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Dream Room, Magical Domain, Overblot and Other Random Stuff

Part 1, Part 2

TWST THEORY + Analysis: Note #019

1,900 k word how does this keep happening

Warning : Book 8.2 + Jp spoilers

Abstract: A quick analysis of the information we learn in 8.2 from the Mickey investigation and theorize how the dream room functions, its condition, and who created it.

BOOK 8.2

First, a quick summary. The chapter starts out with the gang finally formalizing the schedule for the Mickey investigation that will start on the day of the tournaments. They decided this considering they still don't know the exact condition of when Mickey appears, and it best to start before the summer break. Knowing that visits with Mickey don't last long, they prepare some questions to ask him regarding his world and how he enters the dream room. They also will record the condition in which Mickey appeared.

However, it turned out that Mickey appeared that same night, and they were able to have a conversation. To answer the first question, Mickey is from a pretty standard world that doesn't seem to have a "systematized form" of magic (except for the power OF FRIENDSHIP). As for the condition to enter the dream room. Mickey doesn't have a clue, considering he does the same routine every night. We learn that on the outskirts of his town there is an old mansion where laughter could be heard, possibly being haunted.

After the impromptu interview, the gang came to some conclusion. Considering Silver and Grim were able to use their magic in the dream room, it likely originated from Twisted Wonderland (or created by someone on our side). Furthermore, Mickey remembers what happened in the dream room is similar to how the NRC bois were able to remember the book 7 dream. Indicating that the dream room is very likely a magical domain/dimension like what Malleus made. Lastly, consider there may be ghosts at the outskirts of Mickey Town, and ghosts are a sign of magic, and Mickey World doesn't have magic. All of this could mean magic from Twisted Wonderland is leaking into Mickey World through the mirror. That what we learn from this chapter, and the gang are looking into how to enter the room without Malleus using Fae of Maleficence.

DREAM ROOM & MAGICAL DOMAIN

Now in chapter 8.2, the game gives us a diagram of the location of the dream room.

(Translation by Valkyrii)

I would like to note that based on the in game graphic, it implied that Mickey has traveled to Twisted Wonderland but doesn't have access to the rest of the world. We could think of it like someone stuck at the airport in a new country. But most importantly, give us a second character from another world beside.

Now, this diagram is actually similar to diagrams I created for the previous part of this theory (ref 1).

Particularly with this diagram, where the dream room acts as a between space, although I never state what world the corridor of dream/dreamway is located in. While the game points toward the dream room being a magical domain or located in one, it still functions under dream rules. Silver was able to travel to the dream before book 7 using his unique magic (UM), the room breaking once Mickey woke up. So the dream room could still be present in the corridor of dreams, like I present in my diagram. Which I wonder if the creator of the dream room cast a similar spell as Malleus.

I also want to bring your attention to something. This isn't the first time we had a mirror that connected people to Magical Domain, in fact, the students of NRC interact with this every day. I am talking about the Night Raven College dorm, as they are located in their own magical dimension (ref 2). This was mentioned in Book 4, when OB Jamil yeeted the gang to the end of the world.

(4-33 I believe)

The dorm also functions similarly to the dream room, a magical domain that you have to go through a mirror to enter. So could the same system or spell result in both the dorm dimension and the dream room. Now the thing is we don't know, or at least I wasn't able to find anything on how the dorm dimension functions and whatnot. But we should take note of this.

DREAM ROOM CONDITION

So far in the story, the Mickey investigation team still does not have a clue about the condition for Mickey to appear. However, we as the PLAYER have more information, and it safe to assume that it connects to the Overblot. As of book 8.2, Mickey has been to the dream room nine times.

The first one we witness was in Book 3, when the prefect returns to their dorm after Azul Overblot and sees Mickey's silhouette.

In Book 4, he appears once Yuu returns home after Jamil's Overblot. During the brief conversation, Mickey mentioned that he already had this dream 3 times already, not including this one.

He appears two times in Book 5, the first after Yuu returns to their room while Ace, Deuce, and Grim are cursed by Vil for eating sweets. Which is the first time the Prefect sees him clearly. The second visit is when Yuu returned to their dorm after Vil Overblot and was able to get a picture of him.

In Book 6, he appears once Yuu return home after week of repair of Ramshackle due to Styx wrecking the place. During this only Yuu was able to see Mickey in the mirror. This is when Mickey mention that someone else has been in the dream room (aka Silver).

In book 7, when Malleus Overblot, Yuu and Grim wake up in the dream room (inspired by the short, Thru the Mirror), they meet Mickey. Which I discuss quite a bit in the previous part (ref 1).

So far in Book 8, the recent visit where mickey was to converse with the investigation team.

Considering all of this, what pattern can we grasp? One consistent condition is that Yuu is the one present/the witness. Inciting some connection with Yuu and the mirror and/or Mickey. This is further supported in book 6 when only Yuu could see Mickey and not Grim.

I already discussed in part 1 of this theory the parallel between Yuu and Mickey, which still stands.

The more interesting condition is Mickey usually appears in relation to an Overblot. Four out of nine visits actually happen on the same day as an Azul, Jamil, Vil, & Malleus Overblot. As for the three visits Mickey mentioned in Book 4, we know that one should be the Book 3 visit. This leaves two visits that could be associated with Leona and Riddle Overblot. Idia Overblot happening off campus makes him a weird outlier, and I'm not sure how to explain him.

But why are Overblots connected to Mickey's visit? As mentioned already, magic could be leaking from Twisted Wonderland to Mickey World. The Overblot at NRC has resulted in the creation of phantoms because of the extensive use of magic.

It wouldn't be shocking to consider that the Overblot results in the influx of magic leaking. This also could explain why with each visit the connection between Yuu and Mickey is clearer, because with each overblot the amount of magic is increased. Although that means the magic that is being leaked is stored some way.

However, if we are saying that one of the conditions for the dream room to manifest is an Overblot or an influx of magic, what about the other visits in Books 5 and 8? It's hard to tell, the one in Book 5 happens after Yuu has a dream, which may be connected to that. Although, I think the best explanation is that it was needed to progress the story. We could say the same thing with book 8.2 visits. But a part of me is worried about the possibility that something or someone else is causing the influx of magic to Mickey World outside the overblot. Maybe the creator of the dream room.

CREATOR & PURPOSE

(Note: From this point on is crack theory territory, compared to before.

Now, to actually focus on a question that I been avoiding, who is the creator/owner of the Dream Room? We know that the creator is from Twisted Wonderland, discussed in book 8.2. Considering that the dream room contains similarities to the dorm dimension at NRC points toward the creator being connected to NRC. This makes sense since that where most of the Overblots happen. The dream room function similar to Malleus dream realm. Lastly, the dream room technically transports Mickey to another world, similar to the Prefect. Considering all of this, who do you think this points toward? Obviously, it Crowley.

Crowley is the Headmage of NRC, so whatever system is used to establish/maintain the dorms, he should be able to access it. Crowley also has a number of parallels with Malleus (ref 3). The game's opening cutscene seems to imply that Crowley summons the Perfect with the Dark Mirror. Also, Crowley is generally super sus and is the main focus of book 8. Of course, I am not saying he is the actual culprit but he is a most likely candidate. Furthermore, we still have no idea what Crowley motive is and what not, so it hard to make definitive statements about him.

But a better question to consider is if the dream room is intentionally created or is a byproduct of another spell/objective. Because think about it, what purpose would Crowley or someone have in making a magical domain to bring an anthropoid mouse from a world without magic? But what if the dream room is a byproduct of trying to bring someone else from another world - the Prefect. I already mentioned the parallel between Mickey and Yuu in previous part of this theory. With the added evidence, neither Yuu or Mickey worlds have a "systematized form" of magic. This could explain the connection between the two.

However, if the dream room is a side effect/remnant of a spell in which it brings Mickey/conscience/spirit to Twisted Wonderland. Wouldn't that imply something similar with Yuu when they were brought to Twisted Wonderland, or at least their spirit? Insert Yuu is a ghost theory, which this theory is already technically a part two of. Although to prove this idea, I think with the next visit or so, Mickey will have to actually enter Twisted Wonderland as present in this diagram I made.

That Kind all I have to say about cause I am tired writing so yeahhh.

Side note:

In the previous part of this theory I quick mention the idea of Crowley poisoning Yuu and then them having to wake up in dream room or yuu dream. Yeah I have another theory where I go in depth regarding Crowley "poisoning" (ref 4).

[yuurei20]

Hi, I'm working on a theory for Ramshackle and MC. Have the creators said why Queen of Hearts/Scar/etc. were chosen for the Great Seven? ((Also, why did MC become the prefect of Ramshackle and not the Housewarden?))

Hello hello!! Thank you for this question, it became a rabbit hole!

Yana had this to say about the villains who were used for inspiration (from the game guide):

"The number one reason is that they are all from 'masterpieces with which everyone is familiar'. They are all legendary—you need only say the movie titles and the characters come immediately to mind.

Since they are also legends in their own right, we thought it would be good to choose stories with a long history, and that is how we settled on these seven.

There are many other movies with fascinating villains, so it was a very difficult decision."

-Twst Game Guide (2020)

She also goes into detail about the different eras during which the movies were set, which may also have influenced which were selected! More here! (Youtube)

But there may be more going on than we have been told 👀 There are theories that "death" is another theme that links the dorms together!

All members of the Great Seven were villains that either died in their movies (Scar, Ursula, Maleficent, Jafar (in the second movie), the Evil Queen), or were never alive in the human sense to begin with (Queen of Hearts, Hades).

Death has never been a subtle theme in Twst, with new students at NRC arriving via coffins.

Kalim observes that, with the ceremonial robes they wear to orientation, "it's like we're attending a funeral."

And there are also the ghosts!

While it seems possible to be born as a ghost (according to Crowley and Eliza), Lilia says that ghosts "linger here due to powerful attachments or personal motives...they aren't visible outside of magically suffused locations like Night Raven College," and that they "linger" by choice.

And this brings back to the prefect!

In the manga, all three prefects that we have seen thus far have had names connected to the afterlife:

・Heartslabyul Arc, Enma Yuuken (円満 雄剣): Enma's family name is pronounced the same (the kanji is different) as 閻魔 (Enma), the king of hell in Buddhism. From the Kyoto National Museum website: "The King of Buddhist Hell is Enma, who is also the judge of the afterlife."

・Savanaclaw Arc, Hirasaka Yuuka (比良坂 悠河): "Hirasaka" is written and pronounced the same as the hirasaka of Yomotsu-hira Saka, known as "The Entrance to the Underworld" in Shintoism, explained on Shimane Prefecture's official tourism website: "Yomotsu-hira Saka appears as the boundary between the land of the dead and the land of the living."

・Octavinelle Arc, Mito Yuuta (三途 宥太): "Mito" uses the same kanji as 三途川, the "River of Three Crossings," which is "a mythological river the souls of the deceased must cross by one of three crossing points." Credit to blogger Tansho for the discovery that "River Styx" was changed to 三途川 in the Japanese-language dub of the "Hercules" TV show.

So there is definitely a theme of the prefect filling a role between life and death!

While one theory is that the prefect ended up in Twisted Wonderland after they died (in the manga it is insinuated that all three prefects were hit by vehicles directly before waking up at NRC), another theory is that they're not quite dead yet.

If that is the case then they may be close (Grim wakes them up prematurely, and Crowley says that this is his first time having a student who opened their "gate" (coffin) on their own) and they might just be an astral projection of someone who is between life and death, appearing at the magically suffused location that is NRC.

In other words, a ghost 👀

The manga is following a theme of naming its characters something involving "Yuu" (which is always the students' nickname for them) and "Yuu" is also commonly adopted as the default-name for the game's prefect.

Another word that involves a "Yuu" sound is 幽霊 (Yuurei), which means: ghost :>

(Hence the name of this blog! It is the very chuunibyou name of a twitter account I made in 2018 to complain about my job. This potential connection to Twst was completely unintentional and makes me laugh.)

As for why the prefect was named Prefect of Ramshackle dorm instead of Housewarden: I am not sure! But it seems to have something to do with the unique situation that is the prefect's role.

They have not technically been assigned to the overseeing of the dorm as a whole, just to Grim, so maybe that is why? :>

And it is particularly interesting as that means that the role of Housewarden of Ramshackle Dorm is still open--maybe to be filled some day...? 👀

[raven-at-the-writing-desk]

Just randomly reading some folklore and came across a cat sìth and I can't help but think that Grim maybe inspired or have taken some inpiration from it

Knowing Yana, maybe it's not a coincidence and actually ties in with Grim's ultimate role in the main story...? The similarities are there.

A cat sith, as described by Wikipedia, is a fairy appears in the form of a black cat with a white spot on its chest and is capable of standing on two feet. They appear in Celtic lore and generally as a malevolent force. In some tellings, the cat sith is actually a witch that can shift between a human and a cat form 9 times; if the witch turned into their cat form on the 9th time, they would be stuck as a cat forever.

Who else do we know that is a dark-colored bipedal cat with a patch of white fur on his chest??? Who appears like an animal but can cast magic like a witch (/mage)??? Who's constantly getting into trouble? Grim, Grim, Grim.

Shadier still is the fact that Grim has been described by Idia as having a complicated and powerful “thousand-year old primeval magic” cast on him. Who do we know that is reasonably capable of weaving such a curse or a blessing?? Given context clues, it has to be a Draconia or someone who is otherwise very magically inclined. Shroud Papa even likens Malleus’s UM to that of Grim’s magic. That means Grim has an unknown association with fae. There’s a similar air of mystery around both him and fairies too, with STYX being unaware of how to analyze Grim’s test results and not knowing how their memory erasure system would effect long-lives creatures like fae. It seems a tad suspicious, no??

Now here's what's really interesting: the cat sith is said to steal the souls of the deceased before the gods can claim them. Cat siths will linger around burial sites and lie in wait for their opportunity to snatch up the souls. In order to ward these fae off, people would distract them with rituals or safeguard the bodies until they could be safely buried. Another tradition associated with the cat sith is leaving out a bowl of milk for them to drink from; supposedly, this would bless the household. If the offering was not given, then it was said that the home would be cursed for its selfishness and left to starve.

In book 6, Crowley states that once a Phantom is ripped away from its mage and the Phantom fades away, “condensed blot can crystallize.” In other words, the crystallized blot seems to be a concentrated remnant of the Phantom (since it is made of blot?)… sort of like a departed soul… which cat siths hide in wait to snatch up…

So that’s… a clear tie to death 💀 which connects well with the “Yuu is dead” theory. Even for the in-game Yuu, whom we do not technically see getting run over by a vehicle, meets Grim when Yuu steps out of a coffin. In other words, Grim, in trying to get into NRC as a new student, was lingering near a bunch of coffins like a cat sith would.

Like, HELLO????? What does this mean, Yana??? 😭

[raven-at-the-writing-desk]

oh, bless

HE WAS ONLY 30 ROLLS 😭 (Of course, also snagged multiple copies of the new Riddle along the way!)

You can toggle Lilia’s (and, presumably, Floyd’s) hat on and off! This is not true for Riddle/(presumably) Ace those suckers are permanently glued ON or Jack/Azul who don’t even have hats to begin with. Stitch will always join Lilia and Floyd when you set them to your homescreen; you cannot banish Stitch to the void.

Omg… and the summer boys SURF to attack!! The SRs and R have boogie boards and the SSRs have full surf boards. (Lilia and Floyd have Stitch join them as they ride the waves and decimate their enemies 💕)

SSR privileges real 😩

[raven-at-the-writing-desk]

So in the Octavinelle manga, Yuu is named after the Sanzu river. Now this makes me wonder what afterlife associated name will the next manga Yuu have

I’m not a fan of it, but this could technically support the “Yuu is dead in their original world” theory (especially considering that this is a pattern continued from Yuuken and Yuuka, the previous two manga!Yuus). (Because why do all of their names have connections to the afterlife??? 😭)

Yuuken’s surname, Enma (円満), could be a reference to Yanluo/Emma/Yama (閻魔王), who is the master of hell in both Hinduism and Buddhism. Yuuka’s surname, Hirasaka (比良坂), is the same as that of Yomotsu Hirasaka (黄泉比良坂). In Japanese mythology, this term is used to refer to the boundary between the living world and the underworld. Now we have Yuuta Mito, whose name (when written) is 宥太 三途. The 三途 portion is the same as the “Sanzu River” (三途の川), which is basically the River Styx in Japanese Buddhism.

It is also odd that all three manga!Yuus are also in circumstances where they happened to be at a crosswalk or passing in front of a large vehicle before they are whisked away into Twisted Wonderland (though this could just be the usual isekai trope)… and waking up in a coffin… Now that I think about it, I think Crowley also vaguely implied “parting from the former world” and moving “onto the next one” in the prologue, though to be fair, that statement is so vague it could literally mean anything 🤡

I guess two was a coincidence, but three is a suspicious trend and a concerning pattern… (not to mention they also stay in Ramshackle, where spirits unable to move on also reside.)

Well, I guess if Yuu is dead then it resolves them having to go home because there’s literally nothing for them to return to— 💀Easy solution for not leaving Twisted Wonderland tbh/j

[2randomfishperson]

Ghost Prefect, Thru The Mirror, Dream, Book 8 and Other Random Stuff

TWST THEORY + Analysis: Note #008

Part 1, Part 2

2,500K word, because I need to make my self suffer.

Warning : Jp 7.5 spoilers

Abstract

So there is a popular theory that Yuu/Prefect is dead, but I generally don't see many people talk about the mechanism or the impact on the story. So I want to flesh it out a bit, although the main theory is relatively straightforward. It is the explanation that's a bit much, and unfortunately I am not the greatest writer, so please forgive me.

The prefect in their world is either dead or in a coma, while their spirit/ghost/consciousness is in Twisted Wonderland. Basically an out of body experience.

Evidence Toward Ghost Prefect

As mentioned before, there been multiple analysis about the connections between the prefect, Death, and Night Raven College (ref 1, ref 2). That do a lot better job of explaining it than I do, but I will list the common points out here regardless.

Firstly, Night Raven has a crap ton of references to death. Especially in regard to the opening ceremony. Kalim in his robe card mentions how they look like they are wearing funerary garb. This is mainly because everyone is wearing black, which is common at funerals. (This technically applies to their uniform as well.)

The gates are literal coffins, with Crowley's description of the gate seeming to lean toward death and rebirth direction.

Which is so on the nose

Night Raven College is a school full of ghosts, especially in regard to Ramshackle. Which, as far as we know, is a trait specific to this school, as we don't get any mention of ghosts at Noble Bell College (although they do have gargoyles).

The school is themed after raven/crow/corvine, which are sometimes associated with death (ref 3). The armbands that the boys wear on their uniforms may be associated with mourning armband (ref 4). Then we have the carriage that picks up Yuu which is design after a horse-drawn hearse used for funerals (ref 5).

Now, some of you are asking me, "why are we discussing about Night Raven College when this is about the Prefect?" Technically speaking, Yuu and Grim are labeled as part of Night Raven College in the both the gacha and the guest room. Because of this connection, I will consider this info as evidence for this discussion.

In addition, consider the event that happened in the prologue. Yuu get hit by the carriage/hearse (based on the manga and anime). Then wake up in one of the gates/coffins, during a ceremony where everyone is wearing black. It kind of feels like the opening ceremony is meant to represent a funeral - yuu funeral perhaps. Although, technically speaking, the Prefect was never properly awakened by Crowley. Just food for thought.

Then we have the fact that all the Prefects in the Manga adaptation have last named related to death (ref 6).

We can also consider the ghost camera may have a connection with corpse photography from the Victorian era (ref 7).

Ramshackle dorm, where the prefect lives, is a place filled with ghosts. One of the main inspirations for this dorm is the Mickey Mouse short "Lonesome Ghosts" (ref 8) (ref 12) and we could make an argument that it is also inspired by the Haunted Mansion.

We also can take into consideration the NBC event, where Skully is confirmed dead and is a ghost. As I discussed in detail in another post, Halloween events tend to foreshadow future themes and events of the main story, so this could fact could apply to yuu (ref 9).

Now I want to clarify that all the evidence I present is mainly symbolic and doesn't directly prove that yuu a ghost but rather points toward the idea. But that being said, there is a strong connection between yuu and the concept of death/afterlife. For the sake of this discussion, we will assume that yuu a ghost.

THRU THE MIRROR/THE MECHANISM

Okay, now that we have the idea that Yuu is a ghost, how could this work in the context of the game story? Well, we made already got a peek with Mickey Mouse.

As the game progresses, we slowly gain new information about Mickey until we finally meet him in the Dream Room in book 7. During this encounter, Mickey explained how enters this "place". When he falls asleep, his soul leaves his body and enters the mirror like a ghost.

He also mentions the weird stuff he experienced, mainly the battle against the card soldier, and whatnot.

At the end of this experience, he wakes up by the sound of his alarm in his room. What he is describing is one of the scenes from "Thru the Mirror," a Mickey Mouse short (ref 10).

Which, considering Mickey's story, along with Grim and Prefect's experience in this room, it's safe to say this short is canon TWST lore. This implies that this mechanism of entering the dream as some form of ghost is canon to TWST.

(Also, take note of how Yuu describe this info.)

Okay, so now that we've got that established, how does this apply to the Prefect? Well, there is a possibility that Yuu and Mickey are mirrors of one another or are at least connected. The most obvious parallel is with the Yuu's room, the Dream Room, and, in turn Mickey's room.

The game even described the dream room as a "Ramshackle-ish room".

Then there is this interesting thing that happens in 4-40 in the JP version. When Mickey asks, "Who are you?" if you have the default name Yuu, it makes it seem that Prefect responded, "I am Yuu/You". (ref 13, ref 14).

There some other stuffs, like both being magicless, both encouraging others to work together (ref 11). Ramshackle Dorm being inspired by Mickey Mouse shorts (Thru the Mirror and Lonesome Ghosts). The 100 years anniversary card, where Mickey and Grim are matching.

So if Yuu is meant to parallel Mickey, is there a possibility that Prefect is able to enter their dream just like Mickey (possible as some form of ghost)?

We may have already seen Yuu enter their dream through the mirror with the Disney dream cutscene. The cutscene starts with POV entering the mirror, with a similar thing happening as we exit the mirror, like how it is portrayed in "Thru the Mirror". In addition, Yuu tends to describe the experience as feeling real, like they actually enter the dream. Furthermore, the Ost name for these cutscenes is called "I May Be Dreaming," which implies that it isn't a simple dream experience.

Now some of you are wondering, "if Yuu is a ghost, how are they able to interact with stuff and move through difference planes of existence and dream? Is this even possible, and other questions regarding the semantics? Well, someone has already asked these questions - that being Malleus to Ortho.

We also know it's possible for people to have a dream inside a dream, as seen when the Prefect found themselves in the Dream Room, Grim was having a dream about a tuna.

DREAM ROOM & IN BETWEEN SPACE

Okay, to continue this discussion, we need to contextualize the "location" of the dream plane and reality and whatnot. So I made this diagram to showcase it. This is the point where you should have realized I have lost my mind.

(Figure 1) (Hall of Dream = Corridor of Dream = Dreamway)

In the middle of this diagram, we have the Dream Room that is located within the Hall/Corridor of Dreams along with all the other dreams we witness during Book 7. The Hall of Dream (or Dreamways) is basically a subconscious plane where dreams existed and whatnot. We know this Dream Room is connected to Twisted Wonderland, as Silver was able to "visit" this place with his UM, and the Ramshackle duo "waking up" in this place in Book 7. The Dream Room is also connected to Mickey's world, as Mickey is able to come visit this place, as showcased in "Thru the Mirror". We could think of the Dream Room and Dreamway as a bridge between these two worlds. Although you have to be asleep to access this pathway. If we were to be very specific about how there is only one entrance to the dream room (the mirror) (although we don't have evidence to prove that), you could think of the dream room like a railway turntable or wheelhouse. This makes the Dream Room and the Dreamway some form of in-between space between worlds.

Now, it seems like kind of a stretch, but this idea of an in-between space does exist within Twisted Wonderland, with both space and time. We see this in the first Nightmare Before Christmas event with the strange book, where it connected the Skully, who from the past, and the NRC bois from the present. Although it's likely that in the part two of the Nightmare Before Christmas event, we may get to see the book connection people across space with Swing and the current cast.

Which we could go into the possibility that Mickey is from the past, since there is mention of a Mage (Yidsid) and apprentice (Mickey) recount in a Sage Island legend discussed at the end of Book 7. This story is a reference to the short "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" (ref 15). But that is a rabbit hole I am not in the mood to deal with

Another example we could look toward is the Hinterlands, in the same Nightmare Before Christmas event that connected different holidays to one another, kind of like the Dreamway or Dream Room.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR BOOK 8

So after all of these considerations, how does this relate to book 8? Based on the ending of the book 7 epilogue regarding the Mickey Mouse Investigation and all that we have established so far, it is safe to assume we will be returning to the dreams. (WE ARE BACK IN THE FUCKING BUILDING AGAIN, AHHHHH).

Diasomnia will be helping us out with the investigation, including Silver (can travel through people's dreams) and Malleus (former Dream Admin). In addition, we have Ortho, who was critical in locating the Dream ID in Book 7. So we have the member needed to traverse the Dreamway.

Now, we discussed how the Dreamway/Dream Room acts as an in-between area between worlds. So, if Yuu is some kind of ghost, then in theory the Perfect could return to their own world using the Dream Room (Fig 2).

(Figure 2)

However, I believe if we see the cast try something like this, it probably won't work. Mainly because the Prefect is an empty slate of a character, and you can't really show Yuu returning to their own world until the very end of the story.

On the other hand, I want to make an argument that we will somehow end up in the Disney/Yuu dream. It was one of the things that wasn't discussed during the book 7 epilogue, likely because the writers are saving that for Book 8.

Something that may hint at this is gacha, that I already discussed before in another post (ref 17). In book 7, we got a special set of cards for the cast based on their dream outfit. They also seem to be connected to the title you get for collecting ten ards of a specific character . When Book 7 ended, most of the characters had gotten one of the dream cards. The only ones without a Dream card that we know what it will look like is Riddle and Leona, which should be their Overblot card.

That leaves a good chunk of the first gang including Ace, Deuce, Jack, Epel, and Grim. Wouldn't it make sense to go back to the dream so we can get interesting outfits for these guys to wear. Since I am not sure how special they can design an outfit based on the interschool competition. Furthermore, what better dream to enter than the ones regarding the Great Seven.

Adding to this, we also been hinted at the possibility of TWST characters meeting their OG counterparts. We see this with the recent Halloween event where Skully meets Jack Skellington (Ref 9). We could also make the argument that the Lost in the Book event is a test run for this idea and how it could work in Book 8.

Moving on, here is a random idea that is related to what we been talking about. It could be possible that Mickey could use the Dreamway/Dream Room enter Twisted Wonderland, a reversal of what I propose for the Prefect. I don't really have any evidence for this, but it's an interesting concept. Anyway, this is a diagram regarding the hypothetical pathway (Fig. 3).

(figure 3)

The last thing we shall focus on is how does this relates to Crowley. Because this dude will be playing an important part in book 8 story, based off the preview we got. Unfortunately for us, we really don't have much idea of this bird's motive or goal is.

Let's take into consideration this scene in the prologue of book 7, when the first year gang is explaining the Mirror. When Crowley learned about the "Mickey Mouse Investigation", he prevented the first year from continuing their research because it was possible for one to get sucked into a gateway to another world and vanish (oh, now you are telling us this information).

He changes his mind once the Diasomnia agrees to supervise, even offering credit hours for the investigation. This is super sus, he either doesn't want the Prefect to find a way home or wants to rope Malleus and Lilia into the investigation for some grand plan. But that still doesn't give a clear answer.

If it is the case that Crowley is the one responsible for yuu circumstance. (The whole being asleep/death thingy, since that is what this theory is about). The Mickey investigation will either be against or part of his plan. I will note that, as far as we know, Crowley doesn't know about the Prefect's having those strange dream.

Although, here is a random idea. There is a chance that Crowley is possibly going to poison Yuu with an apple, based on some images from the TWST opening.

(the shot in sequence)

Let's say that yuu get poisoned and fall unconscious. Then they wake up in the Disney dream or in the Dream Room and have to navigate from there.

CONCLUSION

Anyway, that all I have. I have been working on this for too long. I have had this idea for a long while, even before book 7, but I only really finalized it last month. It is very likely that most of this will be wrong, but at least if something turns out to be right, then I will be happy. Regardless, I am tired from writing and editing this theory, so that will be all.

[funpoire]

I have been thinking about this the whole day. If you remember Grim mentioned having a letter from NRC and that since then he waited for the college to come find him. I’m 100% sure he wasn’t the one who got invited to this school. The person who might have gotten this letter might be his old master. The person who he was friends with was and some kind of yuu but here probably with magic. A person whose only dream was to become a great mage but who strangely disappeared and/or joined NRC without grim. This will explain Grim abandonment issues.

I don’t think the person who gets the letter was his creator because I do believe that Grim is an old beast. Here again, bringing Idia dialogue about the fact that Grim got in him ancient magic. Magic that probably came from the time the Great 7 was alive.

I’m still wondering if the book might be around the very past of twisted wonderland. At the same time, it would only feel like book 7 and it would be disappointing I think.

[funpoire]

Bingo card book 8

Hello I made a bingo card with mu own expectation in book 8 feel free to share with me your ideas or even using it (just credit me)

1) Mickey jumpscare: here it’s coming from my theory that yuu will get sent to Mickey’s world, and so the first thing they will see when opening their eyes after traversing the mirror will be Mickey’s big face

2) I cry: I know that thing is going to make me tweak 

3) Aceyuu moment: not hard to understand, but I also think that before going home, Ace will talk with Yuu, and that will low-key sound like a confession (delusional)

4) silveryuu moment: we could have an explanation about this line where silver talked about having already met yuu before, and also we could see back the yuu and silver duo (delusional)

5)gift pic album: I think as a goodbye gift, yuu will make an album with all the pictures they took during the year, you know, very sweet moments 

6) Grim goes missing: just like the start of book 6, Grim went to find the blot stone, and Yuu came looking for them, but they are nowhere to be found, or also could be after the failed fight with OB Grim, he decided to move localization, and no one knows where he went

7) Sebek and Yuu's friendship: it makes sense cause they are going to be the ones who will help during the OB, but I like to see yuu introducing Sebek to the friend group and even hanging out with all of them. Also, maybe during the OB of Grim, they all use the power of friendship 

8) Ace tears: after I saw how he was in his dream, I can only imagine his tears before yuu go. ofc the others will cry too, but it’s important Ace cries too 

9) Gift to remember twisted wonderland: makes sense too, everyone deciding to make a goodbye gift to yuu that will maybe be useful during the story 

10) Grim breaks the mirror: it literally happens, so I don’t think I have to explain. See the introduction, where we have to fight Grim

11) sleepover: between all the first years as one last night with yuu here, very hurt comfort scene I fear

12)” where is yuu”: here is also one of my theory where yuu go home by mistake and everyone thinks they go without saying goodbye 

13)big party with everyone: kinda like the sleepover, just one last moment before yuu go home, they all party in ramshackle, kinda like the start of book 7 with Lilia leaving the school 

14)” You are the chosen one, yuu.” I forgot why I said that, ig i expect some very cliché scene where yuu turn out to be important for the lore after getting put on mute for the last 7 books 

15) Mickey in twisted wonderland: here, when yuu finally found a way to get out of Mickey’s world, he decided to follow them, or it could also be funny where yuu and Mickey exchange worlds, yuu going in his world and him going in twisted wonderland. I know Mickey can fight. I played Kingdom Hearts

16) The promise did to yuu: remember when yuu said, “Oh, I wish I could have my friends from twisted and my family from my world at the same time.” Well, I know Malleus got nerf, but maybe as a goodbye gift, he could find a way to yuu to travel between worlds 

17) bittersweet ending: I don’t know how to explain it, but I don’t see a completely happy ending in this book. A lot of people will get hurt, and yuu will never really go back in NRC as a student 

18) timeskip: First year being a dorm leader or being a third year now (tears and hitting the wall)

19) Crowley is a fraud: Crowley hides a big secret, a pretty big and illegal one. He did not become headmage for the fun he had, bad attention, I’m telling you 

20) grim abandonment issues: I explain a lot here, but I think his OB will get triggered by the fear of getting lonely when yuu left, going back to the situation he was long time before 

21) time loop theory: I’m ass at explaining the theory, but yeah, there is definitely a story with time and Crowley in book 8

22) yuu related to the great 7: this one was put as a joke, but if I try to make it serious, I think they are the personification of the truth of who really were the great 7 

23) The book took 3 years to finish: kinda like book 7, it’s gonna take time

Talk book 8: So will yuu have a dream in this book? Probably something between flashback of OB grim and maybe a Disney movie like idk Fantasia. I also could be a storyline around 1936, Thru the Mirror, Disney animation. I hope that in this story we can have an interaction with cards! That could remind yuu of deuce and ace, I think that would be sweet, but I also wish we could see Donald and Goofy, maybe even Minnie.

here check more post I made about book 8:

grim story - theory book 8 event - Crowley 1 - Crowley 2

[remina-mina]

Twst Yuu Theory: Magic as Desire

We got a lot of information from the chapter 12 update so I feel like we can finally have a grasp on Yuu and their future role in the story. Honestly this is practically a crack theory but I feel like there is something there. So throughout the story we have had glimpses of Yuu's insecurities, especially in Book 6 when we lost Grim and couldn't help Ace or Deuce in battle. Its been established that Yuu sees themself as useless and powerless and feels frustration at the fact that they cannot do anything but be protected in battle.

This comes up again in this update but I think its on purpose that Yuu's frustration at being useless mirrors Ace's and the other freshman before they unlock their unique magic. It feels like Twst is creating these parallels on purpose to lay the groundwork for Yuu to have an important role as a 'trump card' in the future (book 8 maybe) just like Deuce was in Book 5 and Ace in this update.

I'm hesitate to say something wild like Yuu will develop a unique magic, however I do think that Yuu will have a role that only they can fulfill possibly because they don't have magic.

Or maybe they will temporarily gain the ability to use magic because as established in this chapter update magic in its ancient form was miracles born out of people's deep desires such as wishing to fly or heal. Following that logic then maybe Yuu will be able to harness the oldest and original form of magic simply through their deep desires.

Also in the Chapter 12 update Leona offhandedly mentions that the dark mirror's criteria for choosing mages is vague but without a doubt everyone chosen to go to NRC has what it takes to make their mark on history. All these lore drops makes me sure that something will be happening sooner or later.

Honestly I hope in Book 8 (if that really does end up existing someplace that isn't my hopes and dreams) we explore Ramshackle's history because it seems special that the dorm has strong ties to other worlds. Considering that they straight up have a mirror that connects to other worlds where we see Mickey and whenever we get snippits of the old disney movies it also is through that mirror it feels important. Maybe we will learn about Skully and how he possibly was a Ramshackle student in his time at NRC.

[2randomfishperson]

To another year of suffering

(12-1/29-1/25-25)

Current Artist Note:

So I want to make a quick doodle of the Heartshakle gang, since we finally got Ace's New Year outfit. I decided to draw a more slice of life scene since I miss drawing that. The Yuus (aka the doom sibling) have a New Year's outfit inspired by my ramshackle dorm outfit I made last year (ref 1). I actually drew these guys for last year, but that was before I had Tumblr. So I will share it with you all now alongside a 2024 drawing of Kalim. They also have their respective note.

(the sibling) Artist note: (12-1/31-1/24-25) I want to do a new year pic of the two of them. I think I really like how this turned out. The new year outfits are inspired by the dorm outfit I made for Ramshackle. I will likely won't much draw as much this first half of this year. But the main goal will be to draw more playful land because I totally don't have a favorite event

(kalim) Artist Note 2024 I am so mad. My art program broke my file while working on it so I had to created a new file but I didn't had any of my layer, which make finishing this a pain so yeah. And I really was looking forwards finishings this normal with pretty detail and every thing.

so yeah

[2randomfishperson]

Doodles inspired by "Once Upon a Dream," but I was possessed by the spirit of mallyuu, pls sent help

(11-1/16-4/25-26)

Artist Note: Okay, here's the thing. I'm not very good at drawing "ship art" that isn't my OC. I don't even think I have ever drawn two people kissing. But when rewatching "Sleeping Beauty" last year, I was possessed to draw yearning Malleus. And when I mean possessed, I mean a voice in my head itched for me to draw. This is not supposed to be actually representative of what happened in book 7. Anyway, here's some more doodles and random stuff, because I've been cursed by Malleus.

so yeah, this feel weird to post

and I hate drawing malleus

[2randomfishperson]

Twisted Wonderland OC (RSA STUDENT) +book 7 spoiler

Artist Note: (11/12/25)-(1/10/26)

For Update Info, Design + Profile : Strawpage

Quick summary

Rosalinde Aureole (Prince Phillp & Flora): A second year housewarden known for his charismatic behavior and virtues. He tends to have a positive view of life, looking for the beauty in everything. He comes from a spoiled upbringing. However, since coming to RSA, he been trying all different things that he wasn't allowed to do, such as washing dishes (although quite horribly). He also has a green thumb, known for his beautiful flowers that he grows. Yet, there is an important secret regarding his origin that he has yet to learn.

Joyous Mezzle (Merryweather): A frist year student known for his pessimistic view. While a half fae, he was raised in a primarily fae community. This fact resulted in him being skilled in magic, particularly in his ability to write/edit magical formulas. However, he is very dependent on his magical ability, making him kind of useless without it. He is very sarcastic and blunt, always considers the worst, but he means well. Joyous emotions tend to affect the weather, so classmates better have an umbrella handy.

Fiadh Serenity (Fauna): A third year fae known for his absentmindedness and kind nature. Rather than living in a fae community, he was born and raised in the wilderness. Thankfully, he is an animal fairy, so he has a deep connection to animals, but that makes him out of touch with human culture. He has a strong love for music, and while not a great singer, he a particularly skilled dancer. Although, please don't let him in the kitchen because he will feed people raw food.

Now all three characters are associated with the three fairies that put Silver to sleep. Currently the red fairy is getting close to death, and all she wishes is to see the young boy she put to rest years ago. But it turns out that the baby freaking disappears, and now the three of them must find out what happened. It turns out the one they are looking for is silver, which they will only discover post book 7.

Note: design are not final and will likely change in the future.

[2randomfishperson]

TWST Halloween event as a tool for predicting/previewing main story context (PT 2)

TWST THEORY + Analysis: Note #012

1,700 k word

(Part 1, Part 2)

WARNING: Spoiler for the Nightmare Before Christmas Event, part two. We will mainly look at how the NBC part 2 could foreshadow themes/topics for book 8. In addition, I will add some stuff I forgot to include in the last post. For context, I recommend reading the last post to have a clue what I am talking about.

PLAYFUL LAND

One thing I forgot to mention, that I am ashamed to admit, is the class difference in Twisted Wonderland, that core theme in Playful Land. Fellow mentioned not being given the opportunity to go to school because of his lackluster magic and being poor. He also note how life would be much easier for Gidel if he had magic. Which is a core reason for fellow hatred towards spoiled rich scholars like many students from NRC, especially those who take for granted the opportunity they are given.

We also have the boss of Playful Land, who is a top tier mage with a great deal of financial power. Who runs the puppet operation with ease and, as far as we know, is never punished for his crime.

Basically, the class inequality in Twst is similar to how it is in the real world, but with the added factor that the more magic ability you possess, the greater opportunity a person has.

We also have seen this represented with Ruggie. He grew up very poor but was fortunate enough to have a decent amount of magic ability to go to Night Raven College.

As discussed before, Fellow and Gidel are parallel to the Ramshackle duo. While I don't believe it directly states in the story how much money Yuu has, we can assume it is barely enough to sustain oneself. Furthermore, their finances are limited by their allowance. With Grim, the game has made multiple statements about the direbeast's lackluster magic, best showcased in Idia's analyses of Grim in book 6.

The point is that Yuu and Grim are a lower rank compared to their classmate, which can cause some conflict or frustration that could present itself in book 8. Yuu has dialogue discussing how useless they feel.

Nightmare before Christmas (Halloween)

I just want to point out this one scene that seems very much like foreshadowing.

This is basically what happened with Yuu, who was summoned to Night Raven College and was told by Crowley they will change the school in the prologue.

Furthermore, the birdman has a lot of suspicious behavior, and considering the title of the next book, I don't think Crowley is to be trusted.

Like, that is not the face of a trustworthy individual.

Nightmare before Christmas (Christmas)

Ghost and Double

Adding onto my previous analysis, I mention two concepts present in both Nightmare Before Christmas events that could be introduced in book 8. The first being ghosts/death, because in NBC pt 1, Skully is revealed to be from the past and dead in the present day. But when the cast meet him in Halloween Town, he was alive. However, in Part 2, we meet Skully again but as a ghost, which could be foreshadowing/parallel to the Yuu is dead/ghost theory.

The second thing was Twst characters meeting their OG Disney counterparts. First, we had Skully and Jack Skellington, discussed already. This time we got Swing and Oogie Boogie, who team up to take over all holidays. However, there is conflict between the two, mainly because Swing had no intention of sharing the holiday with Oogie. Although Oogie does get frustrated with Swing, like when Swing didn't go after NRC bois because of a coin flip. As discussed before, I propose that this could be a test run for the NRC boys meeting their OG counterparts for book 8. But if the NBC event as a whole is hinting to there being conflict if this happens. For a more in depth discussion of this and ghost Yuu, reference the theory I wrote a bit back (ref 1).

The Role of a Prefect

Now, something shocking that actually happened during this event was that the Prefect was actually relevant for once. It wasn't much, but it was something. Christmas is a holiday that isn't celebrated in Twisted Wonderland, making Yuu one of the few who knows about it. Although, since the Prefect is a faceless character, Santa and Jack Skellington were the ones to initially explain Christmas to the gang. However, in Book 3 of the event, when the NRC bois didn't want to help Santa, it was up to Yuu to try to convince everyone to help prepare for Christmas. This may be a test run for something Yuu may do in Book 8. As mentioned already, Crowley believes Yuu to be someone who can bring people together.

Furthermore, Book 8 will have NRC and RSA compete in the interschool competition. Could the Prefect be able to bring everyone together to finally get a victory after 100 years. These RSA has been beating NRC is because of their teamwork.

Power of team work, Overcome a powerful enemy

During the event, the gang had to work together to overcome a powerful enemy, Swing. This reminds me of the intro fight against the prologue monster, likely to be Grim. I don't have much to say about this idea, considering the gang didn't do much bickering about working together. The only real exception was Ruggie, who switched sides after the cast failed to defeat Swing. However, this would be interesting if the situation is meant to parallel something in book 8.

Swing is quite different from the previous Halloween guest character. For one, he is a fae with extremely powerful magic. Most importantly, he is the closest Twisted Wonderland has to a pure "evil" cast member since he. Past Halloween characters had backstories of why they acted "villainous" from grief, loneliness, or circumstance. Swing, however, is motivated purely by greed/desire. That is not to say he doesn't have depth. We can assume Skully's death likely had an impact on Swing, but the dude was already a d?ck before all that. Now we don't know much about Crowley, but he is likely a fae. We can assume he is good at magic if he is the headmage of a arcane academy. Considering the preview we got for book 8, Crowley is likely up to no good. The birdman is head of Night Raven College, the school with primarily villainous students, so it would be strange if he didn't have villainous qualities.

So let's say that Crowley will parallel Swing, and he is meant to be the "villain" that the NRC gang must go against in book 8. If things were to follow the event of the NBC part 2 situation, which character would likely betray the NRC cast? My gut says Grim, considering the first battle and Grim eating all those stones. I assume the reason would be something related to you, maybe not wanting them to leave. Also, I know some of you are going to ask about traitor Ace since that has been a very old theory in this fandom. But it is very unlikely for Ace to betray the Prefect, considering how much he cares for them, as showcased in his dream. Besides, his traitor theme is more related to him betraying the queen, aka Riddle, in Book 1. One final note, this situation we have been discussing could just be a reference to the NRC cast going against OB Malleus in book 7, since Malleus is a powerful green eyed fae like Swing.

What is magic

For most of the game, we've been learning that the core of magic conception is imagination. As a mage, you must be able to envision a spell. This topic was discussed quite a bit in book 7 during dream travel, as each person's ability to magnify their happy story varies. However, in the NBC Pt 2 event, Swing says that the core of magic is desire, that you must want something to happen.

(Translation by Valkyrii)

This is a different perspective on how magic fundamentally works and is showcased when Swing used his unique magic. When everyone magic switches, all the NRC students have trouble using one anothers unique magic. This is because a signature spell is specific to one person, so they would believe they shouldn't be able to master someone else magic. Swing one another hand, want to use the unique magic he obtained, and so he will. Furthermore, Ruggie was able to use Jack UM in a moment of pure fury, likely related to the desire to fuck up Swing.

(Translation by Valkyrii)

Now Swing seems to have a more accurate understanding of magic. "Desire" is very similar to "wish", as they both relate to "wanting." Magic was initially a miracle, both from a wish/desire, as mentioned by Lilia. We witness the power of a wish, as Malleus and Silver were able to bring Lillia back from the brink of death in Book 7. So in book 8, are we to expect this idea of wish/desire to play some part?

Maybe Grim wishes to be stronger, or the Prefect wishes to be useful or to go home. We have yet to get Grim UM, and that something to consider since that was a big focus in this event. Anyway, whatever part of book 8 that uses the concept of wish/desire will end up being a Chekhov's Gun or something.

Conclusion

Anyway, that all I have for right now. I could discuss more stuff, but I can't think of anything interesting to mention. Besides, Book 8 will drop this month, so there isn't a need for more prediction. Although if Book 8 drags on for a few years like Book 7, I may add a part 3 for a future Halloween event, which I hope is Peter Pan themed. PPPPLLSSS dev, I need it. So yeah.

[tartppola]

not quite there yet

[anhniedraw]

Through the lens, I saw yuu.

Just out frame.

I was gonna draw first years fluff but uhh the angst hit hard.

[2randomfishperson]

"Don't turn me green"

Artist note: 2-3/9-7/26

Man I like how this turn out, even if this is a bit messy. For context, this is inspired by book 8 opening scene of grim woke up to having a dream of being dunked by in a cauldron, aka grim turning to a poison apple. Which if it not foreshadowing, I don't know what is. However, that is a topic for another day, because I have a theory associated with it. SO yeah

[2randomfishperson]

A photo of the first year sleepover before ramshackle explodes

3/14-18/26

Artist note:

MY HAND AHHHHHH IT'S SORE, BUT I MADE IT ON TIME. Look, last year I couldn't do a finish drawing to celebrate TWST JP 5th anniversary. SO I made it my goal to do it this year. I will finish my ramble another day because it's like 2:00 am here.

(Few hours later)

Alright, I have returned. Overall, this was very fun. I used an image I found on Pinterest as a base for this doodle, although very modified. I am starting to realize how much I enjoy doing a painterly style of layering stuff on top of one another, as I did with the background and furniture. I still hate doing line art, and for some reason, Epel had to be redone multiple times. This piece would be much cleaner if I spend more time on it but I gave myself a time limit so there is not much I can do.

Also since we got a reveal of grim PJ, that mean I had to update the sibling PJ as well, which was mainly a color swap because Oswalt pajamas are still so funny to me. Especially when you consider the other first year are all wearing layer are just cozy looking. Then, their Oswalt who look like a depressed middle age man, which will never not be funny to me. (I think I made a similar joke in past posts (ref 1, ref 2). So yeah.

Also I didn't forgot Oswalt tattoo you guys are just losing your mind

Bouns