if you don't mind I want to ask you about this...I always thought that Tsurumi had kept something hidden from Tsuki about the story he told him back in that tent in Mukden. if Tsuki want to be free from Tsurumi control he will need the right motivation. I think if someone will ever tell him it will Ogata he's the one who can break Trsrumi mindgames he did to Koito before and he was able to change Koito view on Tsurumi but Idk if Ogata knew about Tsuki story or not. what do you think about this?!
Oh, Tsurumi has kept something hidden from Tsukishima...
...the fact that the man who 'casually' talked with Tsukishima about how they dig up Egogusa...
...was actually someone Tsurumi sent so that he would mention that to Tsukishima.
But this story won't work to free Tsukishima from Tsurumi because Tsukishima knows it's false already and had known it by quite a long time.
Tsukishima doesn't want to be free from Tsurumi's control. Although he knows him and knows he's a liar he choses to believe him over and over and Tsurumi always has to do very little to persuade Tsukishima to follow him.
In a past meta I mentioned how Tsukishima's main vice is acedia, which also translates in him not caring if he's used by a liar, but psychologically speaking questioning Tsurumi and freeing himself from him is very difficult for Tsukishima for two good reasons:
1) he would have to admit he did horrible things for no good reasons at all.
2) he would have nothing else to go by.
After killing his own father believing he murdered Igogusa, Tsukishima was okay with the idea of dying. He could see no good reason to keep on living since she wasn't anymore in the world.
Tsurumi gave him a reason to live, gave him a reason to carry on and gave him instructions on what to do. Tsukishima has to follow Tsurumi's path, not to fumble searching his own and risk on making mistakes. Tsukishima devoted himself to Tsurumi blindly, doing terrible things for him without questioning him, under the belief they would lead to something good for the other soldiers in the 7th.
Leaving Tsurumi would mean to swallow all the wrongdoings he did were for no good reason at all and would leave him with nothing to carry on. Koito tried to replace Tsurumi, basically telling Tsukishima to follow him instead than Tsurumi but Koito is a young boy who has started only recently to use his head and move his first steps in the world. Most of Koito's decisions are taken according to his pride but he's young and he still need support, not mentioning he lived enjoying the protection of his just deceased father. It would be very difficult for him to replace Tsurumi and it would still not be good at all for Tsukishima as following a person in place of another wouldn't really be that great because it wouldn't constitute walking on his own.
Plus the situation they're in is rather complex because they've rebelled to Central. Central won't welcome them on open arms should they decide to dump Tsurumi... and I can't really see them going to Asirpa and asking her to join her group.
It's also important to remember if Ogata sow discord between Koito and Tsurumi it wasn't to help Koito, but to weaken Tsurumi as Tsurumi is Ogata's enemy.
So if Ogata were to try to catch the chance and pin Tsukishima against Tsurumi, it would be in order to damage Tsurumi, in a classic Machiavellian 'divide et impera' (NiccolĆ² Machiavelli: "A Captain should endeavor with every act to divide the forces of the enemy". Machiavelli advises that this act should be achieved either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker) not for Tsukishima's benefit as Tsukishima isn't Ogata's friend and Ogata has no reason to care for Tsukishima.
In short, if it were to be Ogata who were to cause Tsukishima and Tsurumi to split, this could have as a consequence to harm them both.
As said before though, Tsukishima would be a tough nut to crack because Tsukishima WANTS to believe in Tsurumi. He doesn't want to get free of him, he wants to follow Tsurumi, see him win, in hope this will benefit others. He wants a chair in hell next to Tsurumi.
So really, getting Tsukishima to decide he wants to free himself from tsurumi's control and be free isn't going to be easy, if it's ever possible and honestly, I still expects Tsukishima to fall victim of the tiger curse and live a life miserable... unless fans will pressure Noda to give Tsukishima a chance.
@noracha27nā said: wow that was great explanation I liked it!! thereās some point in my question you didnāt answer and itās my fault cuz I was want to ask many things like I made 3 page explanation to make this question more understandable but my words were limited lol let say what if Tsuki knew that Tsurumi is the one who bribed to spread his death rumor in his Island will Tsuki will keep follow Tsurumi if he know he was the main reason that Igoogsa left the Island??
Hum...
weāve a problem here, which is we donāt know if it was actually Tsurumi the one who was behind spreading rumours of Tsukishimaās death.
The story Tsurumi tells Tsukishima is that Igogusaās parents paind Tsukishimaās father to say he was dead so that Chiyo (Igogusaās real name), would accept marrying another man.
Then, to trick Tsukishima, they pretended Igogusa has committed suicide as well.
Of course Tsurumi could have been lying back then but Noda recently confirmed an important fact in this story.
Igogusa is alive and married with Kaneko Kaekoās cousin, who married her because he fell in love with her for her beauty.
And Kaneko Kaekoās father is also an executive at Mitsubishi so it can be that her cousin is son of a manager at Mitsubishi.
Long story short, the story Tsurumi told Tsukishima the first time is likely true and Tsurumi might not be involved at all in the reason why Chiyo left the island.
Itās, of course, not 100% certain but it doesnāt seem unlikely at this point.
But letās pretend someone tell Tsukishima the opposite. Would he turn his back to Tsurumi?
Honestly I think it difficult beause in the end Tsukishima gave up on Chiyo on his own. Once he knew Chiyo was alive, he accepted she married another and didnāt search for her, not even when he was freed, letting her live into the belief she has lost him, without even knowing if she was happy with her husband. When he wasnāt sure anymore if she was alive or not, he hadnāt searched for her and, although he had asked about her to Inkarmat, ultimately he didnāt want to hear the answer.
I wonder if what you actually want to ask if, witht he right motivation, Tsukishima could betray Tsurumi.
If thatās the case, yes, he could. We know he was ready to jump on him when he believed Tsurumi was doing all he was doing merely for the sake of revenge for his wife and child.
This is however not really good, for two reasons:
- the first is Tsukishima really doesnāt want this to be true so heās too prone believing it isnāt. Tsukishima believes in Tsurumi because he wants to believe in Tsurumi. Because if Tsurumi lied to him, all he did for Tsurumi would be for nothing and Tsukishima doesnāt want this.
- the second is that thereās not criticism to what they had been doing up till now. Thatās still the plan, so Tsukishima would just dispose of Tsurumi and then, if a new leader aiming to the same goal were to arise, he would continue to serve him. Or he would kill himself since he likes to say heāll have the spot next to Tsurumi.
So yeah, Tsukishima can kill Tsurumi if it turns out he was aimed by revenge, but this wouldnāt really be that good for him unless something else were to happen.
On the other side, Noda implied Tsukishima will be hit by the tigerās curse so he has ahead of himself a life of misfortune and, due to this, itās ulikely heāll reach happiness. Weāll see though.
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