the most annoying people are people who don't understand storytelling. they be like "oooo how convenient that this thing happened to the main character in the very beginning". yeah no shit. that's why the story begins here
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the most annoying people are people who don't understand storytelling. they be like "oooo how convenient that this thing happened to the main character in the very beginning". yeah no shit. that's why the story begins here
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Belated Jessica Jones rant
Ever since the show started there's been the recurring theme of Jessica doing things by the book: get proof, get criminal, send to jail.
So when Jessica encountered the first antagonist AKA Kilgrave, she tries her routine while also knowing that no normal jail can hold him, so she tries the next best alternative to that but when all fails, she ends up forced to kill him.
In season 2, Alisa is the antagonist. Again she tries her routine but when Alisa does go to jail, it's the wrong kind, she's too strong and unstable for normal prison, (despite having accepted a deal which would not send her to The Raft) and because that fails, she ends up dead too.
In season 3, Trish is the secondary antagonist, and she forces Jessica's hand to fight her. Eventually she does send her to jail, the "right" kind according to Jessica, The Raft. And it works, Jessica sacrifices her best friend, the only family she has left in order to not have her end up like the other antagonists whose stints in confinement did not work.
And I suppose it does seem like a consistent sequence of events for the series but it does not make it a fair one. Because how do you send the weakest of the antagonists to the strongest of prisons?
Is it because Trish was never arrested by the NYPD first? Because they did not have the great Jeri Hogarth who can strike deals out of thin air representing Trish? Because the evidence against Alisa Jones is much more damning than anything Trish did (literally just killed criminals).
IMO it was a cop out by writers who knew the series was ending with no future plans of a reboot, and wanted to leave with a bang. Not a bad watch at all, but sure a messed up one.
Maybe she just killed criminals, but the line between right and wrong for her had been blurred too much. So much so that she was going to kill JESSICA. And Hogarth. She is not the punisher, whose superpower is to be able to kill evil people and maintain his humanity. She was turning bad, which is why they show it through the guy's (forgot his name) headache.
I still think she deserved a better resolution though... maybe some redemption or anything.
Fair point about her turning bad but I still think she was judged too harshly, the punisher got away with like a million kills.
And Jessica knows better, I think, and should have acted more selfishly, than to send her last family left to rot in jail when she knows she's eventually an addict who needed help. A crazed, homicidal addict sure but she did just lose her mother.
I'd say they just didn't want the culmination of the show to be Jessica weighing herself down by perpetually looking after her messed up friend, but since the show started, we've seen that Trish was always there and never hesitated to help Jessica even when she pushed her away. It would've been nice to see Jess do the same but I agree that too many bridges have been burnt.
That's why I'm so curious to know if there was a different ending had the show been renewed. One where Trish never ends up in the raft.
And Jessica knows better, I think, and should have acted more selfishly, than to send her last family left to rot in jail when she knows she's eventually an addict who needed help. A crazed, homicidal addict sure but she did just lose her mother.
Especially considering that Jessica's connection to Trish is arguably a bit stronger than that which she had with her mom.
And doubly so when one considers that Jessica could've easily prevented Trish's downfall if she'd done a few things differently. For instance, I'd say it was a big betrayal on Jessica's part (from Trish's perspective) to destroy the evidence against Sallinger to protect Trish from being charged with attacking him in response to him murdering Dorothy. She should've instead let Trish make the decision on whether or not to turn herself in and take responsibility for her actions.
By doing what she did, Jessica made it impossible for Trish to make her own choice to take responsibility for attacking Sallinger. Because of Jessica's decision, Trish would've been left having to tell the police "I'm the one who attacked Gregory Sallinger. Oh, and Jessica Jones also went into your evidence lockup and destroyed the one piece of evidence you could've used to put him away."
See, here's what likely happens in a timeline where Patsy Walker is caught saving people from being victims of criminal violence, and later attacking the person who killed her mother: she's likely hailed as a hero by the press (especially a press who've seen the many failures by the police when it's come to criminals like Fisk, Kilgrave, and Sallinger over the past few years), and her conviction about Sallinger being a murderer is supported by the evidence they'd procured linking him to the prior murders. Or, maybe Trish doesn't turn herself in, Sallinger runs his mouth and tries to paint himself as a victim of Trish, but Trish denies everything and ultimately no one believes a word Sallinger has to say after they learn about how he killed his best friend.
Exactly!!!!! I totally forgot about the evidence part of the plot. And much agreed, on that last point specially. Like, the public would've have actually loved if a beloved child star turned pop star turned superhero killed a serial killer. Are you kidding me? Patsy Walker the star by day and vigilante by night who is actually making a difference by killing only criminals? Now that's a hero. All they would have to do from there is fix Trish's personal relationships, but publicly she would be adored.
But I guess that was too hopeful of an ending for a show as dramatic and bleak as JJ. Which annoys me cause Daredevil got a happy ending (so far) but whatever.
Belated Jessica Jones rant
Ever since the show started there's been the recurring theme of Jessica doing things by the book: get proof, get criminal, send to jail.
So when Jessica encountered the first antagonist AKA Kilgrave, she tries her routine while also knowing that no normal jail can hold him, so she tries the next best alternative to that but when all fails, she ends up forced to kill him.
In season 2, Alisa is the antagonist. Again she tries her routine but when Alisa does go to jail, it's the wrong kind, she's too strong and unstable for normal prison, (despite having accepted a deal which would not send her to The Raft) and because that fails, she ends up dead too.
In season 3, Trish is the secondary antagonist, and she forces Jessica's hand to fight her. Eventually she does send her to jail, the "right" kind according to Jessica, The Raft. And it works, Jessica sacrifices her best friend, the only family she has left in order to not have her end up like the other antagonists whose stints in confinement did not work.
And I suppose it does seem like a consistent sequence of events for the series but it does not make it a fair one. Because how do you send the weakest of the antagonists to the strongest of prisons?
Is it because Trish was never arrested by the NYPD first? Because they did not have the great Jeri Hogarth who can strike deals out of thin air representing Trish? Because the evidence against Alisa Jones is much more damning than anything Trish did (literally just killed criminals).
IMO it was a cop out by writers who knew the series was ending with no future plans of a reboot, and wanted to leave with a bang. Not a bad watch at all, but sure a messed up one.
Maybe she just killed criminals, but the line between right and wrong for her had been blurred too much. So much so that she was going to kill JESSICA. And Hogarth. She is not the punisher, whose superpower is to be able to kill evil people and maintain his humanity. She was turning bad, which is why they show it through the guy's (forgot his name) headache.
I still think she deserved a better resolution though... maybe some redemption or anything.
Fair point about her turning bad but I still think she was judged too harshly, the punisher got away with like a million kills.
And Jessica knows better, I think, and should have acted more selfishly, than to send her last family left to rot in jail when she knows she's eventually an addict who needed help. A crazed, homicidal addict sure but she did just lose her mother.
I'd say they just didn't want the culmination of the show to be Jessica weighing herself down by perpetually looking after her messed up friend, but since the show started, we've seen that Trish was always there and never hesitated to help Jessica even when she pushed her away. It would've been nice to see Jess do the same but I agree that too many bridges have been burnt.
That's why I'm so curious to know if there was a different ending had the show been renewed. One where Trish never ends up in the raft.
Belated Jessica Jones rant
Ever since the show started there's been the recurring theme of Jessica doing things by the book: get proof, get criminal, send to jail.
So when Jessica encountered the first antagonist AKA Kilgrave, she tries her routine while also knowing that no normal jail can hold him, so she tries the next best alternative to that but when all fails, she ends up forced to kill him.
In season 2, Alisa is the antagonist. Again she tries her routine but when Alisa does go to jail, it's the wrong kind, she's too strong and unstable for normal prison, (despite having accepted a deal which would not send her to The Raft) and because that fails, she ends up dead too.
In season 3, Trish is the secondary antagonist, and she forces Jessica's hand to fight her. Eventually she does send her to jail, the "right" kind according to Jessica, The Raft. And it works, Jessica sacrifices her best friend, the only family she has left in order to not have her end up like the other antagonists whose stints in confinement did not work.
And I suppose it does seem like a consistent sequence of events for the series but it does not make it a fair one. Because how do you send the weakest of the antagonists to the strongest of prisons?
Is it because Trish was never arrested by the NYPD first? Because they did not have the great Jeri Hogarth who can strike deals out of thin air representing Trish? Because the evidence against Alisa Jones is much more damning than anything Trish did (literally just killed criminals).
IMO it was a cop out by writers who knew the series was ending with no future plans of a reboot, and wanted to leave with a bang. Not a bad watch at all, but sure a messed up one.
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