Truth

Enough is enough! We rely on our twitterkru, tumblrkru and leskru ambassadors to work for the greater good and unfortunately two of these three branches have not been honest, dragging the third in the mud, spreading propaganda and lies. Clexaforever, Clexa Germany and Oktaivia have decided to answer your questions regarding this 'trendgate'.

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Anyhow we gots to go to bed (some of us already are), will read @elizajanesface ‘s response in the morning and reblog/reply if necessary. In the spirit of fairness, we try to reblog responses here as they come since this blog is supposed to be a gathering of receipts and statements. 

However bears repeating that it is best if there is proof to back up your statements if you have any to make. 

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Uh 13%? Does @elizajanesface just like taking numbers out of nowhere? According to Gofundme..

Largest sum would be 9%. Still more than Paypal but that does not actually account for the interbank exchange rate and the loss of money taken from converting USD to PH Pesos and then back to USD again (and for every transaction). 

Kickstarter also has 5% fees of total funds raised and then the actual processing fee is 3% + .20 currency of pledges over 10 of currency. This is the same rate for every country Kickstarter is available in.

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It can go up to 13%.

Also, my paypal is actually in Dollar and so is the credit card (we have dollar caeds here in the Philippines) linked to it.

There are no conversion fees from currency to currency.

The donation was also strictly only in dollar. The currency conversion would’ve been incurred at the rate of the credit card company.

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It doesn’t add up. Gofundme does the addition for you and shows the total, it doesn’t exceed 10% in any of the scenarios, that’s the point.

If you don’t even understand the way the pricing works wtf are you handling the money?

Okay fair about the USD account then and currency, that’s good to know. There is still going to be twice the service charge - if Paypal takes 5% each time (once for the donation, once when you pay for the billboards) you’re stilling hitting 10% which is the max gofundme takes (for charities and orgs, for individuals it is less), so that doesn’t make much sense.

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Uh 13%? Does @elizajanesface just like taking numbers out of nowhere? According to Gofundme..

Largest sum would be 9%. Still more than Paypal but that does not actually account for the interbank exchange rate and the loss of money taken from converting USD to PH Pesos and then back to USD again (and for every transaction). 

Kickstarter also has 5% fees of total funds raised and then the actual processing fee is 3% + .20 currency of pledges over 10 of currency. This is the same rate for every country Kickstarter is available in.

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@elizajanesface

Can I just point out that this is in no way an actual argument? Completely meaningless if by her own admission her family earns the equivalent of about 27k USD a year, then it means 15k USD is actually over half of what they make.. in a year. Just because someone is already living comfortably that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have motive to add half their yearly income to their pocket out of the blue?

Besides which it also doesn’t mea much in terms of currency especially if/when travelling or purchasing foreign goods. 

Also to make it clear I am not accusing her of running with the money or planning to, nor do I mean to imply it, I’m saying it is a valid concern and that her supposed argument for why it shouldn’t be a concern is bogus.

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And an other thing that someone reminded me of just now, has @elizajanesface ever explained why the heck funds were amassed directly to her personal paypal? I’ve seen the question being brought up a few times but each time the question was ignored or avoided. 

The fact is they could have at least set up a Gofundme which IS tied to a paypal, but shows you exactly how many donors there are and how much money has been amassed thus far. Better yet a crowdfunding website that holds the funds and only release them once the campaign is over or the goal has been achieved, would have been the ultimate gesture of good faith and the correct way of handling transparency while also affording privacy to whoever was going to be handling said money to pay for billboards. 

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Transcript for those who cannot listen, and the hearing impaired.

Donator calling Chris Martin from Lamar in LA to get an update about the posters. Seems like he gave some information that is in conflict of what @elizajanesface and @lgbtviewersdeservebetter.  I also wonder how come it only just now came to light that it is a ‘trusted friend’ outside the movement who is handling the money and the contract? 

We also have confirmation that someone else called and spoke to a Mike who corroborated some of the information above.

It’s interesting that the focus shifted away from the Billboards to the trademark mess when they missed the initial deadline for the payment... It is also interesting that they demand full transparency from LGBTfans and demand to know the name, number and home address of the person who filed for trademark, yet are suddenly unwilling to share the name and personal info of the person who signed the Billboard contracts and who is therefore responsible for any fuckups. On account of what? That this trusted friend is doing it as a personal favour? Why wasn’t it mentioned before? Who says that it isn’t the same for LGBTfans, there are legit safety reasons why they wouldn’t want to give out the name of the person who filed.

It’s also interesting that lgbtviewers and Mix pointedly ignored asks about the billboards right up until today when suddenly several people called and suddenly the fact none of it was paid has come to light. 

You know what else is interesting? LGBTfans has never asked any of us for money. They have also never claimed leadership of the movement. They literally do not owe us transparency about anything, it is a courtesy at best - yet on the other hand LGBTviewers and Mix in particular has in turn claimed leadership (self-appointed) and asked for money. To go to a personal paypal account based out of the Philippines. She literally OWES you full transparency because two in one, she called herself a leader and she took your money. How come she’s the one with all the info but the ‘council’ elected by tumblr knows nothing about the billboards which supposedly represents them... But she has the gall to use excuse after excuse. She’s ‘busy’, ‘a friend is handling’... Hm I wonder how else she is going to try and Mix it up? 

And don’t worry, more receipts are coming after I’ve eaten dinner... But goodness do I love Teasday ;)

(JK, read the sidebar)

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So...

I see a lot of people throwing around accusations of lack of transparency from the LGBTfans peeps regarding trademarking and the pledge.

One of the common things that keeps popping up is the request to get the filing number and the name of the person who filed for the TM, which you also need a physical associated street address for.

Let’s examine why it’s a terrible idea to ask this in public on the internet, and why the LGBTfans people might be reluctant to share. 

 It’s the internet which means anyone could be reading including people who are mentally unstable, or simply hateful enough to physically harm or harass the person who filed for it. It also means anyone from the CW could be reading this and sending threats or trying to blackmail the person who filed for it into relenting. Need I remind you some people got real creepy and real obsessive when you mistakenly thought @commanderoswald had been to Jason’s house?

 Some of you have admitted your goal is to try and contest the TM, that’s like handing your padlock to someone who wants to rob you.

 If it isn’t in the database yet you literally have no way to verify this information. 

None of you have stated why you want this information beyond transparency. 

If they filed for a TM they probably consulted with an attorney.

Also ever thought that they may just be humble and don’t want to take credit for something that is meant to be for all of us? I don’t know about you but I’ve noticed they’re not bragging about it as individuals, not on tumblr, not on twitter, not on lchat. Why? Because they’re not pretending to represent us. They are us.

Why is no one freaking out about the ™ on “The Fandom Revolution™” title of @lgbtviewersdeservebetter ? Is it... maybe... because... it’s something ridiculous to freak out about? Really it’s just something that is all around positive. Unless you want to go on a witch hunt and make sure every single person who has participated in this movement doesn’t work for the CW? It’s just such an absurd thing to freak out about. Pretty sure LGBTfans haven’t directly been involved with trends for the last two weeks, they support the trending council over on twitter and that’s it. They aren’t trying to control any of us.

Even if they were trying to appropriate the movement what the hell could they do? They couldn’t do shit about it, they can`t sue any of us who use it under fair use. Plus if they were CW, then you’d be falling right into their trap since you’re focusing and obsessing on a fucking trademark sign instead of planning, organize and brainstorming some additional moves and ways to further our cause. So... congrats, you’ve played yourselves. Like if they are CW then you’re playing into their diversion tactic of obsessing on something so meaningless instead of expending your brain power doing something constructive, and if they aren’t CW (spoiler alert: they aren’t), then you’re just causing more in fighting and once again wasting time being unproductive. 

Lastly I think it is pretty damn obvious why they filed for a TM with the pledge now out. It is a way to protect the image of the movement - do you remember how embarrassing it was for Black Lives Matters people when those two girls crashed the stage at a Bernie Sanders rally wearing BLM shirts? Those girls weren’t officially affiliated with it in any way, but they had to spend a lot of time cleaning up after that mess specifically because they haven’t protected the name.

Which also means that unless they have proof of their involvement with the movement from early on, that TM request will be denied. And guess what that means? That means it cannot be people from the CW and it cannot be people trying to profit off the movement to make a buck. 

With the pledge now around it makes sense that they would want to protect our reputation as a fandom - a socially conscious fandom desirous of real change - as well as protect the signees. It protects us as fans from having our movement stolen by the CW. The TMing associated to the pledge means the CW can never ever fucking claim they came up with it as a ‘genius move to apologise’. It came from us the fandoms, the viewers the public. It is ours.

For those complaining that this wasn’t brought up before... Really? They were clearly working in direct link with showrunners and writers from Saving Hope who likely didn’t want anything to be public until everything was cemented. I would bet my best tit that they were asked to keep quiet about it until everyone was ready to sign an the pledge went live. 

Which by the way is fucking amazing. It’s huge! No it’s not a contract but in some ways it is better. A contract uses the threat of legal repercussions which means your motives for doing things is purely so you don’t get in trouble with the law. It’s a transaction. A pledge on the other hand is a gesture of good faith, you’re instead putting your integrity on the line. You’re offering your word and your word is tied to your reputation and your image as a person, as well as your honesty. No they won’t go to jail if they fuck up, but their future viewerships and future employers probably won’t trust them, and your word is incredibly important in this industry. 

This is literally what we have been working for from the beginning - we now have something tangible to trigger and cement long-term change in the industry regarding the treatment of LGBTQ characters. We are actually getting shit done as a fandom, it’s pretty amazing. So I find it pretty interesting that someone who works in the industry and claims to be fighting for better representation, refuses to sign something that tangibly supports better rep and even offers guidelines on how to do that. I would definitely question this person’s motives and true alignment... are they really working for the movement?

Guess you’ll have to stay tuned to find out. 

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I agree all the fake accounts are suspicious. Weren't they kept out of the count, though? Wasn't that one of the rules? If they weren't then that sucks.

Since the new turns of the events, we will let this rest. 

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Hey, what are the Leskru short term goals?

Hello,

please visit http://lgbtfans.tumblr.com/ for that kind of questions.

Thank you!

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These are just a few examples of the accounts that voted for Clexa Brasil, Spain and Commander_Press... Doesn't this strike you as odd that not one of these accounts are active or even exist? Just some proof of how into detail I went into counting these votes again.

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So it took me 3 hours but I decided to count all the Twitter council votes myself. I eliminated all the fake votes (fake accounts that voted for certain accounts) and people who voted more than once (duplicate votes that only counts once)... I took all the faults possible woth the votes into account and this were the true numbers that I got about the Twitter votes and how many votes every account REALLY received!

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i guess it's less of asking clarification but more about the twitter poll. can a person be representatives of tumblr and then twitter again? which is what i am seeing with one person being nominated again. wouldn't that be a disproportion because she's technically a voice from tumblr? i just want to bring attention to this. not to start drama. so i guess. don't publish this. pls have a nice day!

Please contact the runner of the Poll about this,we do not have any further information since Lchat is not going to be a part of the council. But we fully agree on your concerns!

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Please post this @ all the readers of this blog: If you can, please vote in the twitter council. Make your voice heard. Ensure that those whose message you agree with have a chance of winning (you can check #LGBTfanstwittercouncil for platforms). Voting ends Wednesday.

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sorry. same anon who asked about the twitter poll. i think it was false alarm and i misread a name. i just feel it's important to be cautious becuz of the options i saw on the latest tumblr poll on trends. those were....extremely unfortunate

I mean in all fairness some people have a ‘presence’ consistently on multiple platforms, but yes, that is something to think about and I personally don’t think that people should be nominated twice unless they’ve shown they are accurately capable of representing interests for all parties they represent. I do think it makes most sense to nominate separate candidates while allowing the ‘public’ from all platforms to vote multiple times, since indeed I think most people are ‘cross-platform’, just some have an emphasis on one or the other.

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i see parts of the movement attacking the trevor project now because it does not align with their specific method to improve lgbt representation. it feels so hurtful. i get that we should try to find the best approach. but to tear each other down with hate in the process is not worth it. i've been trying to help with what i can since 3x7. tweets, letters. sharing articles. because i felt so depressed i wanted to heal. can we just respect each other's different take and not worsen the pain?

Don´t let this hurt you. Attacking a Charity Foundraiser praised in media and from the cast  - ADC and Co - speaks for itself. I strongly advise you to stay away from people and blogs that do so. And if you get upset, maybe you go to the Trevor Project Site and read the comments in the donations. 120k raised in awareness of the pain that the LGBT youthness is in. People all over around the world have donated because of this. The death of Lexa not just only started a movement, it actually hurted people in such a way, that gay and straight persons donated to this. I see no fault in that. In my eyes - and I can only speak for myself - improving LGBT represantation means to help in any way possible. If I can help, I will do it. And with that, I don´t mean that you have to spend money on any Foundraiser or Billboard. Sometimes, spending a little time to actually sit down and listen and trying to be there for the ones in need is more valuable than spending money. And the LGBT youth are the ones, who need our comfort the most. If I can donate money to them, I will. If I can spend time to be there for them, I will. I just do whatever I can to help the LGBT community. And tbh, I don´t care if some people try to take down a Foundraiser Project. Because I focus on moving forward and to be able to do something that matters and that helps. Trying to destroy something was never an answer. So please don´t let yourself getting dragged down. Don´t let yourself get hurt. Talk to anyone you trust in order to being able to heal. We are here. - Clexa Germany

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Why are people missing the fact that Mix/elizajanesface and Clexa_Brasil talked about doing a takeover of the movement when there shouldn't be takeover because it belongs to everyone?! Also the part about taking money for their own expenses should really be a red flag to everyone! My mind went around to SCAM! All I want to say is be careful everyone and make sure you have full details on what you're donating to make sure they use services like crowdfunding where the amount raised can be seen!

We can only agree. Please only donate on puplic services like crowdfunding.  If not, make sure to demand refunds.