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Nothing's more adorable than a beautiful Vault Dweller channeling her inner Jinx 😍😍😍
Lucy MacLean: Well, I'm good for heads! 😁 They're just ghouls, right? 😂
Cooper Howard: 😬😬
Lucy MacLean: Got any cigarettes? I'd like to try one. 😀🚬
Cooper Howard: One addiction at a time. 🤨
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💖I love her💖
Part of me half-wonders how things at the hospital would go if the radscorpion injured Lucy instead of Cooper. I have to imagine that Cooper obviously would use the last stimpak on Lucy, but then he'd have the matter of having to cut the stinger out of her leg. Then he'd likely have to hightail her to Camp Golf in hopes of finding her antivenom while trying to avoid the Legion. Beyond that, I haven't an idea.
This is gonna be kind of a hot take that sounds worse than it is, but I think that entire scene wasn't actually about the Radscorpion. I feel like that scene in particular came about as a way to insert Cooper's monologue about Theseus' ship into the episode in a way that still felt organic. And it also gives Lucy a reason to get caught by the Legion and further that plot.
And I say that fully loving that scene.
That analogy has become more popular in media over the past decade. Vision had a similar argument with 'White Vision' in I want to say it was Wandavision most recently to my memory. (Great series, btw). But Cooper really put a great spin on it in a way that made it relatable and understandable to people who aren't exactly philosophical. And being a writer myself, I can totally see where a writer might, in a fit of inspiration, wax rustically poetic about the ship of Theseus and then have to fit the scene to the material because it was just too good to scrap, but not exactly the type of thing you'd easily imagine a 250 year old irradiated cowboy giving a shit about out here. But then we remember-
Cooper isn't a cowboy.
He's an actor playing a bit after the end of the world in a reckless bid for identity after dissolution.
And that seems exactly the type of thing an actor would do- monologue to the audience while cutting poison out of himself. Dogmeat, obviously, is the stand in for us as the viewer- an apt device as she can neither talk nor influence the characters in any way- just like us.
It reminds me of Hamlet almost, how this small betrayal preceded and rather foreshadowed the later one. We have an actor who was once a king in his world and is now obsolete in this new one. Betrayed by the people closest to him. Haunted constantly by the ghosts of his past. Always searching to add meaning to his suffering. As Hamlet sought meaning from Yorick. Both touched by death. But I fear I've gone off course 😅
So to answer in a roundabout way, I think he would have eventually given her the stimpak, yes. In fact, I could see Cooper delivering that same monologue standing over her while she writhed in pain on the ground, then giving it to her only after he'd made his point, but would it have changed the tone of the scene? If he had to cut the stinger from her, would it have lessened the impact of taking her to the NCR outpost later when we find out he actually stayed? When he could have so easily left her there. Especially after they seemed still at odds after she failed to shoot the rope at the signal.
I think he would have given it to her, but he likely would have left her there and that would have messed up all of their scenes after because the journey to NV is where he started developing real feelings for her. Without that, Lucy might not even have become a prisoner of the Legion and that was crucial for her to realize, "Okay, maybe I am safer with him than on my own." And all those other delicious little choices that set up the betrayal in such a devastating way.
There was a fic by @justme--emily that reversed the roles. Lucy gets pierced in the chest with the Radscorpion's stinger due to the female Legion slave using her as a shield. Cooper kills the slave, dispatches the Radscorpion, then immediately tends to Lucy's injuries. He gets to clarify to her who the Legion are, and the conversation segues into one about Lucy's wedding due to him noticing the scar from her stab wound while cutting the poisoned flesh out of her stomach.
I think what would happen here if the roles were reversed is pretty much that. It would probably not be the ideal time for Cooper to have his "ship of Theseus" monologue while Lucy is bleeding out in front of him, so I'd think he'd focus on treating her first. He'd still get to have his monologue, but it would just happen later and in a different context.
As Cooper knows what the Legion are capable of, yeah, he'd get the chance to warn Lucy of who they are and what they do. He'd probably attempt to steer clear of the Legion while getting Lucy to Camp Golf (as it's closer), but even then, they get captured. And so Lucy and Cooper are forced to work together to escape the Legion, an idea I've touched on in the past.
If Lucy and Cooper fought the Deathclaws instead of fleeing from them, how do you think that would go?
(I ask mostly because the 2x04 cliffhanger kinda set things up for a much bigger fight than the anticlimactic moment we ultimately got.)
I think in the context of the show, they would have been turned into deathclaw chow LOL 😅 and if they had tried to fight the pack, it would not have ended well. I think by showing how terrified Cooper is, that even he would run rather than fight, serves to tell the audience just how serious deathclaws are, and also implies that he knew their current weapon inventory was not sufficient to kill the them. This also makes the later fight between Max and the deathclaws more dramatic and serious to watch, also given that even with the NCR armor, he was struggling.
I do want to see Lucy and Cooper take on a deathclaw (or something) and actually fight together as a team, but I think the show intentionally made the deathclaws even more formidable and used Lucy and Coop running, Lucy seeking the power fist, and Max needing the armor/heavy snipper coverage in order to take them on as a way to show just how frightening they are.
I can see this def coming into play again with a future Lucy and Cooper fight, since now we as the audience understand the herculean effort it is to kill them. It will be more impressive to watch ghoulcy take them on and win.
I feel the compromise option would be something where Lucy and Cooper escape...but the Deathclaws don't make it easy, so they're forced to fight their way out, and Lucy has to kill at least one or two of them. That would allow us to see Lucy and Cooper have to work together to take them on here on the Strip, but still leave plenty of them around for Cooper and Maximus to later fight.
Something akin to @justme--emily's fic "The Rescue". In that one, one of the Deathclaws manages to catch up to Lucy before she can slip under the gate and gravely wounds her. Cooper is thus forced to slip back in and fight them. He kills two of them (one with Lucy's help), and Lucy kills the last one before she passes out from blood loss.
I'd be for something like that, albeit with Lucy taking less severe injuries.
Edited to add: It's worth noting from the concept art posted by Dan Caplan that originally, this scene would've have been a lot longer and had Cooper acting as a sort of shield between Lucy and the Deathclaws as they fled. But due to the effects budget getting tight, they had to scale back scenes like this.
You want to know how I know your daddy, don’t you? Let’s just say that everything about your whole little world was decided over 200 years ago. Now you can stay here with him, but when his tin can soldier friends take this place— and they gonna take this place— they will kill you and everybody here. Or you could come meet your makers.
FALLOUT 1.08: “The Beginning”
I maintain that this was the moment his entire view of her changed. This is when he started to respect her. Look at his eyes after Lucy shoots Rose. The quiet pride. His own resolve solidifying. The deep breath as some small part of him begrudgingly accepts that maybe he had her wrong.
Walton Goggins describes the cut hallucination scene from Fallout S2E6: The Other Player | SRC
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Ella: [...] actually despite all their differences, and trying to influence each other, and getting on each other's nerves, it's like there was some sort of commraderie there. And um, and yeah maybe the beginning of a friendship. [Smiles and looks to Walton]
Walton: I agree! [Enthusiastic]
Ella: Yeah! [Encouraging]
Interview here // gifs by @heresthebrightside
How do you think things would go if when Lucy and Cooper encounter the Deathclaws on the Strip, they fought them instead of escaping through the gap in the gate?
I feel like most likely, they'd successfully take them down thanks in no small part to Lucy's new gun arsenal, but she and Cooper both take some serious injuries in the process.
I feel like Lucy would have had to solo that because Cooper was damn near catatonic.
And with good reason. Deathclaws are killing machines, bred to hunt efficiently, and are capable of significant reasoning. They can camouflage themselves. They are often loners, but capable of hunting in packs. And they were up against four of them.
I think best case scenario, Lucy could have taken out two without Cooper's help, three if he got himself together and they had a Fat Man or even a flamer for just the eggs in the Gomorrah. I definitely think running was the best option for them at the time because Cooper's Five F's response is to Freeze and she couldn't have fought them and predicted/accounted for what he was going to do on her own.
What we got in the final cut was admittedly a little anticlimactic. Something with a bit more of a fight would've been nice. Maybe Lucy and Cooper do still escape...but just barely, and even then Lucy has to kill at least one or two of them in order for that to happen. That'd give Lucy a chance to fight and kill Deathclaws, while still leaving plenty of them around for Cooper and Maximus to fight in episode 7.
There's something funny about looking at Lucy's backpack contents and realizing how her inventory isn't really all that suited to a wasteland character build.
