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Me @ Mike the entire finale
Don't worry Bilbo, Thorin was just your Tammy
anyway. i’m being completely serious when i say that so many of you should be writing and publishing your own stories. if two mediocre white men can write a half assed story and get critical acclaim, just imagine what you can do
Well, there's one good thing that came out of that ending for me.
As an author, the Duffer's atrocious writing just gave me an extra surge of angry motivation to write a better story. I've had an idea in mind for a while, and two of the main characters will have a lovely queer slow burn inspired by Byler. If they are too fucking scared to write a true anti-conformity that will ACTUALLY represent queer happiness and themes, then I will. Just give me 5 years to write 4 books. I've already written 2 books of a different story before the age of sixteen, and I plan on one upping these grown men and making it known publicly what they did if the story I am writing ever becomes popular. If anything, even if it never has more than a few hundred readers, it will be dedicated to all of you on Byler tumblr, for all of the members of this community who related to Mike's repressed queerness and were robbed of Will's happy ending.
Thank you Duffer's for reminding me of how important stories are to people, and reminding me that I have the ability to write them when others fail to use their influence for good. I might be a kid now, but even you stupid men preached how kids can be smarter and stronger than a whole evil dimension and the US and Russian military. Fuck you. Off to find my pen and paper.
Hi, Byler fans. I don't usually post here but I just finished the Stranger Things finale and wanted to get something out that I feel needs to be said. My grandmother had an older brother named, coincidentally enough, William.
He was born in 1919 and he was gay.
Everyone in the family knew. It became an unspoken secret. And here’s the part people don't really say about the past: he wasn’t cast out. He wasn’t beaten. He wasn’t disowned.
They loved him. They were a close‑knit family.
What they did instead was play a game called pretend.
They never said it out loud. When the family gathered for holidays, his siblings brought their spouses. Uncle Bill came alone. His partner wasn't invited, of course. They didn't even want to know he had a partner. When children asked why Uncle Bill wasn’t married, the adults smiled and said, “He’s just a bachelor.”
That answer was given to my mother in the 1950s. To my sister in the 1970s. And to me in the 1980s.
People like the Duffer brothers seem to imagine that the past was only made up of violent, cartoonish homophobes. And sadly, there were a lot of those, just like there still are today. But some families were “fine” with gay people—as long as they were quiet. As long as they didn’t ask for the same things. As long as they didn’t bring love to the table.
Uncle Bill was accepted on one condition: He sat alone.
So when a modern show frames a gay boy’s arc as “learning to accept himself without expecting love in return,” that’s not radical. That’s not brave. That’s not new.
That story is over a hundred years old.
It’s the story of being tolerated, not chosen. Of being loved in theory, but denied in practice. Of being welcome—so long as you don’t make anyone uncomfortable.
My Uncle William lived that life a century ago. We don’t need to keep calling it progress.
I know a lot of people on here are young. So take the pain you're feeling now and remember it as you get older. Write your own stories that embrace what this show denied. Write the story you wanted Byler to be. Be the generation that stops telling this tired old story.
Do it for my Uncle Bill. Do it for Noah. Do it to give the middle finger to the Duffer brothers. Most of all, do it for yourself.
You know what : f*ck it , I’m turning this into a positive New Year’s resolution!
I have my qualms with some of Noah’s past political comments. But , he was right about one thing : a lot of us theorists and fans “are better writers than the Duffers.”
Maybe, I should actually try to write some of my (fantasy/sci/fi) novel ideas down on paper . I’ve had like 3-4 stuck in my brain for years. I haven’t written anything in a very long time . And I’ve only written short stories for fun as a kid or for college assignments . So an actual book may be challenging . I definitely could improve (in terms of grammar) . But, you have to start somewhere. :)
Some of you guys should try writing the stories you want to see in the world - even if at the current moment it’s just for fun. This fanbase has had many cool theories , which frankly shows some of you are creative enough to craft a fulfilling story.
So , I guess, my resolution is to try and write the type of story I want to see in the world. Love ya’ll .
YES KAYPEACEEE do it!!!
if you told 2022 me how badly they fumbled season 5 she genuinely would have thrown up
never seen a great concept for a story be so poorly written in my life. It's actually insane how terrible the Duffers ended the show they built up- like- I can hardly comprehend what I just watched
plotholes???
queerbait???
El suicide???
Mike terrible boyfriend and homophobic???
Will almost FORGIVING Henry for SA??????
Crazy buildup for Will having romance in Vol 1 just to lead to nothingville??????????
What has the world come to
I'm... so confused?
What was the purpose of the scene about queer signals, if Will was never going to receive queer signals? Why was the question concerned with the obviousness of signals, and not the mere presence of them? Why use the term "shared looks" when that was a known call and response on set for Noah and Finn?
What was the meaning of the snowball and avalanche metaphor? Why include that scene at all? Where was the payoff?
You're going to write an entire meta scene on queer signals of attraction, include examples that we have already observed, indicate an eventual pay off... and not let it pay off? Why? To be malicious?
You tell the audience through Will that Mike was just his Tammy this entire time and expect us to believe it? Was Tammy in Robin's video tape? Did Robin know Tammy since she was five? Did Tammy run after her in the rain or recognize her breathing over the radio?
And Will Byers never got kissed. Will Byers witnessed queer love, queer joy, and queer intimacy through a kiss at the beginning of the season, wanting that for himself because he's a romantic... and never even got kissed. Not even by his epilogue boyfriend.
so..! to recap !!!!
we don't know why will was taken specifically
hopper and joyce just happened to conveniently forget going to school with henry
the painting lie hasn't been addressed
we don't know why el recognized will in season 1 without having ever seen him before
we don't know who opened the door the night will was taken
mike and will's colors just HAPPEN to be blue and yellow and the cast, crew, and WRITERS THEMSELVES telling us to "pay attention to detail" was deadass just generational queerbait
after everything, mike STILL couldn't say i love you to eleven
patty newby is non-existent and creelby just happens to parallel byler for literally no reason 🩷
will was about to FORGIVE henry.
the duffers genuinely forgot their OWN MAIN CHARACTERS BIRTHDAY AND AGE MULTIPLE TIMES
the russian involvement in s3 and s4 was never explained so it was prob just capitalist propaganda except they don't want us to realize that so they gave jonathan an entire anti-capitalist film storyline for the sake of "screwing conformity" i guess
ohhh but! critiquing society???? fuck that! because they also didn't show us vickie in the epilogue at all, giving her and robin a completely ambiguous ending in which 90% of the fandom believe they broke up off-screen!!!!!!! A+ for representation !!!!!!
not only that, but will doesn't even have a CONFIRMED epilogue boyfriend. that is full well a cute lil headcanon that MIKE has for him.
terry ives, lonnie, enzo, max's mom, suzie, argyle, dr kay, the turnbow family, the school counselor with the clock necklace, and dr owens just vanished into thin air, ALONG WITH ALL THE DANGERS OF THE UPSIDE DOWN???? where were the demodogs, the demogorgons, the demobats????
max's letters were just completely insignificant and had no reason to be mentioned again i guess
november 6 just happened to be a funny coincidence
they ALSO happened to forget that nancy had a vision of mike being killed by vecna in s4 bc that boy wasn't even remotely in danger at all while every other wheeler was put through hell
dr brenner's obsession and fascination with the upside down and abyss stemming from how his father was involved in project rainbow was also not addressed
not to mention that the dude is literally horrendous at drawing animals but when it comes to the flipping hexcore he's da vinci
melvalds, the general store, just happens to sell milkshakes
will adores getting lost in the woods because that's such a fun activity for him
henry just gave holly her favorite song because he was feeling kind
they never actually defeated the mind flayer !!!! which is wonderful
we actually never find out whether or not will lost his powers
el's water tank in the upside down being completely full although there has literally NEVER been water in the upside down before
mike is somehow the only one who has ever understood el even though she was 10x happier with max. could they not have just admitted that they made the elmax reunion so incredibly lackluster because they refused to let ANY gay ships win regardless of how much chance they had of being canon?
the 'lovebirds' parallel between jonathan + steve and mike + eleven??? what was that even for
all the dick jokes, mike listening the a band called the BUTTHOLE SURFERS, the camera panning to mike 7000 times during will's coming out scene, mike not being able to touch will, all just happened to be fun coincidences
not only that, but the mike-will-eleven and nancy-jonathan-steve love triangles were resolved by none of the couples working out! wow.
they really just made us wait 3 whole years for something BEYOND mid.
Why Will Had to Come Out Publicly , and What Mike Is Actually Thinking
I never expected my previous analysis to receive so much love, and I’m truly honored. Over the past few days, I’ve watched the discourse spiral out of control. People are losing their minds, deeply disappointed in the show—especially because the coming-out storyline made them feel offended. And poor Will even referred to the boy he’s loved for years as a former “crush.”
What makes it even worse is that after Will falls into a trance, Mike suddenly stops touching him. He becomes distant, strange—off. Many people have taken this shift as a signal that the Byler storyline is officially over.
Guys, you are completely wrong.
The more furious and frantic everyone becomes, the deeper you fall into the Duffer brothers’ trap.
When I finished Vol. 2 for the first time, I also experienced a brief moment of mental blankness—thinking, this is absolutely not the narrative I was expecting. But it only took one night. Once I calmed down and looked at all these “abnormal” signals from the perspective of a creator, I got literal goosebumps. The Duffers are extraordinary storytellers.
In the following analysis, I will continue in the same style as my previous piece, using fundamental theories of dramatic and textual construction to uncover the hidden narratives embedded in the Duffers’ script. These hidden narratives are deeply tied to Mike’s character. Once you recognize them, you will have unshakable faith in Byler.
I will also explain why the Duffers ultimately chose to have Will come out publicly, rather than in a private moment, and why we were deliberately denied a one-on-one, heart-to-heart scene.
So let’s stop being consumed by frustration and anger. Let’s calm down and prepare ourselves for the ending that’s coming. I can say this with absolute certainty: we are going to get what we want.
First, let’s talk about the line that ignited so much audience outrage “I had a crush.”
This,has been interpreted as official confirmation that Will has accepted Mike as not his true love. But please, guys—remember this: the narrative perspective of this monologue has always been Will’s. What we are hearing is what this boy believes, not what constitutes objective truth.
Think about mystery or detective films. The first character presented as a prime suspect is never the real culprit. The characters within the story may believe he’s guilty, but we as the audience know better. This is a classic narrative device—limited character perspective.
Now, imagine you are Will.
You fall in love with your best friend, while he’s kissing a girl. Your friends and family all know they’re together, and that girl becomes like a sister to you. When they break up, he’s devastated. You comfort him. You hear him say “I love you” to her. Your heart nearly shatters, yet you’re still happy for them.
Deep down, you know he will never love you back.
You long for his love, but you’re also ashamed of the uncontrollable, secret feelings buried inside you. Sometimes you can’t help but wonder—his tenderness, his care, your moments of intimacy—could they mean that he feels something too?
You cautiously reach out to test the waters.
Emotion hits like a soda can dropped to the ground—the carbonation violently exploding—but you desperately try to suppress it.
So you convince yourself that all those tiny fragments of affection you feel are simply because he sees you as a close friend. Because you know he will never love you back.
He is just your Tammy.
And you will never have him.
So Will tries to let this boy go. He genuinely convinces himself that he and Mike are fundamentally different people—that Mike could never become his boyfriend.
When you truly look at the world through Will’s eyes, you begin to understand that when he says “he was my Tammy,”even though it breaks our hearts, it is completely loyal to character POV. It is not an objective definition of reality.
I even think that later on, they might have Robin teasing Will with something like,
“Well, looks like he’s actually your Vickie,”
as a direct callback to the line “he was my Tammy.” Because the story has already told us: Will is wrong about this.
I also want to point out something from the very beginning of Episode 5. After Will and Mike hug, and Will blames himself because the kids have all been taken by Vecna, he says:
“It’s too late. I failed.”
This line is almost identical to what Adora says to Catra (if you’ve read my previous post).
I believe this is a very, very explicit parallel, deliberately signaling both a mirrored character relationship and the direction the final battle will take.
After the coming-out moment, Will rejoins the group. He believes that by making his secret public, fear will no longer have power over him.
But this, too, is a narrative misdirection.
Because in that confession, Will tells his second lie about Mike.
Even after coming out, he still hides the truth—that he is deeply, painfully in love with Mike. He does not want Mike to know.
The Duffers have mentioned that Mike may have “clocked” that he could be Will’s crush in that moment. And honestly, Mike’s reaction alone already tells us enough. You can see his mind racing. He is processing fast. He is beginning to understand that Will has feelings for him.
But Will’s lie interferes with that understanding.
So what Mike experiences in that moment isn’t clarity—it’s confusion.
At the same time, he is finally starting to feel what Will have felt all along: watching him kiss El, standing beside him, supporting their relationship, swallowing every ounce of his own pain.
And god—if you really sit with it—I’m willing to bet Mike hates his past self right now. The version of himself who once said, “It’s not my fault if you don’t like girls.” That internalized homophobia. That fear.
He isn’t Mike the Brave. He’s just a terrified boy who has never allowed himself to face the truth.
And his head—his heart—is about to explode.
We can clearly see that the directors deliberately constructed a large amount of physical contact between Mike and Will—right up until their hug at the beginning of Episode 5.
After that moment, Will falls into a trance. And just as deliberately, Mike stops touching him.
This contrast is not accidental.
It is a carefully designed visual break, meant to serve a future narrative turn.
When I first came to this conclusion, people on social media were still reacting emotionally—insisting that Mike was simply standing there doing nothing, and that this was a failure of writing and character direction.
But I’m relieved to say that as I’m writing this analysis, I’ve already seen people begin to calm down and recognize that Mike’s behavior carries intention and meaning.
Some analyses have pointed out that in the conversation between Max and Holly, right before each of them runs toward their own exit, Max’s dialogue subtly rewrites an established rule of the show. It suggests that music isn’t the only thing capable of pulling someone out of a trance—touch (presence), companionship, and things in real life that deeply matter to you, things that form genuine emotional connections, can do the same.
I believe we can now be fairly certain that both the disappearance of Mike’s physical contact and the introduction of this expanded “awakening” rule are tied to a specific moment in the story’s climax.
But what I want to focus on here is the narrative logic behind Mike’s behavior.
Some people say that Mike simply stops caring—that he just stands there, detached—and this angers many viewers precisely because the episode opens with such a tender hug between him and Will.
But if you watch carefully, you’ll notice something else.
After Will loses consciousness, Mike falls into deep distress. It’s just not immediately visible—because Mike is someone who has learned to hide his vulnerability and his true emotions.
The only times Mike has ever fully shown his vulnerability are both connected to Will:
when Will’s fake body is discovered in Season 1 and Karen hugs him,
and at the end of Season 3, when Mike looks back at Will’s house before leaving, When he got home, he was so sad comforted by Karen.
Mike’s vulnerability has always been tied to Will.
After Will collapses, He doesn’t know what to do. And beneath that confusion is overwhelming guilt.
When Will managed to kill three Demodogs, Mike was so proud of him—so exhilarated—that when they tried to use Will’s abilities again, he forgot that doing so would put Will in danger.
Joyce later blames herself, telling Hopper that it was her idea.
And it’s clear that Mike is thinking the same thing.
He encouraged Will to be the sorcerer.
And now, internally, he’s blaming himself.
Will told him that he is the heart of the team.
But when Will is truly in danger, Mike can do nothing. He has no powers. He can only rely on El.
So what kind of “heart” is he, really?
When I rewatched Episode 6, a line suddenly stood out to me. Holly is crying to Max and says that Mike encouraged her—but that she isn’t a hero. She just stood there and did nothing.
That line hit me hard, because I realized it functions as a parallel line—a projection of Mike’s own inner state.
Even after Will wakes up, you can see this conflict continue.
When Mike enters the room while Will is talking with Joyce, his gaze is hesitant, uncertain. His voice is gentle, restrained—careful.
And once again, he uses Will voice.
If you understand this character emotionally, you understand why he acts the way he does.
Finn is a good actor, but many people struggle to read his performance. Because of that, he’s received a lot of criticism—and Mike’s character has become controversial as well.
That genuinely makes me sad.
Mike carries an enormous emotional weight. His inner world is dense, conflicted, and restrained.
And I truly believe that after the final episode, many people will finally see him.
Finally, I want to talk about the coming-out scene.
Like many people, I never expected Will’s coming out to happen this way. In my imagination, it would have been a very private conversation—perhaps with his mother, or his brother, or maybe his closest friends. But definitely not with half of Hawkins sitting in front of him, including people he barely even knows. Honestly, that scenario is painfully awkward.
We now know that the original version of the script was an intimate conversation between Will and Joyce. After filming it, however, the creators felt unsatisfied, revised the script a week later, and returned to reshoot the episode. I find this incredibly interesting.
Noah Schnapp and Winona Ryder are both highly professional actors. I have no doubt that if that original scene were shown on its own, it would have been beautiful—private, tender, and emotionally efficient in terms of audience resonance. In fact, it would probably have been the best possible choice purely from an emotional standpoint.
But the Duffer Brothers didn’t choose it.
And that’s because this coming-out storyline is deeply, structurally connected to the final main plot.
In my previous analysis, I described how I believe Episode 8 might unfold (if you haven’t read it yet). This coming-out scene is actually an emotional shift of perspective—it transfers Will’s emotional narrative onto Mike. In the final climax, Mike’s character high point will be an emotional avalanche, and Will’s confession is one of the crucial snowflakes that triggers it.
When Mike finally has the courage to admit his love, the old narrative order—the version of Mike constructed through years of misdirection and limited perspective—will completely collapse.
So how will Mike’s avalanche happen? What will we see next?
When writing a protagonist, we usually don’t portray them in isolation. Instead, we use surrounding characters as emotional mirrors to connect the audience to the protagonist. If the camera focuses only on the protagonist, the storytelling risks becoming self-indulgent emotionality.
I believe Mike’s emotional avalanche will be witnessed by many people.
Imagine this: If Will’s coming out had been a private moment with his mother, then at the story’s climax, the other characters would have no context for Mike’s breakdown. They would only see him suddenly screaming “I love you—I’ve always loved you” at a fallen boy, in utter despair, with no narrative justification. The surrounding characters would be unable to emotionally process that moment, because it would violate narrative legitimacy.
Based on this logic, the staging of Will’s coming-out scene shifts from serving emotional naturalism to serving structural optimization. The choice to move from private knowledge to collective knowledge isn’t arbitrary—it exists to guarantee the emotional impact of the climax.
From a screenwriting perspective, this choice is reasonable—and arguably the best one.
Moreover, from a psychological standpoint, Will choosing to face the thing he fears most, rather than allowing Vecna to control him and hurt his friends, is an act of immense courage.
The audience’s discomfort comes from behavioral empathy: we project ourselves into the coming-out scenario and recognize that revealing such a personal secret in front of unfamiliar people feels deeply unsafe. That discomfort is real.
At the same time, the show doesn’t visualize Vecna’s illusion here, so while we engage in behavioral empathy, we fail to fully achieve character empathy.
The scene feels insufficiently private and lacking intimacy because Will’s emotional density is diluted.
If Will were milk poured into his mother’s coffee, it would become a smooth latte.
But pour that same milk into a cup the size of half of Hawkins, and it barely changes anything at all.
Now Will has confessed his secret to everyone. And when the avalanche finally happens, everyone will understand: This kind, lovely boy has always been deeply in love with his friend. To protect everyone, he selflessly chose to make his secret public, burying his love in silence.
And in that moment, they will also realize something else—that smalltown boy he loved all along had been quietly loving him too, just as deeply. His love overcame fear and evil.
Is there anything more moving than that?
I believe that in the final episode, we as the audience will be emotionally synchronized with these supporting characters’ perspectives—especially considering that Byler’s emotional foreshadowing has existed across five entire seasons, yet so many people have still failed to see it.
What the Duffer Brothers are attempting is incredibly difficult—and extraordinary.
As we get closer and closer to the final episode, my belief that Byler endgame has only grown stronger.
I’m beyond excited. It’s really going to happen.
Just thinking about it makes me overwhelmingly emotional.
Please look forward to the finale.
Thank you to everyone who commented on and shared my first post—it truly meant a lot to me. I’m sorry I couldn’t reply to everyone.
And if, like me, you firmly believe that Byler will endgame—please share this so more people can see it.
the coming out scene WAS necessary and I think it could have been done better but you know the SECOND the GA or a homophobe starts hating on it I am going to defend that shit like it was the best thing to ever grace my eyes
Was Will's coming out scene terribly written? Yes. But at this point I don't care because as long as Byler is endgame and it's their gay love that saves the world, one good message will still be punching all the homophobes in the face bringing justice to everyone called delusional and destroying shithead Elon musk's opinions and every other celebrity and YouTuber and Nobody that ever thought they could get away with avoiding and oppressing queerness. The world will be watching on new years. The duffer's have one last chance.
I just want you all to take one second and imagine what it feels like to be Noah today.
The absolute humiliation, guilt, shame, etc.
You all contributed to that. Will Byers is FICTIONAL. Do I love him endlessly and wish he had gotten everything he deserved? Yes. But Noah Schnapp is the real gay person behind this scene, these episodes, who poured his entire soul into this season and this scene.
The fact that you’re willing to band together and fight for the fiction and not the reality is just…beyond fucking abysmal, man.
i do think it's wild how everyone's jumping to conclusions super fast acting like it's over. like yeah we should manage our expectations to avoid being overly emotionally attached to the outcome of a ship (and i definitely have after vol 2), but if you actually look at it objectively all the set up for byler happening in the finale is there.
nobody had an issue w vol 1. vol 1 set up byler in a huge way with the snowball conversation, the signals, sorcerer moment etc. now at the end of vol 2 we have will believing he has no chance (which we always thought was going to happen. ofc he would think it's unrequited, is that not what happens in every romance plot ever?), will having come out to everyone after robin telling him that she had to tell someone before being able to make a move, mike knowing about will's feelings for him, which they need to have at least one conversation about, the upcoming twist of will being somehow connected to the wormhole, which will obviously mean things don't go to plan, and the painting that still has yet to come up. haven't we always said the painting is the final piece of the puzzle? it's possible they somehow forgot about it (even though they featured it in s5 promo and brought up other s4 plot points, like with jancy) but it's also possible they're saving it for the finale for a reason.
not to mention m*leven is still bones. el's ending is almost definitely not going to be with mike regardless of byler. every other character plotline has been closed out in vol 2 aside from willelmike, giving them plenty of space to focus on them. the crumb we have of mike's arc this season is about him hiding his fear behind a mask (which we see with holly isn't effective in the end) and trying to be mike the brave for real. him saying "i don't want any regrets," coupled with his tearful reaction to will coming out and nodding when will says he doesn't have any more fear. mike is going to have a big moment in the finale related to overcoming fear. ik it feels like he hasn't been getting any spotlight in s5, but what little we have got so far perfectly points toward everything we've been wanting, does it not??
and ik a lot of people have doubt because of the interviews, but they haven't touched on anything about mike's feelings. still. they never said "mike doesn't return will's feelings" or "it was never the intention to make mike and will get together." everything they say now is going to line up with what we've seen as an audience, which means yes, they're going to focus on will diminishing his feelings to a crush and pretending he's over it. they definitely didn't word the way they talked about queer experiences well, and it came off insensitive. i fully agree with that, but my point is we have always known they give misleading interviews and we shouldn't start believing them now when we've always maintained that we should focus on the show itself rather than what the cast says.
anyway if it doesn't happen in the finale, i'm getting my pitchfork out and the duffers are evil for this. but the show isn't over yet, so until then i'm still here.
For the love of god,
Stop talking and sharing links about cutgate.
Stop reviewing bombing “The Bridge” episode.
We’ve not seen the full season yet. I completely understand how unexpectedly poor volume two was. But the majority of you, are jumping to conclusions. Conclusions that don’t even have the full story yet, and that we will see in a couple days regardless.
All this is doing is making the byler fans look immature and crazy.
I, like the majority, did get major byler doubt from vol 2. But, that is not an excuse to behave like THIS. You can talk about all of this when we’ve seen the final, but until then, If you need a break from social media. Take one.
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me reblogging totally contradictory posts one after the other bc I DON'T KNOWWWWW I JUST DON'T KNOW