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@probloumatics
OTRA: a summary
Please stop.
Sorry, fam, but I can say what I want, whenever I want. I’m free to post about zamii070 and all her fakeness as much as I want !!
Well, we truly, truly appreciate you speaking up for those that can. Truly, we'd be lost without you crusading on behalf of those that are perfectly capable of forming their own opinions and responses.
I never said I was speaking up for others or trying to “crusade” for anyone who is able to make their own opinions. I’m speaking for myself, although I’m sure some people out there share my opinions and just can’t speak out about them because they’d face this sort of reaction.
Are you kidding me?? If you don't like a way a person draws a character, you block them. YOU DON'T MAKE 50+ HATE BLOGS AND BULLY THEM CONSTANTLY. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE? It's fucked up, cruel and hateful.
I never once said that it’s okay for people to make dozens of blogs to send hate to someone. If you read any of my posts, you’d know that. That is not why I’ve made so many posts or why I continue answering these messages.
I am really curious now: are you black? Chubby? Honestly, I sincerely laughed at your reply because there was an infantilism in it I couldn't help but consider amusing. You act like you're here to bring justice in but you don't care about other people's opinion, that's quite ridicolous. And HOW is wanting complete equality racist? Please, enlighten me, because I am really curious.
I’m actually Latino, but yes, I’m also chubby. Why does that even matter, though? And I do care about other’s opinions, but when those opinions are ignorant and misguided, I’m going to call them and address them as such.
And you don’t want complete equality. Your message was clearly pro-white and pro-skinny, which is your opinion that you are entitled to have. I don’t agree with your beliefs. End of story.
I am obese and fighting against hormonal problems on daily basis but.... you know... I'm not really bothered by some people who draw skinny Rose. I mean, how is THAT going to change the body positivity of SU? And shouldn't you do the same and attack, then, those who keep drawing skinny characters way larger than they are? Or People without canonical race only with black skin? Or white people turned in black characters? And before you accuse me of racism let me say I live with a black woman.
I can’t believe this message is actually in my inbox, but I’m going to address it publicly anyways.
Just because you’re not bothered by it doesn’t mean that other plus-sized/chubby people can’t be. Don’t invalidate the voices of those who are upset by this.
I never said drawing skinny SU characters will change the body positivity of the show. I said that it derails and ignores it.
Why would I attack anyone who makes skinny characters plus-sized when there’s hardly any representation for chubby characters and SO MUCH REPRESENTATION for skinny characters ?? If they make skinny characters chubby, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Why would I attack people who turn unaffiliated or white characters into black character or any other ethnicity when there are more than enough white characters out there ?? If they take non-POC characters and turn them into POC characters, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Living with a black woman doesn’t give you a pass to make lowkey racist statements or allow your internalized racism to slide. A lot of what you just said reeks of racism.
All things involving zamii070 aside, you really need to clean up your act and take a long, hard look at your beliefs if you feel like anything you just said is justified.
Also, I still stand by my stance about zamii070.
my ranting for the night is done, so if anyone else wants to have a go at me, there’s no point because i’m logging off. chances are i won’t be back on this blog for another week or two lmao. adios !!
karla-chan-art:
probloumatics:
honestly i’m just pissed that faking suicide is getting zamii070 out of being held responsible for her artwork that completely demolishes the progressive and inclusive work done on steven universe.
bullying and harassment is clearly an issue on tumblr and on the internet in general, i get that, but don’t think for one second that people won’t fake suicide or some sort of other awful event to get out of trouble and to not have to pay for their actions.
You sick piece of shit. You seriously need to take a look at your life, and really think about your priorities. What the fuck is actually wrong in your head that you could be so heartless?
Right now you should be horrified by your actions, not trying to justify them. Even if this was “fake” it is shockingly horrific that she was bullied to the degree that she thought a fake suicide was the only way to get pitch folked mobbed bullying to stop. Since that is what happened to her…
There is a reason so many people are angry about this situation, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out a group of people ganging up on one girl for FANART is wrong. She was horribly bullied in the name of so called justice. Bullying is not okay. I sincerely hope the police get involved over this so those that caused this mess face real justice. They will be able to get IP addresses and find out the truth and take action.
That is ignoring the fact this could be very much real, and an actual persons blood could have been on your hands for the sake of a cartoon show. Think about that. Think hard about that.
Also much later on she drew Rose is to be more show accurate any way? I looked at the situation and came to the conclusion that people just wanted to hate in her for any petty little thing they could. Do you really think that is appropriate in the name of being progressive and inclusive?? Like really?? Even the creators of the show have spoken out against this.
People seriously went too far with Zamii and that is why this has caused such a huge ripple. You where wrong. You should be disgusted with yourself. If you want to educate someone on a social issue you talk to them about it. Mindless hate is NOT going to get anyone to listen. Since we all know the Internet can be a sea of hate, filled with nasty trolls who aim to try and hurt people. That is what you look like, not someone who cares about actual social issues.
In being hateful you are just turning people away from your cause. If you honestly cared about the issues you claim to care so much about you would take the time to engage with people and educate them. Not be nasty abusive bullies thinking your own actions should go without criticism, because you have got it into your sick twisted little minds that you are right. Not matter what you do. You are the worst kind of bully.
At least trolls know what they are doing is wrong.
So fuck you!
Thank you for the rant that was unnecessarily long and completely swerved over the fact that I’m not encouraging the hate she is getting, but instead calling out the fact that no one should get away with faking suicide.
As someone who has been bullied their entire life and tried to commit suicide once before, and even had a cousin who committed suicide, this topic also affects me and hits home. This isn’t mindless hate I’m spewing and I never once sent the girl any hate either; I’m just calling out her problematic behavior and how this is unacceptable, no matter how you spin it.
So in all honesty? Thanks for wasting my time with your drawn-out spiel and please go find someone else to rant to because I really don’t care about anything you have to say. Adios.
midgardianweirdo:
probloumatics:
Oh gee, you sure got me with that jab about my 1D icon – I guess liking a boyband invalidates all my opinions and makes me some childish fangirl who doesn’t have a say in anything !!
Get real, man. You trying to belittle me by saying I live with my mom (which yes, as a full-time college student who has very little time for a job, I do) or by telling me I should “get help” from a psychologist does nothing to prove your point or invalidate mine.
ANYWAYS, just because it’s a cartoon doesn’t mean it shouldnt be taken seriously. And this isn’t about me “getting upset” over one piece of artwork. This is me calling out someone who can’t handle constructive criticism (much like yourself) and who tried to fake suicide in order to get out of the consequences that came from their actions.
Also, don’t try to invalidate my opinions as a chubby person just because you were diagnosed as an obese child. You feel one way, I feel another, but you have no right to tell me what I can or cannot be upset over. If I’m angry about a plus-sized character being reduced to a twig, then I sure as hell have the right to do that. So please go away and keep your thoughts to yourself. Thanks !!
Oh, to have the right to be a frustrated ignorant, you sure as hell do: the internet has no limits to imbecility as we all know it, dear “Tumblr user” then.
She did not fake her suicide attempt.
And your reply made me laugh.
You do realize angry fans created over FORTY hate blogs to harass her, right? She’s been bullied for years. It was a ticking time bomb. I wonder what would be your reaction if over two thousands people were sending you hate messages asking for your death.
If it was constructive criticism, I’d agree with you, but it was not. It was mass bullying, and anyone who has a part of responsibility in this situation should look at themselves in the mirror and realize that they’ve been throwing shit and almost killed someone because of a goddamn, bloody cartoon meant for children.
A fanart isn’t going to make little girls cry.
And if you’re so frustrated about your size, dear chubby Tumblr user, do something about it or embrace it.
I am not going to keep my thoughts or myself, you can trust me on this <3
Why are you calling me “dear Tumblr user” when my name is literally on my blog and you can clearly see my url? I know it’s an attempt to sound witty and intelligent, part of the “holier than thou” shtick you got going on, but it’s really not coming off as that.
And yeah, I’m pretty sure she did. I have never seen faker tears and worse acting than I did in her videos. It is blatantly obvious that she did this for attention.
I understand that there’s no excuse for people bullying and harassing her, but this isn’t about that. This is about her faking suicide to make her problems go away. And honestly? I could get thousands of death threats each day and not give two shits. Maybe it’s because I have thicker skin, but I’d make pretty good use of that block button.
Cartoons aren’t made just for children anymore, friend -- hate to break that to you. Older audiences are the main supporters/backers of these shows so it’s no surprise that we have a say in all this and have a major influence in the fandom. Get over it, move on, and accept the facts.
Also, I never said I was frustrated about my size? I’m very comfortable in my own skin and love every single pound I have, but I can still get upset when there isn’t representation for big girls or get happy when there is. If someone is diminishing the body diversity in a show, I have a right to complain, so shut up and stop whining about what I have to say. It’s annoying as hell.
Another thing you fail to realize is that I don’t care about what you have to say. I couldn’t care less about anything you’re typing out and you’re basically yelling at a brick wall. What you say changes nothing about how I feel, so after this post, I’m probably going to block and ignore you. Have fun screaming into oblivion where no one is paying attention to you !!
i can tell you want to do the right thing and i respect your dedication to representation, but what you have to realize is that this girl just. came back from a suicide attempt. she wasn't educated, she was harassed, her pet died, she needs space. and we as a community need to step back from the level of hostility that we're so willing to unleash. i was seeing people just straight up tearing down her art, not even addressing shit. please pull out your sympathy and acknowledge that this was wrong
i don’t think people should have tore apart her art, because her artwork is actually pretty good. i don’t think she should be bullied and harassed to the point of committing suicide or contemplating it. i think people should address her in a polite, yet constructive manner when addressing her problematic behavior.
however, i still stand by my opinion that she faked the whole thing. i genuinely think (know, actually) that this was all some big stunt meant to get people off her back and to get people to feel sorry for her. her artistic style and talent means absolutely nothing to be if the person behind the art is willing to fake suicide, which is something i take very seriously.
so while i don’t agree with those who aggressively hound her down and tear her a new one, i don’t disagree with those who are calling her out on the fact she’s probably faking all this. my sympathy only extends so far, especially when so many people are making excuses for her and making the situation that much worse.
midgardianweirdo:
probloumatics:
stop making excuses for people who make chubby characters skinny in their fanart.
stop making excuses for people who try to ignore or take away the representation so many people (INCLUDING CHILDREN) have yearned for on tv shows or in animation.
stop making excuses in general if you are not a chubby person and therefore do not experience the underrepresentation we have to go through our entire lives.
STOP. IT.
I have been diagnosed as obese as a child. Yet I do not play the butthurt role in this huge drama you’re creating.
This is everything but excuses.
Stop taking a cartoon too seriously and get a hold of your fucking life. If you’re not able to take a fan art, then I don’t want to see you in ten years, struggling in this big thing that normal people would call LIFE.If an ARTWORK makes you feel sad, angry or frustrated, dear Tumblr person with a One Direction icon, maybe you should consult someone with a psychology degree, or better, your mom. since I can guess you’re still living with her.
You, more than anyone else here, need help.
STOP.
Oh gee, you sure got me with that jab about my 1D icon -- I guess liking a boyband invalidates all my opinions and makes me some childish fangirl who doesn’t have a say in anything !!
Get real, man. You trying to belittle me by saying I live with my mom (which yes, as a full-time college student who has very little time for a job, I do) or by telling me I should “get help” from a psychologist does nothing to prove your point or invalidate mine.
ANYWAYS, just because it’s a cartoon doesn’t mean it shouldnt be taken seriously. And this isn’t about me “getting upset” over one piece of artwork. This is me calling out someone who can’t handle constructive criticism (much like yourself) and who tried to fake suicide in order to get out of the consequences that came from their actions.
Also, don’t try to invalidate my opinions as a chubby person just because you were diagnosed as an obese child. You feel one way, I feel another, but you have no right to tell me what I can or cannot be upset over. If I’m angry about a plus-sized character being reduced to a twig, then I sure as hell have the right to do that. So please go away and keep your thoughts to yourself. Thanks !!
You're part of the reason why tumblr has become shit. Your "social justice" doesn't mean shit, like at all. You need to back off, you're acting like a child. You are 19 years old???? And you're harassing a kid over a drawing. Do you understand how pathetic you look like at all? You're an adult, put your big girl pants on and deal with it. Some one isn't anatomy correct? That's too bad, suck it up, shut up and deal with it, or help them out?? Be a decent human being for once.
I’m not actually harassing her, tho ?? If I wanted to harass her, I’d message her myself, but I’m addressing the SU fandom as a whole because they apparently don’t seem to know when they’ve been duped.
And congrats on throwing my age out, which has zero relevance to this discussion or to the point I’m trying to make. Me being an adult means I can tell when something fishy is going on and when something is legitimate, and right now, something’s seriously fishy with this girl’s story. Sorry for not sitting back and staying quiet about it while others are bullied into silence.
Also, you literally know nothing about me and cannot determine whether or not I’m a decent human being most of the time. I’d like to think I am, but when I see someone obviously faking suicide for sympathy, I’m not going to just let it happen, especially since suicide/depression is something I personally go through and have seen many people go through. So please, sit down and shut up before you come attacking me. Thanks !!
this Zamii person apparently posted an update video a few hours ago here watch?v=Dt7kE3MuMOs on youtube if you care to watch it and post about what you think?
i watched the first five minutes but stopped when she started fake crying over her cat. she still sounds extremely fake to me and looks like she is trying to force herself to get out any tears she can.
stop making excuses for people who make chubby characters skinny in their fanart.
stop making excuses for people who try to ignore or take away the representation so many people (INCLUDING CHILDREN) have yearned for on tv shows or in animation.
stop making excuses in general if you are not a chubby person and therefore do not experience the underrepresentation we have to go through our entire lives.
STOP. IT.
honestly i’m just pissed that faking suicide is getting zamii070 out of being held responsible for her artwork that completely demolishes the progressive and inclusive work done on steven universe.
bullying and harassment is clearly an issue on tumblr and on the internet in general, i get that, but don’t think for one second that people won’t fake suicide or some sort of other awful event to get out of trouble and to not have to pay for their actions.
considering i’ve seen my fair share of 1D fans who fake suicide to get attention/sympathy from the band, anyone associated with the band, or the fandom in general, i think this zamii070 person (from the Steven Universe fandom) is completely and totally faking this suicide story.
first thing’s first, in her video after her “suicide attempt,” she’s wearing what appears to be nurse’s scrubs, not an actual hospital gown. she’s also up against a wall and not in a hospital bed like she should be. on top of that, when she’s attempting to cry, you can clearly tell she’s faking it, especially since no tears are coming out of her eyes -- at all.
bullying is a serious issue, don’t get me wrong. I’ve been bullied just about my entire life and not only thought about committing suicide numerous times, but also tried to overdose once as well. i know how awful bullying makes you feel, but did any of y’all who’re kissing her ass ever once consider that maybe -- just maybe -- she did this to get everyone off her back? if what i’ve read is correct and she’s been criticized for her portrayal of the gems in her artwork, did y’all ever think that maybe she’d pull some outlandish trick to get everyone to feel sorry for her?
well, this is her golden ticket out of the hole she’s dug herself within the SU fandom. she is literally convincing all of you to believe her story and you’re all falling for it. it sucks that you’re trying to silence the voices of those who have caught onto the hoax as well, but alas, i will not be silenced. actually, i’m pretty upset that someone feels the need to fake suicide to make their problems go away.
I’m sorry that you’ve been bullied, zamii070. it truly does suck. however, pretending to commit suicide and guilt-tripping hundreds (if not thousands) of people into believing your story is pretty fucked up and i’m not about to buy into it. i’ve seen this happen too many times to fall for another trick -- i’ve seen people fake suicides, fake deaths, and even fake seizures just to get their idols to notice them or to get people to feel sorry for them, so i’m no stranger to this sort of thing.
and honestly? it’s truly disgusting that someone would feel the need to fake suicide in order to garner some sort of sympathetic reaction from a fandom who called them out for their problematic behavior.
people are allowed to have their own feelings but I feel like this is a double standard. If this had been Louis or Harry we would have said they forced them to say it and that the tweet wasn't from Liam...I think sometimes Liam is an easy target and we forget that he is under the same mgmt and doesn't always have control over what words are attributed to him, including on his Twitter. I mean he got the "daddy direction" title very early on cuz u could tell his role was to force the narrative
I get what you’re saying- and if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to be wrong. I don’t WANT to believe Liam is a twat, and I will readily admit that part of the reason it’s so easy for me is that I’ve never been that invested in him.
The difference between @Liam and @Louis for me is just the context. When @Louis tweeted his bullshit tweets, he followed with loads of closet knocking. Whereas @Liam tends to follow up his problematic comments with additional belligerent and exasperating tweets.
I personally witnessed Liam’s insensitive comments in Columbus so it’s not a huge leap to think maybe that’s how he really thinks about these types of issues. His Twitter reaction that night just made everything worse, and it’s hard for me to believe that was all management sanctioned or planned.
Also, nothing @Louis has done has ever been on the scale of a 12-page article with so much anti-Larry and/or general anti-LGBTQ+ content. If @Louis did an “interview” like the Attitude one, I’d have to question that as well.
Simply put, the shoe fits for Liam a lot better than it does for Louis. HAVING SAID THAT, I hope I’m wrong. It’s simply my observations, that’s all.