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Iāve been gnomed, and rickrolled all in one place in this, the year of our lord, 2020.
I do have to say that the concept of cunherp was a sort of diamond in the rough. But instead of, yāknow, cutting and polishing the diamond, whoever was running it just covered in in dirt instead.
A place to vent anonymously is always good, especially considering how spicy the tag can get. Sometimes attaching your username to a complaint, no matter how valid, can be an invitation for some shittery from the more... passionate folks around here.
I must say that Iām half-tempted to start something up myself, of course with far more moderation, and far less tag-flooding. No promises yet, just something I think is worth considering.
Oh, I haven't checked the tag in a few days, let's see what going-
Uh... yikes.
I think something ought to be clarified regarding this whole hullabaloo, and even Iām guilty of not wording things in the most clear way for this specific point.
The FBI isnāt investigating Cherp. The FBI is (was?) investigating an internet user, who I would assume theyād already been investigating for Crimes outside of Cherp. Itās more than likely that while hacking the internet (thatās how it works, right?) of the user in question, they saw that they used Cherp, and it just so happened that the user had some gnarly shit on Cherp.
Of course, the specific details are all speculation, but based on what Iāve read, Cherp is fine, and the FBI was interested in a specific user.
Also, as an addendum to my last post based on some talking there, I would like to say that yes, some Big Criminals exchange discords, but that does not make everyone who exchanges discords a Big Criminal.
I gotta say, itās pretty fucking bizarre to me that people are implying that wanting to share Discord information is a gateway (or worse, equal) to Actual Fucking Crimes that the FBI would be investigating.Ā
Oh yes, the investigation and subsequent downtime is clearly the fault of the people not wanting their only connection to be a website with tenuous uptime, and certainly NOT the fucko(s) doing Big Crimes.
I mean, I donāt even really care about the whole discord thing. I donāt have a discord account anymore, and even if I did I would have no desire to share it. Why give my partners another platform that I just end up ghosting them on for long periods of time?
To offer a bit of positivity in this trying time...
I have to say that Iām personally quite pleased with the clear and concise directory tagging guidelines that are on the cherp tumblr page. They even managed to clearly define the incredibly vauge āFantasy Morphologyā tag, which is neat.
That said, could we get them on the actual site? Or, at the very least, some links to the posts on the directory page, like on old cherp?
Hereās a hot and controversial take for you guys.Ā
If you tell rulebreakers how to more effectively break your rules, nobody is going to take you or your rules seriously.
Regardless of how you feel about the tag, the issue is that itās going to be used in any number of forms unless itās given a concrete, and unavoidable place where it always is. Itās pretty clear that this whole thing is purely for an ease of blocking it. Itās an inelegant solution to the problem, but once the change is implemented, itāll have a 100% block rate as opposed to having to individually block each iteration of the tag.
Yāknow, Iāve been thinking. The smartest thing Mystic ever did was just not interact with the community.
I know yāall are trying your best, but I donāt think Iāve seen a single conversation that involves a person officially associated with the website go well in this tag. This isnāt even like a āugh whereās that PR training?ā kind of thing, but it seems like nobody in this situation is capable of even kind of acting like an adult so maybe we should all just shut the fuck up?
The people that will disagree will always disagree, and the people who will defend will always defend. Nobody is budging, so all this does is breed more toxicity in an already toxic place.
I mean, I have some partners that straight up wonāt reply unless I have the chat open, I havenāt the faintest fucking idea of why that is, but thatās just how they operate I guess. One of those chats went from very active to silent once the live updates stopped, but I wasnāt super attached to it anyways so whatever.
Honestly I do think that live updates would be ideal, but I certainly wonāt shed any tears over it getting cut if itās just easier. Refreshing and scrolling down the page really isnāt that much of a bother to me personally.
Obviously having a system where there was an explanation attached to the removed prompt would be ideal, but like, the rules arenāt that complicated at all? Iāve had a directory post removed before, and it took me like 5 seconds of looking at the tagging guidelines (that are linked on the directory landing page) to realize where I fucked up.
It should also be said that the system for getting said posts back up after youāve fixed them is not great either, but thatās my stance on anything that involves the discord so my opinion doesnāt mean much on that one.
Hey yāall, itās ya ethereal being of nondescript gender here to throw in their (probably unwanted) two cents after a brief little internet hiatus.
So to start off, yes Iām a Known Shithead when it comes to a lot of things regarding the site, specifically a certain rule that will go unnamed because I promised Iād stop writing essays about it. That much is known and has been established thoroughly, but I hope it wonāt undercut my main point.
Basically, as has been said numerous times, these folks are just people. Thereās no reason to get all up in arms because you have to refresh a page or something, thatās just straight up dumb.
But thatās been said before, and I promised MY two cents. I think that the thing that hurts the staff the most is the fact that thereās even a staff. It fucking sucks to say, because more people is good for the site, but more people also heightens peopleās expectations. I mean, if Mystic could do one Cherubplay alone, the Cherp staff should be able to do THREE (i dunno how many people are on this thing honestly, i do my best to not look in the tag these days and you know iām not in the discord) Cherubplays, right? Obviously not, only an idiot would think that. Regardless, people expect more from three people doing this for the first time (again, an assumption, i havenāt seen any other sites mentioned) than from one person that had been doing it for five solid years and thatās just not right.
Maybe some of you donāt remember what 2014 Cherubplay was like. We didnāt have tick boxes, if we wanted to look at NSFW AND SFW, we had to do it one at a time. Prompt page? What prompt page? Fucking write out or copy/paste your prompt every time you want to post a new one, do it you animal. The directory was just a twinkle in Mysticās eye in those days. We didnāt have directory blacklist issues, we didnāt have a directory! We saw something we didnāt like? We looked away and bitched about it in the tag. You want to RP another fandom? Good fuckinā luck dude, this is a Homestuck RP site and will be forever. I had to carry my roommate Jade prompt uphill both ways in the fucking snow. By which I mean I had to have an off-site prompt sheet, which was moderately cumbersome at worst.
My point is, if you want to see what this thing can be, you have to let it grow and be patient. Cherubplay wasnāt built in a day, and Cherp wonāt be either. I didnāt wait for Cherubplay because I was passionate about the site, I just liked having a place to RP my Homestuck bullshit. I am gonna wait for Cherp though, I want to see what a site made by people who learned from Cherubplay can be. Yes, I may harp on stupid bullshit way too much, but I guess thatās just my stupid way of saying that I care about this website and I want to see it be the best it can be.
And if youāre not interested in that, then maybe you should save your breath and bounce now instead of waiting for the final straw.
Okay. Apparently I havenāt made my point obvious enough. Thatās what I get for truncating, I suppose.
My beef with 14a isnāt even so much that it can be used by any person to remove the anonymity of another user. Yeah, thatās a shitty side effect for sure.
Itās more that it is a rule that only comes into effect when some random asshole decides it does.
I post things in the directory pretty regularly. Iād say maybe once a week, and I rarely repost. At this very moment in time, there is nothing requiring me to put a unique blacklist tag on any of my posts, let alone all of them. I am not in violation of any rules when I post these things, assuming I tagged them correctly.
Then, some random asshole decides that they donāt like my posts, and they connect and request I make a blacklist tag. In this hypothetical situation, I decide not to, because Iām a stalwart believer in rule 14, which clearly states that āminimoddingā is a no-no. And just like that, I am now in violation of a rule. A rule that doesnāt exist, mind you. Iām looking at the rule list on the official Cherp tumblr page right now, and I donāt see any rule declaring that I have to make a blacklist tag, and yet I could receive a ban for not doing it. All because some random asshole who, I should continue to stress, isnāt a mod, theyāre just another user.
The inconsistency is what gets me the most. Rule 14 says āHey, donāt enforce rules, thatās our job.ā and the rule immediately after says āExcept this one, I guess.ā
Even ignoring the fact that this is a user-enforced rule on a site with a rule against users enforcing rules, thereās another glaring issue that I didnāt even think about until I read your post.
Plainly put, thereās no way you can enforce the intent of this rule, so thereās no reason bringing up the intent. How can you quantify what a āpointlessā blocktag is? Thereās no objective way to say what is or isnāt a valid request when youāre dealing with people, and thatās what makes this rule so awful. Iām sure there are people using it as intended, or at least Iād hope so, but because there is no fool-proof way of distinguishing them from the people abusing the rule, having it could hurt more than it could help.
Personally, I donāt care about whatever the donation perks are, and therefore donāt have any input to give on the matter, but I have to say that āIf you have anything to say about this Important Thing, please jump head-first into this trash fire to be heard.ā is a bad model.
Iāve been in the Discord, I was there for like, 10 minutes before I fucking bounced because of toxic cloud that was looming over that place. Maybe itās changed, somehow I doubt it, but even if it has, I have 0 interest in going back. If youāre exclusively taking input from Discord, then why even bother posting in the tag? Why bother having a tumblr page at all?
Also while Iām here, have they said literally anything about 14a? I mean, weāve established that they donāt look to the tag for input, but sometimes you just need to scream into the void, yāknow?
Okay yes, I did a bad job making my point.
ā14a. You can, however, connect to peopleās prompts to request they make a blacklist tag. If someone requests you make a blacklist tag and you do not, they are well within their rights to report you. Punishment: Tier 2ā³
Basically, I'm not taking issue with the bulk of the rule. I think that allowing people to request that someone makes a blacklist tag isnāt bad in any sense. It's the addition of the line "If someone requests you make a blacklist tag and you do not, they are well within their rights to report you." with the attached punishment (presumably for not making a blacklist tag) being a 1 day ban.Ā
THAT is my issue. Having a rule that only exists when people decide it does is pointless, and it completely negates the whole of rule 14 by allowing an average user to not only āminimodā as itās been dubbed, but to do so fully in accordance with the rules.
Just as an example, keeping completely in the spirit of this rule, I could go though the whole directory and request that every single poster make a blacklist tag for their prompt, and, again, in the spirit of the rule, anyone who didnāt would get a 1 day ban. I, someone who isnāt associated with the site as anything but a user, could just decide that everyone who posts in the directory isnāt allowed full anonymity anymore, and anyone who didnāt comply with my rule-enforcing would get a 24 hour ban, as stated in the rules.
Obviously things wouldnāt go like that because this site is run by human beings with common sense, but if the rules are followed to the letter, it would, and frankly thatās not very rock and roll.
Everyoneās talking about the beta and Iām still here waiting for clarification on exactly what the fuck rule 14a is even for.
Call me stupid or whatever, but I donāt see the point in implementing a rule that you know is (largely) unenforceable? The whole point of rules is that they, yāknow, can be enforced. Donāt get me wrong, I do understand why youād think of this rule. I mean, nobody uses Facebook, Twitter, or Tumblr even, because of the lack of anti-screenshotting rules. It just drives users off in droves, knowing that their post could be screenshotted and posted elsewhere at any time with no justice for them.
Also, on the subject of weird rules, I was re-reading the list and this one stuck out to me
ā14a. You can, however, connect to peopleās prompts to request they make a blacklist tag. If someone requests you make a blacklist tag and you do not, they are well within their rights to report you. ā
Report you for what? My understanding of the report function is that it is for people who break the rules, and there isnāt (and shouldnāt be, because of that anonymity thing everyone is so fond of) a rule requiring a specific and unique blacklist tag for anything. So all that addendum does is add pointless reports to the pile, assuming there isnāt some hidden, anonymity-destroying rule we donāt know about yet.
Anyone care to clarify here? Yāall know Iām more than willing to admit that Iām the dumb one but this just doesnāt add up to me.