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RICKY BOWEN + being compared to famous, curly-haired white boys
ENJOY THE SHOW WE HAVE OR WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A SHOW ANYMORE. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joshua Basset as Ricky Bowen
I don’t know what this is but it makes me feel something
So this has a ton of opinions which I usually stray away from but i really let all my opinions out here. Also there is definitely fact mistakes, probably name mistakes and some incorrect singing terms in here, I wrote this at 2 A.M. with a limited knowledge of theater I’m just trying to get a point across.
Why s2 of hsm the series should have been newsies instead of beauty and the beast:
They say straight up in the show “we need a real Alan Menkhen musical” and they pick beauty and the beast instead of newsies, a literal Broadway stage production???
At first I assumed it was because the cast was primarily male, but that isn’t even a reasonable argument. 1)as shown by s1 when a boy played sharpay, gender doesn’t matter when being considered for a role. 2), a cast with multiple male leads would give the gay men in the show a chance to shine, instead of shoving them to background roles like Chip. Not to mention Carlos is a dancer, and newsies is a musical driven by choreography. 3), since nini moved there are only like 2 lead females anyway, which works for the 2 female roles in newsies.
Casting Wise, the play works SO MUCH better!
Ricky: jack kelley is a much better role for him than the beast for many reasons. First, their personalities are very similar with the mischievous main teen vibe, so the role would be like Troy where Ricky can slip into it easier. Second, it fits him better vocally. It is very clear from listening to Joshua basset sing that he has a relatively high vocal range, and singing low notes or in a deep voice doesn’t come as naturally to him. Jeremy Jordan has a similar vocal range, where he stays in higher octaves and more rarely uses a deep, monotone voice (at least never to the beast’s extent). Ricky would sound perfect singing in Jack’s vocal range. The beast, however, sings almost exclusively in an extremely deep, monotone voice that Joshua cannot easily perform.
Ashlyn: not only does she look quite similar to Katherine, but they have similar personalities as well. Also, katherine’s high and bubbly singing voice would sound lovely with Ash’s, which is also high and bubbly but often softer. This would allow her to push herself to sing louder and more confidently. And she still gets to play a smart bookworm lead female role.
Kourtney: she was born to play miss medda larken. Mrs. Potts’ debut song “beauty and the beast” is a soft romance ballad, which does not match kourt’s stadium reach, strong, powerful voice. “That’s rich” not only shows off her vocals better, but matches her personality and voice much better with the grit and power behind it. Also, Mrs Potts as a character is the soft, motherly type. Miss medda is a rambunctious, empowered, “I got men if I want em but I don’t need em” kinda woman. Which role better fits the girl power, loud, activist, personal cheer squad type person that Kourtney is?
Carlos and Sebastian: not only would this stop shoving the gays and only interesting men other than Ricky to background roles (sorry big red), but it would show off their talents. Seb would make a wonderful crutchy, with his innocent nature and likeness to the character. It would also give him a chance to flex his vocals and sing a duet with Ricky in Santa Fe, further developing the friendships in the show. Carlos could play really any of the main boys, I mostly think he would kill in this due to his dance and choreography skills, which newsies really emphasizes.
Big red: PLEASE this boy would be perfect as Ben Cook’s role (can’t remember the newsie’s name). They’re both the kinda dumb but endearing friend type, and he leads “king of New York”, a song with a killer tap dancing break, which is the whole reason big red wanted to try out! His chemistry with Ricky as crutchy would make that a fine role for him too, but since Sebastian has stronger vocals I think it’s better for him to take a more prominent role while big red relies on his dancing skills over singing.
Gina: though there’s no more lead girl roles, I think she would kill it as mr. Pulitzer. They could add some spice to the character through her insane dance skills, and she would play a great “cunning yet intelligent buisinesswoman” type. This dude also gets 2 or 3 songs, and honestly I don’t remember who she plays in Beauty and the beast so idk.
EJ: I admit Gaston is a perfect role for him and I can’t fit him into newsies well. He would play a good spot conlin, though it is a significantly smaller role. No one really cares about ej though so small loss.
Plot valuability:
doing newsies makes literally way more sense. Firstly, they are kinda planning entering this show last-minute compared to the competition, so to pick a show already written and choreographed for stage production would really save time. (Even though it would still need work to be condensed for a high school production). Second, miss Jen is so determined to stand out from the crowd and win the contest so she picks... beauty and the beast? One of the most popular Disney movies (and honestly with one of Alan’s weaker soundtracks compared to tangled, Aladdin, and the little mermaid imo). Having them do newsies, especially when switching up gender roles like casting Gina as Pulitzer, would actually make them stand apart from the dozens of schools performing Disney movies. It would also give a significantly more impressive vocal and dance performance, since the songs were written for Broadway singers rather than actors. The set is also more cheap and condensed, while still looking professional, which would help with their “we’re too poor and late to afford a straight-up aquarium so let’s do the most with what we’ve got.” Putting the characters in these roles would also not alter their development or main story plots much, besides strengthening certain friendships and pushing aside less popular characters (ej). It would also give more rep for the gays as well as switching up gender roles. Imagine, the gay guys get actual things to do in the show and aren’t defined by the sole plot of “my boyfriend rich” relationship drama! (I love these two but I am a tired ace). Also jerjor performs in both this and tangled the series, so it’s a double whammy for Alan menkhen representation.
Marketability: I know the musical has to be widely known and appealing to viewers. People watched s1 because they love hsm. People also love beauty and the beast, so viewership may raise with fans of the movie. Newsies doesn’t die here, though. It is a very widely popular play among theatre people, and existed first as a movie musical so it isn’t exclusive to theater kids. Also, fans of Newsies are generally between their tweens and early twenties, the exact age demographic for the show. Beauty and the beast is a classic and more widely known, but also doesn’t draw in large numbers of the exact age group you want. Also, the fact that newsies is a little less mainstream only helps the plot point of them choosing it to still have something well known while also standing out from the competition. Doing beauty and the beast is not only an awful choice for casting that limits the actors vocals or is completely out of their range, but it also makes them blend in with the crowd.
Final notes: beauty and the beast was IMO the worst choice for the play this season. Movies like Aladdin and tangled both have very energetic and loud soundtracks that allow these characters to belt their hearts out. Beauty and the beast has a very folksy, quiet, ballad type of track that limits the actors. The only actor that I think sings ballads better than big booming tracks is Nini, who isn’t even in the play this year. Ricky also sings great ballads, which is why ballads that are still slow but also emotional and powerful like “Santa fe” or “something to believe in” (which would sound AMAZING in his and Ashlyn’s voices) fit much better than the deep voice of the beast that he can not comfortably sing in. Also, the beast has very few songs whereas newsies would allow him to belt his heart out in nearly every song with that lovely voice he has. The age range of the newsies cast (that characters are supposed to be 17) fits better with these very teen actors than a movie about old fashioned French young adults. Really newsies was the best musical choice for this season, but I also believe beauty and the beast was the last one they should have chosen.
Feel free to debate me in the comments or point out my mistakes, I’m very open to other points of view
I agree with this post’s main meaning, and since Newsies is my favorite musical i have some thoughts about cast: Jack: I can’t argue with Ricky, i tried making EJ Jack and for many reasons it just wouldn’t work
Davey: Seb, I can’t imagine anyone else doing that riff
Les: Carlos. Its a big enough role for him but leaves him plenty of time for choreography. Plus can you imagine the couple pretending to siblings.
Crutchy: Gina. I can’t really explain it but i just think she would be a good crutchy. (and there are minor romance signs with jack/cruchy that i think rina shippers would like)
Katherine: Also can’t argue with ashlyn. main reason i didn’t make EJ Jack
Medda: Kourtney, you explained it well
Spot: can’t find a better spot(pun intended )for EJ
Race: Ben cooks role Big red for reasons you said above.
That’s all of our main cast since Nini is away.
Bonus :
Mr. Pulitzer: I know I will get some hate for this but I’ve seen productions where teachers play an adult role. In an effort to explore his past and why he doesn’t like theater, mr. mazzaro
I don't believe that teenager is any way qualified to be an assistant manager but okay
I would have agreed with you, but I’ve had some assistant managers that make kourtney look older and more qualified
I understand the disappointment in all of the minorities playing inanimate objects, but look at it this way: all of the people that were screwed over by the cis whites, are playing people who were screwed over by a cis white guy. It’s a reflection of our horrible reality.
The best twist Tim can give us at this point is EJ actually getting into Duke
God u right I literally forgot he was the CAPTAIN OF THE WATER POLO TEAM. Ahhh my dumb himboess brain. EJ would so seek out PDA from Ricky though. Soft behind the locker door kisses yessssss. I need them.
“Nope.”
EJ tilts his head back to thunk against the locker next to Ricky’s. Ricky pointedly ignores him by pretending to shuffle through his locker for a textbook he already knows is in his rucksack.
“Oh, c’mon,” EJ wheedles, shuffling in a little closer to Ricky in the worst attempt at subtlety Ricky’s ever seen in his life. “Just a peck.” Ricky just like, knows EJ’s mentally doing the prayer emoji.
Ricky absolutely does not look at EJ, ‘cause if he does he’ll see his stupidly genuine sea-foam eyes and how his hair’s still a little damp and floppy from his early morning water polo practice and then he’ll be totally fucked.
Instead, Ricky keeps uselessly sifting through his locker, the locker he had zero reason to stop by between classes, the locker EJ always stops by between classes, just in case Ricky’s there, just in case he can see Ricky for even a second, even if his next class is all the way across the other side of the building and he has to charm his way out of being written up for being late.
Ricky stares resignedly into the mess of his open locker.
“Fuck,” Ricky says. “God, okay fine.”
EJ raises an eyebrow, but there’s a smile tugging at the corner of his mouth. “Careful,” EJ says, “I almost felt flattered for a second there,” and then he’s lifting a hand to the top of Ricky’s locker door, caging him in against it and, Ricky realizes with a little surge of affection, blocking him from view.
“You’re so annoying,” Ricky says as EJ leans in, and it comes out a lot softer than he intended.
“Uh huh,” EJ murmurs, just before ducking his head to catch Ricky’s mouth.
Ricky can feel EJ’s smile against his lips and if his stomach does a stupid little flip, well. Whatever. That’s his business.
What if.... here me out... we know EJ isn’t going for a big role, evidence points towards Ricky being beast but Seb or Big Red would make a good beast so Ricky would have to be another role. What if Ricky is Gaston and EJ is Le Fou. I would die for EJ fawnning over Ricky for “Gaston”
I know we all have to choose our hills to die on but mine is. julie and the phantoms is closer to the vibe of high school musical than hsmtmts will ever be
im sorry I cannot do another love triangle this season please
We got at least two or three coming I think
I wonder if we will get work this out from Big Reds pizzeria
I don’t know if its the real like drama, or i’ve changed as a person, or what happened, but I think i may be a RIna shipper now.....