The Outsider

Shh shh shh people are not saying that asexual people don’t have problems or aren’t erased people are just saying that you aren’t going to get fucking fired or denied from a job because youre asexual You’re not going to profiled because you are asexual You’re not going to be denied basic human rights because you are fucking asexual

Asexuals are one of the most dehumanized and hated groups in the LGBTQIA+ community. They’re hated by heterosexuals and LGBTQIA+ people.

People are less likely to want to be around/hire/rent an apartment to an asexual person.

Asexuals are often seen as machines or animals.

Many asexuals are raped so they can be “fixed”.

Even people in the medical field think asexuals are broken.

Asexuals. Are. Not. Better. Off. Than. The. Rest. Of. Us.

Stop making this into a competition and stop invalidating their experiences and problems.

And i dont like that persons tone either. I dont like being talked down to.

Okay but, and I may be wrong here, when has an asexual been mutilated and murdered for their sexual orientation? How many asexuals have had their genitals cut from their bodies and shoved in humiliating places and then left for the public, for being asexual? How many times have asexuals been raped and then murdered just for being asexual? Because it happens all the time to trans and gay kids. I’m not saying asexuals don’t face discrimination and erasure, but when was the last time an asexual person was brutally murdered for being ace? Come back and tell me they’re “one of the most hated LGBTQIA+ identities” when you can answer “more than homosexuals and trans people” because those two groups are still being murdered on the daily.

(For the record I’m what would be considered grey-ace and go through frequent periods of sex repulsion so don’t act as though I’m bashing asexuals with this. I’m just saying we’re not getting near the rate of violence as our peers)

Did you Did you read the post? Did you miss the corrective rape part?

Im sorry but i see rape as a million times worse than murder and i think that counts fuck you. That kind of violence is enough, not to mention the amount of rapes that end in death, either in the moment or by suicide.

And the medical field thinking were broken? That leads to the oh so common abuse of asexuals/queer in the mental health field which, guess what, leads to rape and MURDER. so yeaaaah it does happen so please leave lmfao

The only real “criteria” for oppression is systematic discrimination and we have that so fuck off wit ur oppression olympics bs. Ace ppl r oppressed.

I’m not saying Ace people aren’t oppressed.

I’m not saying they/we don’t face discrimination and violence

I’m challenging the quote “Asexuals are the most hated and dehumanized group in the LGBTQIA+ community”

And as people who face rape death and discrimination from within and out of the q community just for their own sexuality, id say they are. The quote i think is saying that were not just hated by “the straights” but by literrally everyone

We def experience the most dehumanization, and literally everyone hates us so i mean idnt think theyre wrong. The rest of the community faces a diff kind of bs. Ace ppl specifically deal w dehumanization and hatred from literally everyone.

So do trans people. Everything you just said applies to trans people as well.

Can you actually tell me about that? Im cis so i would like to understand better bc i hadnt rlly thought of that. Its ok if not but i wanna know for future reference about how theyre dehumanized.

Sexual assault & rape discussion CW:

Both trans men and trans women are regularly reduced to their genitals by cis people from within and outside of the community. (Nonbinary trans people as wel, the extent to which usually depends on presentation and designated at birth sex).

“Corrective rape” is rather common, I’ve had multiple friends subjected to people who thought they were “just trans because they couldn’t get laid”.

We are regularly subjected to being questioned in public about sexual characteristics we often feel huge amounts of dysphoria over, and when we don’t answer we’re often subjected to continued pestering about it.

“It” pronouns are often used to reference trans people, and pronouns and correct gender referencing are often considered “privileges” that cis people can take away from trans people if they disagree with them.

Once you come out as trans you’re often considered “other”. Both female and male friends stop seeing you as equal. You are nothing except for your transness to them.

Alright i get it. Ty actually. It wasnt very clear to me that u werent just saying ace ppl in general dont experience oppression since thats what this post is about and i figured thats what you were responding to; but yea as long as u agree tht we experience oppression then i agree with u, bc claiming any is the most dehumanized or anything is its own oppression olympics esque thing and trans ppl do deal w the same things.

Yeah exactly. Asexual people definitely experience oppression and prejudice, I'm just saying they're not the most oppressed/hated as wad claimed.

To add on to : "people who thought they were “just trans because they couldn’t get laid”." As a trans person who experienced sexual assault and an abusive relationship before my transition, I've had a lot of people tell me "You're just becoming a guy because you can't stand the way you were victimized as a woman," and other similar things. It's fucking awful.

My system has the same experience. A lot of women/girls abused us and our transition is reduced to that pretty frequently.

“lol asexuals dont face oppression!!”

asexuals: live in such a heavily sex influenced society that many feel broken and incomplete, face erasure both in and out of the lgbt community, have next to no awareness dedicated to them

“haha yeah theyre fine :)”

Shh shh shh people are not saying that asexual people don’t have problems or aren’t erased people are just saying that you aren’t going to get fucking fired or denied from a job because youre asexual You’re not going to profiled because you are asexual You’re not going to be denied basic human rights because you are fucking asexual

Asexuals are one of the most dehumanized and hated groups in the LGBTQIA+ community. They’re hated by heterosexuals and LGBTQIA+ people.

People are less likely to want to be around/hire/rent an apartment to an asexual person.

Asexuals are often seen as machines or animals.

Many asexuals are raped so they can be “fixed”.

Even people in the medical field think asexuals are broken.

Asexuals. Are. Not. Better. Off. Than. The. Rest. Of. Us.

Stop making this into a competition and stop invalidating their experiences and problems.

And i dont like that persons tone either. I dont like being talked down to.

Okay but, and I may be wrong here, when has an asexual been mutilated and murdered for their sexual orientation? How many asexuals have had their genitals cut from their bodies and shoved in humiliating places and then left for the public, for being asexual? How many times have asexuals been raped and then murdered just for being asexual? Because it happens all the time to trans and gay kids. I’m not saying asexuals don’t face discrimination and erasure, but when was the last time an asexual person was brutally murdered for being ace? Come back and tell me they’re “one of the most hated LGBTQIA+ identities” when you can answer “more than homosexuals and trans people” because those two groups are still being murdered on the daily.

(For the record I’m what would be considered grey-ace and go through frequent periods of sex repulsion so don’t act as though I’m bashing asexuals with this. I’m just saying we’re not getting near the rate of violence as our peers)

Did you Did you read the post? Did you miss the corrective rape part?

Im sorry but i see rape as a million times worse than murder and i think that counts fuck you. That kind of violence is enough, not to mention the amount of rapes that end in death, either in the moment or by suicide.

And the medical field thinking were broken? That leads to the oh so common abuse of asexuals/queer in the mental health field which, guess what, leads to rape and MURDER. so yeaaaah it does happen so please leave lmfao

The only real “criteria” for oppression is systematic discrimination and we have that so fuck off wit ur oppression olympics bs. Ace ppl r oppressed.

I’m not saying Ace people aren’t oppressed.

I’m not saying they/we don’t face discrimination and violence

I’m challenging the quote “Asexuals are the most hated and dehumanized group in the LGBTQIA+ community”

And as people who face rape death and discrimination from within and out of the q community just for their own sexuality, id say they are. The quote i think is saying that were not just hated by “the straights” but by literrally everyone

We def experience the most dehumanization, and literally everyone hates us so i mean idnt think theyre wrong. The rest of the community faces a diff kind of bs. Ace ppl specifically deal w dehumanization and hatred from literally everyone.

So do trans people. Everything you just said applies to trans people as well.

Can you actually tell me about that? Im cis so i would like to understand better bc i hadnt rlly thought of that. Its ok if not but i wanna know for future reference about how theyre dehumanized.

Sexual assault & rape discussion CW:

Both trans men and trans women are regularly reduced to their genitals by cis people from within and outside of the community. (Nonbinary trans people as wel, the extent to which usually depends on presentation and designated at birth sex).

"Corrective rape" is rather common, I've had multiple friends subjected to people who thought they were "just trans because they couldn't get laid".

We are regularly subjected to being questioned in public about sexual characteristics we often feel huge amounts of dysphoria over, and when we don't answer we're often subjected to continued pestering about it.

"It" pronouns are often used to reference trans people, and pronouns and correct gender referencing are often considered "privileges" that cis people can take away from trans people if they disagree with them.

Once you come out as trans you're often considered "other". Both female and male friends stop seeing you as equal. You are nothing except for your transness to them.

#DB wrote this

“lol asexuals dont face oppression!!”

asexuals: live in such a heavily sex influenced society that many feel broken and incomplete, face erasure both in and out of the lgbt community, have next to no awareness dedicated to them

“haha yeah theyre fine :)”

Shh shh shh people are not saying that asexual people don’t have problems or aren’t erased people are just saying that you aren’t going to get fucking fired or denied from a job because youre asexual You’re not going to profiled because you are asexual You’re not going to be denied basic human rights because you are fucking asexual

Asexuals are one of the most dehumanized and hated groups in the LGBTQIA+ community. They’re hated by heterosexuals and LGBTQIA+ people.

People are less likely to want to be around/hire/rent an apartment to an asexual person.

Asexuals are often seen as machines or animals.

Many asexuals are raped so they can be “fixed”.

Even people in the medical field think asexuals are broken.

Asexuals. Are. Not. Better. Off. Than. The. Rest. Of. Us.

Stop making this into a competition and stop invalidating their experiences and problems.

And i dont like that persons tone either. I dont like being talked down to.

Okay but, and I may be wrong here, when has an asexual been mutilated and murdered for their sexual orientation? How many asexuals have had their genitals cut from their bodies and shoved in humiliating places and then left for the public, for being asexual? How many times have asexuals been raped and then murdered just for being asexual? Because it happens all the time to trans and gay kids. I’m not saying asexuals don’t face discrimination and erasure, but when was the last time an asexual person was brutally murdered for being ace? Come back and tell me they’re “one of the most hated LGBTQIA+ identities” when you can answer “more than homosexuals and trans people” because those two groups are still being murdered on the daily.

(For the record I’m what would be considered grey-ace and go through frequent periods of sex repulsion so don’t act as though I’m bashing asexuals with this. I’m just saying we’re not getting near the rate of violence as our peers)

Did you Did you read the post? Did you miss the corrective rape part?

Im sorry but i see rape as a million times worse than murder and i think that counts fuck you. That kind of violence is enough, not to mention the amount of rapes that end in death, either in the moment or by suicide.

And the medical field thinking were broken? That leads to the oh so common abuse of asexuals/queer in the mental health field which, guess what, leads to rape and MURDER. so yeaaaah it does happen so please leave lmfao

The only real “criteria” for oppression is systematic discrimination and we have that so fuck off wit ur oppression olympics bs. Ace ppl r oppressed.

I’m not saying Ace people aren’t oppressed.

I’m not saying they/we don’t face discrimination and violence

I’m challenging the quote “Asexuals are the most hated and dehumanized group in the LGBTQIA+ community”

And as people who face rape death and discrimination from within and out of the q community just for their own sexuality, id say they are. The quote i think is saying that were not just hated by “the straights” but by literrally everyone

We def experience the most dehumanization, and literally everyone hates us so i mean idnt think theyre wrong. The rest of the community faces a diff kind of bs. Ace ppl specifically deal w dehumanization and hatred from literally everyone.

So do trans people. Everything you just said applies to trans people as well.

#Neal wrote this

Fictionkin who claim to be the only legitimate version of that character/person make me sick tbh

Like if you’re kin and say “Im the ONLY Captain Kirk, everyone else is fake and no one can be Kirk except me because I’m Kirk!” (There’s probably a reason this tends to only show up in fictionkin and not fictives too.) Do you know how self centered you sound? Do you know how selfish that claim is? Do you know how many other Kirks are going to see that and feel sick to their stomachs and maybe have a breakdown?

Do you realize how harmful and disgusting you’re being when you say you’re the ONLY person allowed to identify as a thing? Do you know how much you sound exactly like a primary schooler who hasn’t gotten their way in a make believe game?

deidarakin

did you know that mentally ill people exist? and they can often feel, since they are a character, that anyone else who claims that they are that character is a doppelganger and cannot possibly be them? do you understand how terrified you would feel if someone who looked exactly like you walked into a room? and then people started treating them like they were you? thats what many fictionkin feel when they see doubles, and they say those things (“im the only one”) to try and calm themselves down, often because they sent into dissociation?

did you know that not all mental illnesses can work together? someone who dissociates when they see doubles cannot physically handle being nice and kind and loving towards a double. thats not how it works. yes, attacking other fictionkin and tagging your “im the only one” posts (in the character or fictionkin tags) is wrong, and shouldnt be excused by mental illness, but what youre doing here right now is not only making everyone you seem to be defending feel like shit, but youre also infantalizing mentally ill people (”you sound like a primary schooler”). youre also throwing people who are selfish because of mental illness under the bus, like boy howdy was this an ableist post.

and honestly its not uncommon for neurotypical people to also feel uncomfortable when someone shares a name with them, or too many similarities (same state/interests/facial features/etc.), so to feel uncomfortable around doubles, that doesnt sound strange at all. i dont understand the constant need for people to attack people for this.

#Neal helped with writing this a lot I really dont have the battery

I love that you call me out for "infantalizing" despite the entire tone of this response being incredibly patronizing.

As a professionally diagnosed DID patient I can tell you that dissociation and mental illness are no excuse to trigger and harm other people.

"making everyone you seem to be defending feel like shit" Funny thing is, I'm defending myself and my systemmates. I'm defending the people who hear over and over that they're not legitimate because some douchemonger decides that their legitimacy invalidates everyone else's. And I don't see how calling that fact out is going to make anyone else feel like shit.

Yes, I'm calling people who behave childishly childish. To say I'm attacking mentally ill people when I'm attacking a set of behaviors not exclusive to mentally ill people is both a fallacy and a strawman argument. Further, assuming mental illness absolves you of responsibility to be aware of the repercussions of your actions is incredibly unhealthy.

I'm throwing no one under the bus, I'm pointing out incredibly unsafe behavior which is actively harming people in your community and asking that community members dont excuse the fact that they're actively and knowingly hurting people based on their mental illness.

And isnt it the otherkin community which has told me time and time again, "you can't be ableist if you're mentally ill"? Well hey. DID, MDNOS, EDNOS, SAD, GAD, PTSD, and possible personality disorders are just the things I've had diagnosed professionally.

And my issue isnt with people who feel uncomfortable around doubles.

It's the people who condemn and attack doubles and who claim loudly and publicly that there are no legitimate doubles of them I have a problem with.

I literally only have a problem with the harmful and vitriolic behavior resulting from the feelings, not the feelings themselves. Privately or healthily expressing discomfort with doubles is good, when it harms others it's instantly not okay.

“lol asexuals dont face oppression!!”

asexuals: live in such a heavily sex influenced society that many feel broken and incomplete, face erasure both in and out of the lgbt community, have next to no awareness dedicated to them

“haha yeah theyre fine :)”

Shh shh shh people are not saying that asexual people don’t have problems or aren’t erased people are just saying that you aren’t going to get fucking fired or denied from a job because youre asexual You’re not going to profiled because you are asexual You’re not going to be denied basic human rights because you are fucking asexual

Asexuals are one of the most dehumanized and hated groups in the LGBTQIA+ community. They’re hated by heterosexuals and LGBTQIA+ people.

People are less likely to want to be around/hire/rent an apartment to an asexual person.

Asexuals are often seen as machines or animals.

Many asexuals are raped so they can be “fixed”.

Even people in the medical field think asexuals are broken.

Asexuals. Are. Not. Better. Off. Than. The. Rest. Of. Us.

Stop making this into a competition and stop invalidating their experiences and problems.

And i dont like that persons tone either. I dont like being talked down to.

Okay but, and I may be wrong here, when has an asexual been mutilated and murdered for their sexual orientation? How many asexuals have had their genitals cut from their bodies and shoved in humiliating places and then left for the public, for being asexual? How many times have asexuals been raped and then murdered just for being asexual? Because it happens all the time to trans and gay kids. I’m not saying asexuals don’t face discrimination and erasure, but when was the last time an asexual person was brutally murdered for being ace? Come back and tell me they’re “one of the most hated LGBTQIA+ identities” when you can answer “more than homosexuals and trans people” because those two groups are still being murdered on the daily.

(For the record I’m what would be considered grey-ace and go through frequent periods of sex repulsion so don’t act as though I’m bashing asexuals with this. I’m just saying we’re not getting near the rate of violence as our peers)

Did you Did you read the post? Did you miss the corrective rape part?

Im sorry but i see rape as a million times worse than murder and i think that counts fuck you. That kind of violence is enough, not to mention the amount of rapes that end in death, either in the moment or by suicide.

And the medical field thinking were broken? That leads to the oh so common abuse of asexuals/queer in the mental health field which, guess what, leads to rape and MURDER. so yeaaaah it does happen so please leave lmfao

The only real “criteria” for oppression is systematic discrimination and we have that so fuck off wit ur oppression olympics bs. Ace ppl r oppressed.

mkultrafemme-deactivated2024031

I'm not saying Ace people aren't oppressed.

I'm not saying they/we don't face discrimination and violence

I'm challenging the quote "Asexuals are the most hated and dehumanized group in the LGBTQIA+ community"

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/sausage-addicted-kookaburra-too-fat-to-fly/story-e6frflri-1225872729208

thatsthat24

That is the face of no regrets.

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living the dream

ちはたんと

military worship in this country is out of fucking control

daneedelion

excuse me?

evilrashida

military worship in this country is out of fucking control

high-shawty-deactivated20180326

Yea you’re right, we shouldn’t honor the people willing to risk their life to save ours and defend our country … oh

evilrashida

Military worship in this country is out of fucking control

cadimonsignal

I’m in the military and yes it’s out of fucking control. Most of the people I know in the military feel the same way. You civilians need to calm the fuck down. Most of us joined in our teens or early twenties. For a lot of us it was because we needed a job, and we didn’t see any other options, and this job has good benefits, especially for an uneducated young person in America. We get healthcare and education!! That’s some tempting fucking fruit. But this is a JOB. Some people in the military become heroes, that’s true. Jumping on grenades, defusing bombs, dragging a wounded person from the middle of a firefight. They usually end up dead in the process. Those people deserve respect, in my opinion. They give their lives for their friends, no matter whether or not you agree with the policies that put them there in the first place. But a lot of people in America reflexively claim that everyone in the military is a hero, full stop. This isn’t true and it lets people look the other way when something is actually wrong in the military, because it’s the military, they’re heroes, they can do no wrong.

We’re doing a job, and a lot of us are never really put in harm’s way. I work in a climate controlled lab for 8 hours a day, for instance. Really grueling. Such a hero. This fawning lip service of an infallible military doesn’t do us any good. I know people who have bought into it, who have heard so many people tell them that they’re heroes that they actually believe it, and they are the stupid and dangerous ones. Joining the military does not make you a hero, and calling us heroes might make you feel all warm and fluffy and red white and blue but it doesn’t do anything for the people that end up on the streets with PTSD or come home with life-changing injuries or in a box. We’re human beings, not some concept that you can just mindlessly adulate and then feel better about yourself.

“lol asexuals dont face oppression!!”

asexuals: live in such a heavily sex influenced society that many feel broken and incomplete, face erasure both in and out of the lgbt community, have next to no awareness dedicated to them

“haha yeah theyre fine :)”

Shh shh shh people are not saying that asexual people don’t have problems or aren’t erased people are just saying that you aren’t going to get fucking fired or denied from a job because youre asexual You’re not going to profiled because you are asexual You’re not going to be denied basic human rights because you are fucking asexual

Asexuals are one of the most dehumanized and hated groups in the LGBTQIA+ community. They’re hated by heterosexuals and LGBTQIA+ people.

People are less likely to want to be around/hire/rent an apartment to an asexual person.

Asexuals are often seen as machines or animals.

Many asexuals are raped so they can be “fixed”.

Even people in the medical field think asexuals are broken.

Asexuals. Are. Not. Better. Off. Than. The. Rest. Of. Us.

Stop making this into a competition and stop invalidating their experiences and problems.

And i dont like that persons tone either. I dont like being talked down to.

#You're a childish selfish misinformed asshole and you need to stop #otherkin #fictionkin #fictionfriends #fictivefolks #fickin #Can you tell I'm in a mood

Okay but, and I may be wrong here, when has an asexual been mutilated and murdered for their sexual orientation? How many asexuals have had their genitals cut from their bodies and shoved in humiliating places and then left for the public, for being asexual? How many times have asexuals been raped and then murdered just for being asexual? Because it happens all the time to trans and gay kids. I'm not saying asexuals don't face discrimination and erasure, but when was the last time an asexual person was brutally murdered for being ace? Come back and tell me they're "one of the most hated LGBTQIA+ identities" when you can answer "more than homosexuals and trans people" because those two groups are still being murdered on the daily.

(For the record I'm what would be considered grey-ace and go through frequent periods of sex repulsion so don't act as though I'm bashing asexuals with this. I'm just saying we're not getting near the rate of violence as our peers)

Fictionkin who claim to be the only legitimate version of that character/person make me sick tbh Like if you're kin and say "Im the ONLY Captain Kirk, everyone else is fake and no one can be Kirk except me because I'm Kirk!" (There's probably a reason this tends to only show up in fictionkin and not fictives too.) Do you know how self centered you sound? Do you know how selfish that claim is? Do you know how many other Kirks are going to see that and feel sick to their stomachs and maybe have a breakdown? Do you realize how harmful and disgusting you're being when you say you're the ONLY person allowed to identify as a thing? Do you know how much you sound exactly like a primary schooler who hasn't gotten their way in a make believe game?

badluckbadger

Hauler still hasn’t quite mastered catching the frisbee

jewist

a thrift store find today

somefagonyourdash