NGM

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[bells-shrink]

yeah. i blocked you because i'd already tried explaining it to you MULTIPLE times and you were still trying to twist my words. i already had to THREATEN blocking you because you didn't care about anything i had to say, so obviously i'm just gonna do it if you continue not to, no? i'm not just gonna roll over on my back and continue a conversation with someone that doesn't care to understand who they're arguing with.

[bells-shrink]

also, that post absolutely could've been left at THAT post. you started crossing lines when you made your own independent posts and started spamming them with fandom tags

[naturemagnolia]

Oh, is that so?

You mean Anti-shipping posts can be made publicly without issue, but any defense must be silenced? And "left at ONLY THAT POST"...?

That’s nothing but blatant bias. If they block me in that case, all the comments I worked hard to write will become meaningless, and I cannot just stand by and watch that happen.

You completely ignore the existence of those who carried out so-called “terror acts” using public tags, yet you take issue with me simply for exercising my right to speak.

In fact, the person who first started this showed me more understanding just a few hours ago compared to you.

Living in a country that upholds freedom as its banner, but for someone like that, you show a surprising lack of understanding of others’ rights.

[naturemagnolia]

Some people seem to thrive on chasing controversy, and I’ve clearly encountered one of them.

To come across someone who acts like a Nazi while also admiring works mired in Japanese right-wing disputes.

That’s about as rare as being hit by lightning.

I’m putting this down plainly, and it’s a relief that I reblogged it, now there’s proof of the kind of person I was talking to.

[ilovemen7]

Call me a nazi i couldnt care less since I am not one anyway

Thing couldnt find stuff to attack me so it used something else I liked

Just because someone likes AoT doesn’t mean they’re a far right supporter jesus find something else

[naturemagnolia]

All I did was mirror back exactly what you had done.

I can say it out loud.

Because our nation was once a colony of Japan and came close to having its identity wiped out, I find it beyond pathetic when I encounter someone as careless as you.

Think hard about how, in the discussion you steered, you reduced the annihilation of entire peoples to nothing more than a tactic to win a debate.

Frankly, more than half of your brain seems occupied by the Axis powers of World War II. It’s such a serious state that I honestly have nothing more to say.

[ilovemen7]

‘Your’ country? Just say where without making me guess bug I assume you are south east/east asian then. If you read what I said, I do not like Japan NOR Imperial Japan 🤗

This thing putting straight bullshit into my mouth when its is it way more filled than mine

[naturemagnolia]

Reflect on what you’ve carelessly tampered with: nations, peoples, histories.

From now, this is no longer just an issue between you and me. People will judge. And there will surely be those who remember the absurd attacks you dragged in just to win the Adbell debate.

You have recklessly expanded the front line, and in the end, that will only lead people to question your mindset.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[bells-shrink]

yeah. i blocked you because i'd already tried explaining it to you MULTIPLE times and you were still trying to twist my words. i already had to THREATEN blocking you because you didn't care about anything i had to say, so obviously i'm just gonna do it if you continue not to, no? i'm not just gonna roll over on my back and continue a conversation with someone that doesn't care to understand who they're arguing with.

[naturemagnolia]

Even now, “blocking” is becoming the central focus of this conversation.

Just like a few hours ago, the discussion is gradually drifting away from the main point. And as you can see from the comment your acquaintance chose in our earlier exchange, this is turning less into a ship debate and more into pointless attacks.

If your acquaintance hadn’t written a post in the public tag, I wouldn’t have stepped in again. Looking back over the past month, you can clearly see the pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments.

[bells-shrink]

"my acquaintance" and i barely even interact with them 😭 even if you can "clearly see a pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments", you're still actively contributing by making your dumb little discourse posts and putting damn near EVERY related tag on them. denying that you've ALSO started these arguments at times would be plain hypocritical

[naturemagnolia]

To be clear, I have never been the one to start a fight.

It has always been someone else who initiated it, and I only responded. I replied in the public tag simply because someone had posted something offensive there.

The reason anyone makes a post publicly is to put forward an argument, isn’t it? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t they also expect a rebuttal?

I acknowledge that my initial words were somewhat harsh. However, I was outraged by posts that discouraged people, and I wanted to make it clear that there was a dissenting voice.

[ilovemen7]

Israel propaganda spewer

[naturemagnolia]

When you can’t win an argument, the only thing you resort to is framing it as politics. I’ve seen far too many people like you, and I’m sick of it.

[ilovemen7]

Benjamin Netanyahu on tumblr watch out

[naturemagnolia]

you’re obsessed with painting me as a politician.

Every one of your immature words is being recorded in reblogs.

[naturemagnolia]

Some people seem to thrive on chasing controversy, and I’ve clearly encountered one of them.

To come across someone who acts like a Nazi while also admiring works mired in Japanese right-wing disputes.

That’s about as rare as being hit by lightning.

I’m putting this down plainly, and it’s a relief that I reblogged it, now there’s proof of the kind of person I was talking to.

[ilovemen7]

Call me a nazi i couldnt care less since I am not one anyway

Thing couldnt find stuff to attack me so it used something else I liked

Just because someone likes AoT doesn’t mean they’re a far right supporter jesus find something else

[naturemagnolia]

All I did was mirror back exactly what you had done.

I can say it out loud.

Because our nation was once a colony of Japan and came close to having its identity wiped out, I find it beyond pathetic when I encounter someone as careless as you.

Think hard about how, in the discussion you steered, you reduced the annihilation of entire peoples to nothing more than a tactic to win a debate.

Frankly, more than half of your brain seems occupied by the Axis powers of World War II. It’s such a serious state that I honestly have nothing more to say.

[naturemagnolia]

Some people seem to thrive on chasing controversy, and I’ve clearly encountered one of them.

To come across someone who acts like a Nazi while also admiring works mired in Japanese right-wing disputes.

That’s about as rare as being hit by lightning.

I’m putting this down plainly, and it’s a relief that I reblogged it, now there’s proof of the kind of person I was talking to.

[naturemagnolia]

ilovemen7, again.

Who’s the one obsessing over the word “rape” right now? Isn’t it you?

It’s laughable. Pure cherry-picking.

You only want what suits you.

You proudly write on your blogs that you “value canon.”

Instead, you passionately reblog things about Adler getting pregnant or having an abortion. But tell me—where in canon is there any basis for Adler being able to get pregnant?

Listen carefully: you don’t care about canon.

You’re just using it as a shield to justify your own kinks while attacking other ships.

Canon is nothing but a cover—you never cared about it from the start.

You know what your problem is?

After moving to another fandom, you’re harming the people and the community you left behind.

And honestly, with your obsession over the word “rape,” I sincerely hope you consider getting psychological counseling.

[ilovemen7]

Digga Im not in the mood to use fancy words or wording this properly.

I love and prefer canon yes but why am I ‘reposting’ Adler being pregnant? Because I like the creator’s art. I do not like the headcanon of Adler being trans but still I am just supporting my favourite artist. Can I not do that? And yes, my favourite word is ‘rape’ as of now.

I do not have a pregnancy kink, unlike someone else. I know someone who does though, you defended them a long time ago if I remember? I might’ve forgot but I’m sure you’ll know who I am talking about

Most Adbell shippers claim this flag

[naturemagnolia]

If you want to attack Jews, I won’t stop you.

Whether you get caught up in Nazi controversies or not, I won’t care.

The surname Adler is both a Germanic surname and one of the representative surnames among Ashkenazi Jews.

What do you think about that possibility?

If you want to attack, use your head—don’t destroy the very platform you’re standing on. ^^

[ilovemen7]

Since when do the ‘jews’ have a flag? As far as I know it’s for ‘israelites’. I don’t have nothing against jewish people. This thing has been made as a joke against Israel and zionists. Not every israeli person is a zionist though, I know that.

I also knew that about his name, thanks❤️‍🩹

Also, again, use your main account no one will shit on you for shitting on me

[naturemagnolia]

So calling an entire fandom 'rapey' is your idea of serious discourse, but using geopolitical conflicts and Jewish identity is 'just a joke'?

The hypocrisy is unreal.

You got exposed for your ignorance, and now you're desperately trying to save face.

It’s too late, everyone sees right through you.

[ilovemen7]

People can call me whatever they want idc lmfao😭😭😭 i dont care if I am a hypocrite too

I doubt you can read what I said properly also

Yes, people are trying to make Adler look like a rapist, honestly kinda weird to me. This is how the fandom looks like to me from now on❤️‍🩹

[naturemagnolia]

Labelling the entire group as a “Rapey fandom”, generalize them just as you please?

What you are doing is like poisoning the well and killing the entire village.

You’ve focused too much on the provocative elements, and in doing so, you’ve trampled over and erased even the good memories from your own fandom.

[ilovemen7]

Im taking a fat ass dump

Im literally only poising my moots with reblogging this bullshit

I doubt there were good moments in the fandom since everyone is starting a fight after a month of it being calm lmfao

You literally talked shit about Bell self-shippers, no? Not my fault almost all the people in it make Adler seem like some kind of rapist (and I assume its just because he also committed war crimes)

[naturemagnolia]

Bell committed war crimes too.

Using real-world ethnicities and identity as a cheap weapon just for a silly ship argument was completely reckless. Bringing in something of that scale just to vent your petty frustration is absurd.

The logic self-shippers use to attack Adbell relies on framing Bell as a pure 'victim.' But if I actually agreed with that framing, I wouldn't be able to view Bell as a sexualized one in the first place—which is why I brought it up.

What they’re doing is a blatant contradiction, and I was simply pointing out that hypocrisy.

[ilovemen7]

Im wont even try explaing it again to you half brained bird

[naturemagnolia]

Alright, if you say you’re going to GG, what can I say?

[ilovemen7]

Oops i forgot to say that your writing is similar to lady something something, i forgot i dont know but just use your main bro

[naturemagnolia]

Go ahead and keep your foolish thoughts. You can’t possibly know whether I have certain parts or not. ^^

[ilovemen7]

I guess but just do it, you’ve got lots of supporters

[naturemagnolia]

Ooh, getting so much support. I guess I should run in the next election.

[naturemagnolia]

Strictly speaking, YOUR Attack on Titan has been surrounded by controversies over Japanese right-wing ideology. ^^

In fact, some countries that were former colonies boycotted it.

You seem to enjoy works that are full of controversy. I wish you luck.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[bells-shrink]

yeah. i blocked you because i'd already tried explaining it to you MULTIPLE times and you were still trying to twist my words. i already had to THREATEN blocking you because you didn't care about anything i had to say, so obviously i'm just gonna do it if you continue not to, no? i'm not just gonna roll over on my back and continue a conversation with someone that doesn't care to understand who they're arguing with.

[naturemagnolia]

Even now, “blocking” is becoming the central focus of this conversation.

Just like a few hours ago, the discussion is gradually drifting away from the main point. And as you can see from the comment your acquaintance chose in our earlier exchange, this is turning less into a ship debate and more into pointless attacks.

If your acquaintance hadn’t written a post in the public tag, I wouldn’t have stepped in again. Looking back over the past month, you can clearly see the pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments.

[bells-shrink]

"my acquaintance" and i barely even interact with them 😭 even if you can "clearly see a pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments", you're still actively contributing by making your dumb little discourse posts and putting damn near EVERY related tag on them. denying that you've ALSO started these arguments at times would be plain hypocritical

[naturemagnolia]

To be clear, I have never been the one to start a fight.

It has always been someone else who initiated it, and I only responded. I replied in the public tag simply because someone had posted something offensive there.

The reason anyone makes a post publicly is to put forward an argument, isn’t it? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t they also expect a rebuttal?

I acknowledge that my initial words were somewhat harsh. However, I was outraged by posts that discouraged people, and I wanted to make it clear that there was a dissenting voice.

[ilovemen7]

Israel propaganda spewer

[naturemagnolia]

When you can’t win an argument, the only thing you resort to is framing it as politics. I’ve seen far too many people like you, and I’m sick of it.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[bells-shrink]

yeah. i blocked you because i'd already tried explaining it to you MULTIPLE times and you were still trying to twist my words. i already had to THREATEN blocking you because you didn't care about anything i had to say, so obviously i'm just gonna do it if you continue not to, no? i'm not just gonna roll over on my back and continue a conversation with someone that doesn't care to understand who they're arguing with.

[naturemagnolia]

Even now, “blocking” is becoming the central focus of this conversation.

Just like a few hours ago, the discussion is gradually drifting away from the main point. And as you can see from the comment your acquaintance chose in our earlier exchange, this is turning less into a ship debate and more into pointless attacks.

If your acquaintance hadn’t written a post in the public tag, I wouldn’t have stepped in again. Looking back over the past month, you can clearly see the pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments.

[bells-shrink]

"my acquaintance" and i barely even interact with them 😭 even if you can "clearly see a pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments", you're still actively contributing by making your dumb little discourse posts and putting damn near EVERY related tag on them. denying that you've ALSO started these arguments at times would be plain hypocritical

[naturemagnolia]

To be clear, I have never been the one to start a fight.

It has always been someone else who initiated it, and I only responded. I replied in the public tag simply because someone had posted something offensive there.

The reason anyone makes a post publicly is to put forward an argument, isn’t it? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t they also expect a rebuttal?

I acknowledge that my initial words were somewhat harsh. However, I was outraged by posts that discouraged people, and I wanted to make it clear that there was a dissenting voice.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[bells-shrink]

yeah. i blocked you because i'd already tried explaining it to you MULTIPLE times and you were still trying to twist my words. i already had to THREATEN blocking you because you didn't care about anything i had to say, so obviously i'm just gonna do it if you continue not to, no? i'm not just gonna roll over on my back and continue a conversation with someone that doesn't care to understand who they're arguing with.

[naturemagnolia]

Even now, “blocking” is becoming the central focus of this conversation.

Just like a few hours ago, the discussion is gradually drifting away from the main point. And as you can see from the comment your acquaintance chose in our earlier exchange, this is turning less into a ship debate and more into pointless attacks.

If your acquaintance hadn’t written a post in the public tag, I wouldn’t have stepped in again. Looking back over the past month, you can clearly see the pattern of who keeps starting unnecessary arguments.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[bells-shrink]

i never said you'd blocked anyone. don't put words in my mouth. and yes, i explicitly stated that II didn't want to continue the conversation because YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE WITH MY POINTS. i never denied that. and i'm "fixated on bell's male body" because that's what the majority of people on tumblr post about. my twitter is actually very mixed and i myself consider bell a gender neutral character lmao

[naturemagnolia]

When I said that, you blocked me, didn’t you? That’s why I concluded you had no intention of continuing the conversation.

Originally, this conflict was about AdBell “yaoi” (the exact term used by the person who first raised the issue), but I responded to that post only because certain aspects could provoke anger within the fandom.

However, from my conversation with that person few hours ago, I learned what parts they could accept. They said they had no intention of denying everything the fandom has created since 2020, nor of criticizing everyone’s works. So I decided to accept that.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[bells-shrink]

oh yeah because obviously i'm supposed to assume it's about the person that only started posting like a month ago and hasn't interacted with you ONCE to my knowledge 😭 i blocked you because you REFUSED to engage with my argument and was so stuck up on other people's that it was all you would focus on. you're so afraid of being wrong that you had to make a burner, turn off your comments, AND turn off your asks, and suddenly I'm the one running away?

don't know where you even got that last part but oh well i guess lmao

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’ve never blocked anyone, and usually it’s the side that wants to refuse a conversation that does the blocking, isn’t it? I kept my account as it was. If I had really intended to use it as a burner account, I would have deleted it from the start.

And if you read through your past replies carefully, you’ll see that it was you who didn’t want to continue the conversation.

Looking at your reblogs, you seem excessively fixated on Bell’s male body, which clearly shows a lack of balance and goes against the intent of the character.

[naturemagnolia]

Let me spell out what’s terrifying about the Bell yume/self-shippers.

I busted out laughing at those walking contradictions. Dumbs down Adbell to pure nonsense, then flips it around and sexualizes Bell the so-called “victim”? LOL.

That’s even more twisted than Adbell.

It’s hilarious: Bell’s the “victim,” but they still gotta screw them, so no rivals allowed.

Contradictions stacked on contradictions. And seriously? you get hard over a “victim”? That’s only if you’ve even got one, to begin with.

And about that anti-Adbell blogger reblogging Adler’s “abortion”..?

what do I think? Those clowns just want to compete over who’s more inhumane. At this point, Adbell almost looks normal compared to them.

[bells-shrink]

ragebait successful ✅ i'll bite i guess

for one, i myself never claimed that bell was, in general, a "victim". a victim to the brainwashing and general cruelty, yes, but i never once said they were the victim of the situation. it really amuses me how you'd rather go off other people's talking points instead of engaging with me on your own.

two, the thinly veiled transphobia:

was unnecessary and not helpful to the argument. just goes to show you can't have a civil conversation without attacking my identity.

three, i don't dislike adbell because of "competition"?? 😭 despite being heavily attached to them, i primarily dislike adbell because of how most people write it. i dislike how people feel so comfortable romanticizing abuse that it becomes the norm in the fandom. doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to harass people who disagree unlike a certain someone

maybe it would be more constructive if you directed that frustration at the copious amounts of rape art and fics in the fandom

[naturemagnolia]

It’s always the same—one by one, the clueless ones line up to appear. Since you raised your hand and came forward, I’ll give you a comment.

Do you really think every post is about you?

The post I had an issue with was this one.

I said what I did because you can’t tell from the text whether the person is male or female, since I haven’t clicked on their profile.

If you thought I was targeting you, that’s just your misunderstanding and excessive victim mentality.

You already blocked me and ran away, but now you’ve crept back in, still thinking everything revolves around you.

Enjoy your transphobia ^^. I referred to Bell as “they” and didn’t lock them into a single gender.

Go tell your friends who insist on calling Bell “he” the same thing.

Oh, I guess it includes YOU.

[naturemagnolia]

ilovemen7, again.

Who’s the one obsessing over the word “rape” right now? Isn’t it you?

It’s laughable. Pure cherry-picking.

You only want what suits you.

You proudly write on your blogs that you “value canon.”

Instead, you passionately reblog things about Adler getting pregnant or having an abortion. But tell me—where in canon is there any basis for Adler being able to get pregnant?

Listen carefully: you don’t care about canon.

You’re just using it as a shield to justify your own kinks while attacking other ships.

Canon is nothing but a cover—you never cared about it from the start.

You know what your problem is?

After moving to another fandom, you’re harming the people and the community you left behind.

And honestly, with your obsession over the word “rape,” I sincerely hope you consider getting psychological counseling.

[ilovemen7]

Digga Im not in the mood to use fancy words or wording this properly.

I love and prefer canon yes but why am I ‘reposting’ Adler being pregnant? Because I like the creator’s art. I do not like the headcanon of Adler being trans but still I am just supporting my favourite artist. Can I not do that? And yes, my favourite word is ‘rape’ as of now.

I do not have a pregnancy kink, unlike someone else. I know someone who does though, you defended them a long time ago if I remember? I might’ve forgot but I’m sure you’ll know who I am talking about

Most Adbell shippers claim this flag

[naturemagnolia]

If you want to attack Jews, I won’t stop you.

Whether you get caught up in Nazi controversies or not, I won’t care.

The surname Adler is both a Germanic surname and one of the representative surnames among Ashkenazi Jews.

What do you think about that possibility?

If you want to attack, use your head—don’t destroy the very platform you’re standing on. ^^

[ilovemen7]

Since when do the ‘jews’ have a flag? As far as I know it’s for ‘israelites’. I don’t have nothing against jewish people. This thing has been made as a joke against Israel and zionists. Not every israeli person is a zionist though, I know that.

I also knew that about his name, thanks❤️‍🩹

Also, again, use your main account no one will shit on you for shitting on me

[naturemagnolia]

So calling an entire fandom 'rapey' is your idea of serious discourse, but using geopolitical conflicts and Jewish identity is 'just a joke'?

The hypocrisy is unreal.

You got exposed for your ignorance, and now you're desperately trying to save face.

It’s too late, everyone sees right through you.

[ilovemen7]

People can call me whatever they want idc lmfao😭😭😭 i dont care if I am a hypocrite too

I doubt you can read what I said properly also

Yes, people are trying to make Adler look like a rapist, honestly kinda weird to me. This is how the fandom looks like to me from now on❤️‍🩹

[naturemagnolia]

Labelling the entire group as a “Rapey fandom”, generalize them just as you please?

What you are doing is like poisoning the well and killing the entire village.

You’ve focused too much on the provocative elements, and in doing so, you’ve trampled over and erased even the good memories from your own fandom.

[ilovemen7]

Im taking a fat ass dump

Im literally only poising my moots with reblogging this bullshit

I doubt there were good moments in the fandom since everyone is starting a fight after a month of it being calm lmfao

You literally talked shit about Bell self-shippers, no? Not my fault almost all the people in it make Adler seem like some kind of rapist (and I assume its just because he also committed war crimes)

[naturemagnolia]

Bell committed war crimes too.

Using real-world ethnicities and identity as a cheap weapon just for a silly ship argument was completely reckless. Bringing in something of that scale just to vent your petty frustration is absurd.

The logic self-shippers use to attack Adbell relies on framing Bell as a pure 'victim.' But if I actually agreed with that framing, I wouldn't be able to view Bell as a sexualized one in the first place—which is why I brought it up.

What they’re doing is a blatant contradiction, and I was simply pointing out that hypocrisy.

[ilovemen7]

Im wont even try explaing it again to you half brained bird

[naturemagnolia]

Alright, if you say you’re going to GG, what can I say?

[ilovemen7]

Oops i forgot to say that your writing is similar to lady something something, i forgot i dont know but just use your main bro

[naturemagnolia]

Go ahead and keep your foolish thoughts. You can’t possibly know whether I have certain parts or not. ^^

[ilovemen7]

I guess but just do it, you’ve got lots of supporters

[naturemagnolia]

Ooh, getting so much support. I guess I should run in the next election.

[ilovemen7]

This would be your partyflag i know it

[naturemagnolia]

You’re really using a very ladylike font in the app. I like your font.

[naturemagnolia]

ilovemen7, again.

Who’s the one obsessing over the word “rape” right now? Isn’t it you?

It’s laughable. Pure cherry-picking.

You only want what suits you.

You proudly write on your blogs that you “value canon.”

Instead, you passionately reblog things about Adler getting pregnant or having an abortion. But tell me—where in canon is there any basis for Adler being able to get pregnant?

Listen carefully: you don’t care about canon.

You’re just using it as a shield to justify your own kinks while attacking other ships.

Canon is nothing but a cover—you never cared about it from the start.

You know what your problem is?

After moving to another fandom, you’re harming the people and the community you left behind.

And honestly, with your obsession over the word “rape,” I sincerely hope you consider getting psychological counseling.

[ilovemen7]

Digga Im not in the mood to use fancy words or wording this properly.

I love and prefer canon yes but why am I ‘reposting’ Adler being pregnant? Because I like the creator’s art. I do not like the headcanon of Adler being trans but still I am just supporting my favourite artist. Can I not do that? And yes, my favourite word is ‘rape’ as of now.

I do not have a pregnancy kink, unlike someone else. I know someone who does though, you defended them a long time ago if I remember? I might’ve forgot but I’m sure you’ll know who I am talking about

Most Adbell shippers claim this flag

[naturemagnolia]

If you want to attack Jews, I won’t stop you.

Whether you get caught up in Nazi controversies or not, I won’t care.

The surname Adler is both a Germanic surname and one of the representative surnames among Ashkenazi Jews.

What do you think about that possibility?

If you want to attack, use your head—don’t destroy the very platform you’re standing on. ^^

[ilovemen7]

Since when do the ‘jews’ have a flag? As far as I know it’s for ‘israelites’. I don’t have nothing against jewish people. This thing has been made as a joke against Israel and zionists. Not every israeli person is a zionist though, I know that.

I also knew that about his name, thanks❤️‍🩹

Also, again, use your main account no one will shit on you for shitting on me

[naturemagnolia]

So calling an entire fandom 'rapey' is your idea of serious discourse, but using geopolitical conflicts and Jewish identity is 'just a joke'?

The hypocrisy is unreal.

You got exposed for your ignorance, and now you're desperately trying to save face.

It’s too late, everyone sees right through you.

[ilovemen7]

People can call me whatever they want idc lmfao😭😭😭 i dont care if I am a hypocrite too

I doubt you can read what I said properly also

Yes, people are trying to make Adler look like a rapist, honestly kinda weird to me. This is how the fandom looks like to me from now on❤️‍🩹

[naturemagnolia]

Labelling the entire group as a “Rapey fandom”, generalize them just as you please?

What you are doing is like poisoning the well and killing the entire village.

You’ve focused too much on the provocative elements, and in doing so, you’ve trampled over and erased even the good memories from your own fandom.

[ilovemen7]

Im taking a fat ass dump

Im literally only poising my moots with reblogging this bullshit

I doubt there were good moments in the fandom since everyone is starting a fight after a month of it being calm lmfao

You literally talked shit about Bell self-shippers, no? Not my fault almost all the people in it make Adler seem like some kind of rapist (and I assume its just because he also committed war crimes)

[naturemagnolia]

Bell committed war crimes too.

Using real-world ethnicities and identity as a cheap weapon just for a silly ship argument was completely reckless. Bringing in something of that scale just to vent your petty frustration is absurd.

The logic self-shippers use to attack Adbell relies on framing Bell as a pure 'victim.' But if I actually agreed with that framing, I wouldn't be able to view Bell as a sexualized one in the first place—which is why I brought it up.

What they’re doing is a blatant contradiction, and I was simply pointing out that hypocrisy.

[ilovemen7]

Im wont even try explaing it again to you half brained bird

[naturemagnolia]

Alright, if you say you’re going to GG, what can I say?

[ilovemen7]

Oops i forgot to say that your writing is similar to lady something something, i forgot i dont know but just use your main bro

[naturemagnolia]

Go ahead and keep your foolish thoughts. You can’t possibly know whether I have certain parts or not. ^^

[ilovemen7]

I guess but just do it, you’ve got lots of supporters

[naturemagnolia]

Ooh, getting so much support. I guess I should run in the next election.

[naturemagnolia]

@elysiascanonwife Don’t bring up the ship I never even mentioned.

You can’t prove a damn thing anyway.

The only thing you’ve proven for sure is that your dumb original account was a failure.

[elysiascanonwife]

IM ACTUALLY CRYING LMFAOOO ur downright obsessed with me, ilovemen7 and others, you are obsessedddddddddd. You speak like a hazbin hotel character please be quiet. You literally shipped me w an adult. If you want to speak, speak like a normal person instead of an AI chatbot of Alastor who has just gained sentience.

[naturemagnolia]

Maybe if you had organized your points and spoken properly, it would be different.

But you acted like someone who was never taught manners at home.

You only got the treatment you deserved.

Accept that when you recklessly run your mouth, things like this can happen.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m actually crying AINT NO WAYYYY. I’m recklessly speaking?? Atleast im not speaking like Alastor. Idk why ur so obsessed w me just because I don’t like darkshipping nor Adbell. Your account is so clearly an alt account. You clearly don’t have any manners either. Sooo idk why ur speaking….

[naturemagnolia]

Even when I try to explain things as clearly as possible, if you keep responding like that, it’s an issue of BRAIN—and not my concern.

I only spoke in a way that matches your language, so what’s with the princess attitude?

Why are you, a minor, interfering with how fans ship characters over 40? I find it really unpleasant that you’re making a fuss about characters over 40, and honestly, I just feel sorry for you.

[elysiascanonwife]

I feel sorry for YOU. I’ve been arguing my points lmao, it’s you who’s not understanding. I’m not “making a fuss” over shipping characters over 40. Bells age isn’t confirmed. You’re clearly talking about Adbell, no? The ship is literally not consensual. Bell can’t consent to any relationship with anyone of the team because they’re brainwashed are you stupid.

[naturemagnolia]

Bell is a self-insert character, and their age can be set however one chooses. They are a complex character, and in many ways they represent self-shipping.

Consent from Bell? If the player agrees, then it’s possible.

What you did was, to some extent, an act of violence against self-shipping.

You failed to look closely at how they were developing their stories, yet you generalized and turned it into a moral issue.

That was your biggest problem, and it was poor fandom etiquette.

[elysiascanonwife]

“If the player agrees” excuse me? bell isn’t a self insert, bell is an actual customisable character. And I have nothing against self shipping as a self shipper myself. Bell is BELL. A character, yes they’re complex but Adbell isn’t. Just because Bell is a customisable character that doesn’t mean you are them, you cannot consent for a fictional character.

Fiction does affect reality.

[naturemagnolia]

Oh, so fiction affects reality?

Then don’t play Call of Duty. Don’t go around bragging while practicing killing people with guns.

The moment you give Bell a name and imagine a story, it becomes self-shipping. Yet you’ve dismissed everything fans have been creating since 2020.

If you actually looked at their writings, your nonsense in 2026 would feel empty in comparison.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m not practicing killing people with guns LMFAOOO. Ur missing my point. Fiction does affect reality in many ways, have you not seen the amount of people who’ve taken their lives, harmed themselves and others all because of fiction? I’m not planning to grab a gun to kill others.

I’m not dismissing what the fans created, Bell can be your OC, even if you ship Adbell if Bell is your OC, Bell in the game can literally not consent at all.

[naturemagnolia]

That is exactly the problem.

To give an extreme example. imagine a human model. People usually do one of two things with it. One is to practice killing, and the other is to practice saving lives.

Fiction is like that model. Whether someone uses it to become a person who saves lives or one who takes them depends entirely on individual judgment.

You are ignoring that judgment and placing fiction in an all-powerful position. Do not dismiss individual will and ability.

[elysiascanonwife]

Are you stupid. You missed my point, I’m not using fiction as a human model. I’m saying, people, REAL PEOPLE, harmed themselves and others over fiction.

[naturemagnolia]

What you’re talking about is similar to the Werther effect, but that’s an overly extreme example, and it belongs to a different field—it’s not something you can easily compare to ordinary situations. You’re really being foolish. Who ever said fiction is synonymous with a human model? Try actually reading the text properly. Or maybe you’re just pretending not to understand.

[elysiascanonwife]

Come say this to my face on your main account, oh wait, I forgot I’m blocked there.

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t act all high and mighty while clearly using a burner account.

Your account is obviously a fake one made just for nonsense.

The best response to that kind of trick is the same method—and even a fool knows that.

[elysiascanonwife]

This isn’t my alt acc lmao, this is my main. The account you’re talking on is clearly a burner, come say ur BS to me on ur main account.

[naturemagnolia]

No, I’m not falling for your nonsense.

From your very first post, it was the same as what a burner account would do, so don’t lie.

If people blocked you, it’s simply because they didn’t want to see your posts. Haven’t you experienced that a few times while using Tumblr? That has nothing to do with me.

[elysiascanonwife]

You can’t be serious lmfao. I only just started to use tumblr months ago.

[naturemagnolia]

Look, whenever you used Tumblr has nothing to do with this issue.

When you suddenly showed up in this fandom, the only post on your account was that one, so the timing of your Tumblr use doesn’t matter.

If you were misunderstood, that’s why.

[naturemagnolia]

@elysiascanonwife Don’t bring up the ship I never even mentioned.

You can’t prove a damn thing anyway.

The only thing you’ve proven for sure is that your dumb original account was a failure.

[elysiascanonwife]

IM ACTUALLY CRYING LMFAOOO ur downright obsessed with me, ilovemen7 and others, you are obsessedddddddddd. You speak like a hazbin hotel character please be quiet. You literally shipped me w an adult. If you want to speak, speak like a normal person instead of an AI chatbot of Alastor who has just gained sentience.

[naturemagnolia]

Maybe if you had organized your points and spoken properly, it would be different.

But you acted like someone who was never taught manners at home.

You only got the treatment you deserved.

Accept that when you recklessly run your mouth, things like this can happen.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m actually crying AINT NO WAYYYY. I’m recklessly speaking?? Atleast im not speaking like Alastor. Idk why ur so obsessed w me just because I don’t like darkshipping nor Adbell. Your account is so clearly an alt account. You clearly don’t have any manners either. Sooo idk why ur speaking….

[naturemagnolia]

Even when I try to explain things as clearly as possible, if you keep responding like that, it’s an issue of BRAIN—and not my concern.

I only spoke in a way that matches your language, so what’s with the princess attitude?

Why are you, a minor, interfering with how fans ship characters over 40? I find it really unpleasant that you’re making a fuss about characters over 40, and honestly, I just feel sorry for you.

[elysiascanonwife]

I feel sorry for YOU. I’ve been arguing my points lmao, it’s you who’s not understanding. I’m not “making a fuss” over shipping characters over 40. Bells age isn’t confirmed. You’re clearly talking about Adbell, no? The ship is literally not consensual. Bell can’t consent to any relationship with anyone of the team because they’re brainwashed are you stupid.

[naturemagnolia]

Bell is a self-insert character, and their age can be set however one chooses. They are a complex character, and in many ways they represent self-shipping.

Consent from Bell? If the player agrees, then it’s possible.

What you did was, to some extent, an act of violence against self-shipping.

You failed to look closely at how they were developing their stories, yet you generalized and turned it into a moral issue.

That was your biggest problem, and it was poor fandom etiquette.

[elysiascanonwife]

“If the player agrees” excuse me? bell isn’t a self insert, bell is an actual customisable character. And I have nothing against self shipping as a self shipper myself. Bell is BELL. A character, yes they’re complex but Adbell isn’t. Just because Bell is a customisable character that doesn’t mean you are them, you cannot consent for a fictional character.

Fiction does affect reality.

[naturemagnolia]

Oh, so fiction affects reality?

Then don’t play Call of Duty. Don’t go around bragging while practicing killing people with guns.

The moment you give Bell a name and imagine a story, it becomes self-shipping. Yet you’ve dismissed everything fans have been creating since 2020.

If you actually looked at their writings, your nonsense in 2026 would feel empty in comparison.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m not practicing killing people with guns LMFAOOO. Ur missing my point. Fiction does affect reality in many ways, have you not seen the amount of people who’ve taken their lives, harmed themselves and others all because of fiction? I’m not planning to grab a gun to kill others.

I’m not dismissing what the fans created, Bell can be your OC, even if you ship Adbell if Bell is your OC, Bell in the game can literally not consent at all.

[naturemagnolia]

That is exactly the problem.

To give an extreme example. imagine a human model. People usually do one of two things with it. One is to practice killing, and the other is to practice saving lives.

Fiction is like that model. Whether someone uses it to become a person who saves lives or one who takes them depends entirely on individual judgment.

You are ignoring that judgment and placing fiction in an all-powerful position. Do not dismiss individual will and ability.

[elysiascanonwife]

Are you stupid. You missed my point, I’m not using fiction as a human model. I’m saying, people, REAL PEOPLE, harmed themselves and others over fiction.

[naturemagnolia]

What you’re talking about is similar to the Werther effect, but that’s an overly extreme example, and it belongs to a different field—it’s not something you can easily compare to ordinary situations. You’re really being foolish. Who ever said fiction is synonymous with a human model? Try actually reading the text properly. Or maybe you’re just pretending not to understand.

[elysiascanonwife]

Come say this to my face on your main account, oh wait, I forgot I’m blocked there.

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t act all high and mighty while clearly using a burner account.

Your account is obviously a fake one made just for nonsense.

The best response to that kind of trick is the same method—and even a fool knows that.

[elysiascanonwife]

This isn’t my alt acc lmao, this is my main. The account you’re talking on is clearly a burner, come say ur BS to me on ur main account.

[naturemagnolia]

No, I’m not falling for your nonsense.

From your very first post, it was the same as what a burner account would do, so don’t lie.

If people blocked you, it’s simply because they didn’t want to see your posts. Haven’t you experienced that a few times while using Tumblr? That has nothing to do with me.

[naturemagnolia]

@elysiascanonwife Don’t bring up the ship I never even mentioned.

You can’t prove a damn thing anyway.

The only thing you’ve proven for sure is that your dumb original account was a failure.

[elysiascanonwife]

IM ACTUALLY CRYING LMFAOOO ur downright obsessed with me, ilovemen7 and others, you are obsessedddddddddd. You speak like a hazbin hotel character please be quiet. You literally shipped me w an adult. If you want to speak, speak like a normal person instead of an AI chatbot of Alastor who has just gained sentience.

[naturemagnolia]

Maybe if you had organized your points and spoken properly, it would be different.

But you acted like someone who was never taught manners at home.

You only got the treatment you deserved.

Accept that when you recklessly run your mouth, things like this can happen.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m actually crying AINT NO WAYYYY. I’m recklessly speaking?? Atleast im not speaking like Alastor. Idk why ur so obsessed w me just because I don’t like darkshipping nor Adbell. Your account is so clearly an alt account. You clearly don’t have any manners either. Sooo idk why ur speaking….

[naturemagnolia]

Even when I try to explain things as clearly as possible, if you keep responding like that, it’s an issue of BRAIN—and not my concern.

I only spoke in a way that matches your language, so what’s with the princess attitude?

Why are you, a minor, interfering with how fans ship characters over 40? I find it really unpleasant that you’re making a fuss about characters over 40, and honestly, I just feel sorry for you.

[elysiascanonwife]

I feel sorry for YOU. I’ve been arguing my points lmao, it’s you who’s not understanding. I’m not “making a fuss” over shipping characters over 40. Bells age isn’t confirmed. You’re clearly talking about Adbell, no? The ship is literally not consensual. Bell can’t consent to any relationship with anyone of the team because they’re brainwashed are you stupid.

[naturemagnolia]

Bell is a self-insert character, and their age can be set however one chooses. They are a complex character, and in many ways they represent self-shipping.

Consent from Bell? If the player agrees, then it’s possible.

What you did was, to some extent, an act of violence against self-shipping.

You failed to look closely at how they were developing their stories, yet you generalized and turned it into a moral issue.

That was your biggest problem, and it was poor fandom etiquette.

[elysiascanonwife]

“If the player agrees” excuse me? bell isn’t a self insert, bell is an actual customisable character. And I have nothing against self shipping as a self shipper myself. Bell is BELL. A character, yes they’re complex but Adbell isn’t. Just because Bell is a customisable character that doesn’t mean you are them, you cannot consent for a fictional character.

Fiction does affect reality.

[naturemagnolia]

Oh, so fiction affects reality?

Then don’t play Call of Duty. Don’t go around bragging while practicing killing people with guns.

The moment you give Bell a name and imagine a story, it becomes self-shipping. Yet you’ve dismissed everything fans have been creating since 2020.

If you actually looked at their writings, your nonsense in 2026 would feel empty in comparison.

[elysiascanonwife]

I’m not practicing killing people with guns LMFAOOO. Ur missing my point. Fiction does affect reality in many ways, have you not seen the amount of people who’ve taken their lives, harmed themselves and others all because of fiction? I’m not planning to grab a gun to kill others.

I’m not dismissing what the fans created, Bell can be your OC, even if you ship Adbell if Bell is your OC, Bell in the game can literally not consent at all.

[naturemagnolia]

That is exactly the problem.

To give an extreme example. imagine a human model. People usually do one of two things with it. One is to practice killing, and the other is to practice saving lives.

Fiction is like that model. Whether someone uses it to become a person who saves lives or one who takes them depends entirely on individual judgment.

You are ignoring that judgment and placing fiction in an all-powerful position. Do not dismiss individual will and ability.

[elysiascanonwife]

Are you stupid. You missed my point, I’m not using fiction as a human model. I’m saying, people, REAL PEOPLE, harmed themselves and others over fiction.

[naturemagnolia]

What you’re talking about is similar to the Werther effect, but that’s an overly extreme example, and it belongs to a different field—it’s not something you can easily compare to ordinary situations. You’re really being foolish. Who ever said fiction is synonymous with a human model? Try actually reading the text properly. Or maybe you’re just pretending not to understand.

[elysiascanonwife]

Come say this to my face on your main account, oh wait, I forgot I’m blocked there.

[naturemagnolia]

Don’t act all high and mighty while clearly using a burner account.

Your account is obviously a fake one made just for nonsense.

The best response to that kind of trick is the same method—and even a fool knows that.