Kevin

Things have more or less calmed down now, so I feel the need to ask: why is anyone still boycotting idv?

Genuinely. I mean no malice in asking. Why?

This controversy started over a false rumor on Weibo that people had been fired and replaced with AI. This is now proven false and also impossible to happen (due to it being illegal to do so in China), so what's the issue now? Nothing in-game has been proven to be made with AI. Artists and voice actors came forward to say that costumes and designs aren't AI-generated, and neither is any official artwork. I don't even understand asking for a statement at this point because what would Joker Studios say? They didn't do anything that isnt industry standard. They also never make statements on matters that dont affect people's money or the status of the game, and they have honestly been careful not to use GenAi on anything people pay for.

I don't mind if folks are anti-ai. Personally, my thoughts on the matter are too nuanced and arent relevant to include in this post. I just think that, if you are 100% anti-ai and make no exceptions, you should find a different game to play. Again, I mean this with zero malice. "NetEase" just isn't going to never use AI again, because that is vague and also isnt possible.

I would like to add on that continuing to speak positively on idv gives them money, as investors look at social media buzz to decide if a product is worth investing in. Boycotting requires complete separation, and if you cant do that, just dont bother cuz it doesn't make a difference to their bottom line.

they have used ai, though im unsure if it replaced artists. They also used ai in a recent promo. And it would be nice to get an actual statement acknowledging the usage of ai, which is what most (me included) are most upset about

I never denied that they used AI in promotional material, and am well aware that that happens. However, I did state that I havent seen proof of AI usage in game, which is what I personally care more about (as it regards people's money).

My point from the post stands. What do you want Joker Studios to say if they make a statement? They're not going to stop using AI. Its genuinely impossible for them to, due to corporate demands, and AI marketing being industry standard. So what's the plan if a statement never happens?

Also, I stated in the post that it's illegal in China for workers to be replaced with AI. This isnt speculative - it never happened.

My last few reposts and replies were poorly worded, so I’d like to use this as a formal way to address my original one. Apologies for that.

Firstly, I was trying to explain the reasons why people have decided to boycott IDV, this wasn’t me trying to pressure anyone into boycotting, I don’t really care if you still decide to play or not.

The first sentence used really bad grammar (apologies again), nor did I deny that they weren’t firing workers, denying that it’s illegal in China to do so, or deny that there’s no proof of AI being used in-game. I was more trying to say that it’s a negative thing that they used AI in the first place for promotional material.

I’m aware that AI is becoming ever increasingly relevant in today’s market, and I’m aware that they’re adapting to that. However, I’m still allowed to be upset about it and refuse to engage with something that promotes it.

The point of a statement would be to actually acknowledge the community, and their distastes and concerns. Netease never denied that they fired workers, denied the usage of AI in any material, or tried to say anything about the controversy. They opted to ignore everything instead, which I personally feel was insulting (even if they didn’t intend to come off as such).

Apart from the AI situation, whitewashing has also been an issue with skins, particularly with Enchantress’s and Forward’s. The furthest Netease went (so far) with fixing that was to darken the skin tones on the character profile icons. And once again, have yet to say anything about the situation. I know that the beauty standards are different in China, and that plays a role in how they design their skins and characters, but those standards (just as many other countries) are rooted in racism, and I’m also allowed to be against them.

I hope this clears a few things, again, this was purely to explain some of the reasons why people are continuing to boycott playing IDV and other games made by Netease.

This person is using whitewashing as a secondary point to ai usage by the way. Don't entertain them, they're racist

Holy jumping to conclusions did you read the post???

The entire conversation was CENTERED on the usage of AI. I was providing multiple explanations as to why people have decided to boycott IDV, AS THEYRE NOT ALL IN RELATION TO THE USAGE OF AI!

this person has more posts on their page about freddy riley and kreacher pierson than patty or will btw

this is not a time to ragebait, go on twitter or tiktok and do that 😭

servais and freacher fan btw

animaljamdaddy

I love them so dearly!!

monthly gansop repost because im a rabid beast

veryslave

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Things have more or less calmed down now, so I feel the need to ask: why is anyone still boycotting idv?

Genuinely. I mean no malice in asking. Why?

This controversy started over a false rumor on Weibo that people had been fired and replaced with AI. This is now proven false and also impossible to happen (due to it being illegal to do so in China), so what's the issue now? Nothing in-game has been proven to be made with AI. Artists and voice actors came forward to say that costumes and designs aren't AI-generated, and neither is any official artwork. I don't even understand asking for a statement at this point because what would Joker Studios say? They didn't do anything that isnt industry standard. They also never make statements on matters that dont affect people's money or the status of the game, and they have honestly been careful not to use GenAi on anything people pay for.

I don't mind if folks are anti-ai. Personally, my thoughts on the matter are too nuanced and arent relevant to include in this post. I just think that, if you are 100% anti-ai and make no exceptions, you should find a different game to play. Again, I mean this with zero malice. "NetEase" just isn't going to never use AI again, because that is vague and also isnt possible.

I would like to add on that continuing to speak positively on idv gives them money, as investors look at social media buzz to decide if a product is worth investing in. Boycotting requires complete separation, and if you cant do that, just dont bother cuz it doesn't make a difference to their bottom line.

they have used ai, though im unsure if it replaced artists. They also used ai in a recent promo. And it would be nice to get an actual statement acknowledging the usage of ai, which is what most (me included) are most upset about

I never denied that they used AI in promotional material, and am well aware that that happens. However, I did state that I havent seen proof of AI usage in game, which is what I personally care more about (as it regards people's money).

My point from the post stands. What do you want Joker Studios to say if they make a statement? They're not going to stop using AI. Its genuinely impossible for them to, due to corporate demands, and AI marketing being industry standard. So what's the plan if a statement never happens?

Also, I stated in the post that it's illegal in China for workers to be replaced with AI. This isnt speculative - it never happened.

My last few reposts and replies were poorly worded, so I’d like to use this as a formal way to address my original one. Apologies for that.

Firstly, I was trying to explain the reasons why people have decided to boycott IDV, this wasn’t me trying to pressure anyone into boycotting, I don’t really care if you still decide to play or not.

The first sentence used really bad grammar (apologies again), nor did I deny that they weren’t firing workers, denying that it’s illegal in China to do so, or deny that there’s no proof of AI being used in-game. I was more trying to say that it’s a negative thing that they used AI in the first place for promotional material.

I’m aware that AI is becoming ever increasingly relevant in today’s market, and I’m aware that they’re adapting to that. However, I’m still allowed to be upset about it and refuse to engage with something that promotes it.

The point of a statement would be to actually acknowledge the community, and their distastes and concerns. Netease never denied that they fired workers, denied the usage of AI in any material, or tried to say anything about the controversy. They opted to ignore everything instead, which I personally feel was insulting (even if they didn’t intend to come off as such).

Apart from the AI situation, whitewashing has also been an issue with skins, particularly with Enchantress’s and Forward’s. The furthest Netease went (so far) with fixing that was to darken the skin tones on the character profile icons. And once again, have yet to say anything about the situation. I know that the beauty standards are different in China, and that plays a role in how they design their skins and characters, but those standards (just as many other countries) are rooted in racism, and I’m also allowed to be against them.

I hope this clears a few things, again, this was purely to explain some of the reasons why people are continuing to boycott playing IDV and other games made by Netease.

This person is using whitewashing as a secondary point to ai usage by the way. Don't entertain them, they're racist

Holy jumping to conclusions did you read the post???

The entire conversation was CENTERED on the usage of AI. I was providing multiple explanations as to why people have decided to boycott IDV, AS THEYRE NOT ALL IN RELATION TO THE USAGE OF AI!

#kev talks #im tired #i did not name myself after kevin ayuso for people to blatantly larp him in my face to push their agenda #kevpatty or no life #also gansop for life #ganji moe af #fuck you

this person has more posts on their page about freddy riley and kreacher pierson than patty or will btw

IDV fans who dont even actually like the brown characters are incredibly funny as they genuinely care more about AI usage then racism to the point they wont even say the word racism. theyll just keep saying the gentrified version of whitewashing (which is an erasure of culture) and instead use it as just a buzzword to say a characters design was altered to be more east asian looking.

before anyone thinks anything, i unfortunately treat Ganji William Patricia and Kevin like the rest of my favorite characters and therefore repost them the same amount as the white folk. very sad. i should segregate them more, you know, to be woke.

Things have more or less calmed down now, so I feel the need to ask: why is anyone still boycotting idv?

Genuinely. I mean no malice in asking. Why?

This controversy started over a false rumor on Weibo that people had been fired and replaced with AI. This is now proven false and also impossible to happen (due to it being illegal to do so in China), so what's the issue now? Nothing in-game has been proven to be made with AI. Artists and voice actors came forward to say that costumes and designs aren't AI-generated, and neither is any official artwork. I don't even understand asking for a statement at this point because what would Joker Studios say? They didn't do anything that isnt industry standard. They also never make statements on matters that dont affect people's money or the status of the game, and they have honestly been careful not to use GenAi on anything people pay for.

I don't mind if folks are anti-ai. Personally, my thoughts on the matter are too nuanced and arent relevant to include in this post. I just think that, if you are 100% anti-ai and make no exceptions, you should find a different game to play. Again, I mean this with zero malice. "NetEase" just isn't going to never use AI again, because that is vague and also isnt possible.

I would like to add on that continuing to speak positively on idv gives them money, as investors look at social media buzz to decide if a product is worth investing in. Boycotting requires complete separation, and if you cant do that, just dont bother cuz it doesn't make a difference to their bottom line.

they have used ai, though im unsure if it replaced artists. They also used ai in a recent promo. And it would be nice to get an actual statement acknowledging the usage of ai, which is what most (me included) are most upset about

I never denied that they used AI in promotional material, and am well aware that that happens. However, I did state that I havent seen proof of AI usage in game, which is what I personally care more about (as it regards people's money).

My point from the post stands. What do you want Joker Studios to say if they make a statement? They're not going to stop using AI. Its genuinely impossible for them to, due to corporate demands, and AI marketing being industry standard. So what's the plan if a statement never happens?

Also, I stated in the post that it's illegal in China for workers to be replaced with AI. This isnt speculative - it never happened.

My last few reposts and replies were poorly worded, so I’d like to use this as a formal way to address my original one. Apologies for that.

Firstly, I was trying to explain the reasons why people have decided to boycott IDV, this wasn’t me trying to pressure anyone into boycotting, I don’t really care if you still decide to play or not.

The first sentence used really bad grammar (apologies again), nor did I deny that they weren’t firing workers, denying that it’s illegal in China to do so, or deny that there’s no proof of AI being used in-game. I was more trying to say that it’s a negative thing that they used AI in the first place for promotional material.

I’m aware that AI is becoming ever increasingly relevant in today’s market, and I’m aware that they’re adapting to that. However, I’m still allowed to be upset about it and refuse to engage with something that promotes it.

The point of a statement would be to actually acknowledge the community, and their distastes and concerns. Netease never denied that they fired workers, denied the usage of AI in any material, or tried to say anything about the controversy. They opted to ignore everything instead, which I personally feel was insulting (even if they didn’t intend to come off as such).

Apart from the AI situation, whitewashing has also been an issue with skins, particularly with Enchantress’s and Forward’s. The furthest Netease went (so far) with fixing that was to darken the skin tones on the character profile icons. And once again, have yet to say anything about the situation. I know that the beauty standards are different in China, and that plays a role in how they design their skins and characters, but those standards (just as many other countries) are rooted in racism, and I’m also allowed to be against them.

I hope this clears a few things, again, this was purely to explain some of the reasons why people are continuing to boycott playing IDV and other games made by Netease.

This person is using whitewashing as a secondary point to ai usage by the way. Don't entertain them, they're racist

nadiimeow

Oublie moi.

Things have more or less calmed down now, so I feel the need to ask: why is anyone still boycotting idv?

Genuinely. I mean no malice in asking. Why?

This controversy started over a false rumor on Weibo that people had been fired and replaced with AI. This is now proven false and also impossible to happen (due to it being illegal to do so in China), so what's the issue now? Nothing in-game has been proven to be made with AI. Artists and voice actors came forward to say that costumes and designs aren't AI-generated, and neither is any official artwork. I don't even understand asking for a statement at this point because what would Joker Studios say? They didn't do anything that isnt industry standard. They also never make statements on matters that dont affect people's money or the status of the game, and they have honestly been careful not to use GenAi on anything people pay for.

I don't mind if folks are anti-ai. Personally, my thoughts on the matter are too nuanced and arent relevant to include in this post. I just think that, if you are 100% anti-ai and make no exceptions, you should find a different game to play. Again, I mean this with zero malice. "NetEase" just isn't going to never use AI again, because that is vague and also isnt possible.

I would like to add on that continuing to speak positively on idv gives them money, as investors look at social media buzz to decide if a product is worth investing in. Boycotting requires complete separation, and if you cant do that, just dont bother cuz it doesn't make a difference to their bottom line.

they have used ai, though im unsure if it replaced artists. They also used ai in a recent promo. And it would be nice to get an actual statement acknowledging the usage of ai, which is what most (me included) are most upset about