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your write up on the mickey-fiona parallels and the elder trio/younger trio parallels made me think about the nuances of ian's place in the elder trio's interpersonal relationships- (taking from dershoimvik's brilliant post about the lip/fiona schisms and ultimate reversal in places) ian being both lip and fiona's stability (fiona with her "you're both my rocks" and lip with ian being his best friend) and their "burden" post-diagnosis (fiona checking his meds constantly and lip's monologue at the financial aid office in s6)
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the major conflicts between ian and the eldest two, I feel like there's a lot to understand on all of their expectations of each other and their characterization that I'm missing
even if ian’s role isn’t as prominent as fiona or lip’s, the elder trio relies on ian! when ian’s out of the equation, fiona and lip don’t have any barrier between them, leading to some real fallouts. lip feels like there’s pressure on him succeeding hinging the family’s well-being on, and fiona feels like lip being uncooperative works against everything she’s been doing to keep the family going/undermines her, and ian…okay so ian is there. there’s so much talk about lip graduating, lip going to college, lip getting out, that it obscures the fact that IAN, TOO is planning on getting out! and he’s closer than lip to it, even! his goal of west point is a high bar to pass, but realistically he is doing really great—he’s kept a steady job at the K&G for years, while achieving through rotc and taking accelerated classes (even if he sucks at math lol). classic middle child syndrome, ian just gets overshadowed…which is why he seeks out external validation. he tells kash about his latest rotc achievements, which kash celebrates with him! he has ned help him with homework! he seeks mickey’s presence when monica rolls back into town! i think ian’s maybe backed himself into a corner within his family where he feels he ‘can’t ask’ for attention from them, even though they all love himmm he’s everyone’s favorite sibling…but this is why ian forms these ‘secret lives’ outside the house, so he can get that attention he’s lacking. fiona&lip are obviously worried about ian’s mental state opening in season5 and that mickey seems to be not taking it seriously, but i also feel like there’s maybe a sense of betrayal happening, too. ian has moved out of the house (!!!) and has a New Family he’s a part of! he’s been such a permanent rock for fiona AND lip, as well as the younger gallaghers, and then he’s gone, and then back for a short time, and then moved out completely, it seems.
ian tries to minimize how much fiona has to worry about him, so he’s not adding more to her already overflowing plate, while being a mediating presence within the house. and when he tries to confide in lip because they are best friends, lip is so judgmental and unsupportive of ian’s choices. he disproves of kash, he disproves of ian wanting to throw his life away on the army, he disproves that ian continues a relationship with mickey and Yes lip has a point with kash/the army and even mickey from his own perspective, but it really doesn’t put ian in a position to continue opening up to him. this is how ian finds real and true respite in mickey…mickey is the first person who really prioritizes ian. i don’t think ian really necessarily wants to be prioritized in his family tbh like when focus is on him he kind of shies away from it..but with mickey he can be as imploring and clingy and open as he wants :3
ian’s diagnosis is really the first time he’s really relegated out of his role in the elder trio: he has to build himself up from the ground. with fiona, i think this is just how she handles things; she checks if ian takes his pills daily, like she makes sure the kids grab their lunch on the way out the door. she’s pragmatic! it’s another thing added to her daily to-do list. we have to remember that although the gallaghers have witnessed monica’s bipolar episodes, they have not witnessed when someone is managing the disorder. fiona has little to no basis on what it’s going to look like for ian to be managing. of course her pragmatism makes ian feel infantilized and micro-managed because ian is not used to having so much attention / care focused solely on him…for someone that’s always handled responsibilities like ian has, this has really stripped him of his autonomy, which obviously frustrates him. in a way, i feel like fiona and lip may look at ian like he’s the ‘lucky one’: that he has confirmation now about how frank/monica has affected him, while fiona&lip are constantly waiting for their axe to fall. fiona wants to better herself to prove that she’s not stagnant in chaos like frank/monica, and lip wants to become a father to prove he’s not a negligent deadbeat like frank. ian, who has always been very goal-oriented, now feels he has his autonomy stripped from him. ian maintaining a sense of autonomy is actually something mickey is really good at fostering for ian Eventually lol. mickey is a control-freak of course so OF COURSE when ian gets out of the hospital mickey’s control-freaking ian’s pills and vitamins and what he can or can’t do while on the meds; but where ian and mickey can tussle and make-up, ian can’t do that with fiona. the resentment just grows…
i feel like ian’s major conflict with fiona is feeling like his autonomy is being compromised—either from not feeling he can confide in her, or that she’s being too overbearing/infringing on his choices. their s8-9 fight is a lot of compounding things, but it boils down to ian not feeling supported. fiona’s encroaching on the work he wants to do with the shelter, and this is coming off of ian losing two of the most important people to him, and feeling like he can’t openly grieve them, even to fiona: mickey and monica. and ian’s major conflicts with lip are the along the same lines: lip is judgmental of mickey and of ian’s choice for his future, s2 fight being the army and s6 being ian seemingly ‘giving up’ on himself and his prospects. these three never really had the opportunity to grow around each other while they were trying to grow up too fast to catch up to their responsibilities…but i feel like none of them can really hold a grudge against the others for too long because they don’t know life without each other. that scene in 706 of ian and lip joining fiona in her room to just shoot the shit and smoke makes me Emo
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I want 2 hear the Mickey/Fiona thoughts
ok so first of all.
secondly, they are mirrors of each otherrrr the same way the milkoviches are like the evil scary not-so-fun house mirror of the gallaghers. mom gone, persistent horrible dad, constantly fighting to survive, and we see what happens because the milkoviches don’t have A Fiona. mickey is actually the closest to a ‘fiona’ within the milkovich family; where fiona became defecto parent because she’s the oldest, mickey is designated the one ‘in charge’ even if he isn’t the eldest by displaying his capability and loyalty to family. THEIR SHARED LOYALTY, and that’s their downfall in a way…they stay so loyal to their life that they have a hard time breaking free of what keeps them down because they feel like they need to maintain a sense of devotion to it! mickey has a fierce loyalty to ‘family’ and we see that who he deems family isn’t necessarily someone who fits the typical definition. ian becomes his family because he becomes important to mickey/someone worth protecting. this is where i might lose some people, but i do believe that mickey was terry’s favorite child. that doesn’t nullify his horrid abuse towards mickey obviously, but terry saw potential in him. why do you think mickey thought he’d be king of the southside…someone promised him that. similarly to frank…fiona was his favorite. terry swallowing (some. a small amount of) his pride to give mickey a backhanded compliment about him being a ‘half-decent son’ measured against franks backhanded thanks to fiona for ‘helping out’ when she finally leaves…things happened on television.
both mickey and fiona shoot down options of ‘betterment’ in favor of familiarity, and although mickey does ‘get out’ when he crosses the border, he is actually more inline with terry than he’s been since prior to season 4—it’s heavily implied mickey uses terry’s cartel contacts/the milkovich connections to orient himself in mexico, and he’s not free because he’s not with ian! he’s fighting to survive, he’s on the run! fiona shoots down jimmy’s offers of getting her out, and routinely self-sabotages even attempts at betterment she does want. they both ‘get out’—fiona choosing herself and her freedom by leaving, and mickey choosing his freedom within ian.
and with ian…..ohhh their simultaneous treatment of ian….412 into s5 i was literally yaying watching them try to wrestle the other out of the role of Ian Carer. they are like when a cat sees itself in the mirror and flips the fuck out except they are both the cat and the mirror. they both want the best for ian and to take care of him to the best of their abilities and fiona has seemingly the best position having experience with monica in the past, but mickey’s complete lack of knowledge gives him an edge because he’ll never play comparison games with ian because he has nothing to compare him to. and i don’t even think they hate each other actually. i don’t think they can ever form a solid opinion of each other because that would mean forming a definitive opinion on the whole of themselves
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I'd love to hear some more of your thoughts on the elder gallagher trio vs younger trio based on canon, the sibling parallels are soo interesting to me, and I'm so swept away by the family connections (the behaviour modeled from their adult influences) you can make across the monica-frankness all their kids display to their moments of 'going fiona', but the ways the 'adult' trio being the primary caretakers manifests in the kiddos... so much to dig into
yes, there’s sooo much here…when it comes to monica, i think it’s imperative to realize that the elder gallaghers had to learn for themselves who their mother is, while the younger kids are told/taught who she is. monica’s been in and out of their lives the whole time, but fiona/lip/ian have the most ‘experience’ with her. my blogger in arms dershoimvik has a really great write-up on monica; i’ll also add my thoughts :3 i think part of why fiona & lip are so frustrated with ian’s continual relationship with monica—to the point in s5 ian tells monica the others don’t know that they are still in contact as much as they are with each other—is that fiona & lip think ian should know better the way they ‘know better’ when it comes to monica. they’ve been burned by her again and again, and can’t understand why ian willingly puts himself back in her orbit; which ian does because he’s put up such a convincing front within his family, he seeks his mother out because he seeks to be seen and understood by somebody. usually, when ian wants this he seeks out mickey, but the contradiction here is that mickey knows ian too well, and although monica can offer specific commiseration mickey can’t (like their shared disorder), she doesn’t and can’t truly know him as a result of her prolonged absence.
within the family unit the gallaghers have created, ian is further on the outskirts—older enough to share responsibility for the house with fiona/lip, but without all the decision-making abilities the two of them frequently butt heads about. fiona & lip make up the defecto ‘mother / father’ roles, but fiona leans more heavily into her role than lip, for obvious reasons. fiona is more frequently having to make the harder decisions and hurt more feelings as their guardian, while lip is more comfortable in a wise elder brother role where he does do his share in caretaking, he is rarely made out to be the ‘bad guy’ towards the kids. debbie/carl/liam do look up to fiona and lip, but i think they (especially debbie/carl) find the most solace in ian, ironically. i say ironically because they ian appears to be a calming, responsible, and fair presence, and although he does possess these traits, he’s also hiding most of his personal life from everyone! lip meddles past what ian does confide in him, but fiona is largely unaware of what ian gets up to. part of ian’s secrecy is his own inclination from his personality and it’s an effect from his circumstances (he’s a middle child who never has anything of his own, so he creates his own life outside of the house/his family); but he almost never asks for help/advice—especially about his relationships. he gets so close to telling fiona about ned, but ultimately backs down until he has to offer some explanation after ned mistakes lip for ian in 304. even though the elder trio tries to put on a united front, ian finds it hard to open up to fiona (either from ian’s usual reservedness or because he wants to lessen the worry from everyone else towards him), and although ian does open up to lip he has made it clear that he does not approve of ian’s continued relationship with mickey—what i find really interesting is that ian continually confides in monica! specifically about mickey! she remembers him as ian’s boyfriend when he brings him up in 511! it makes me wonder how much ian brought him up during their s4 stint, or if he did at all…
even if frank had more of physical presence around the kids than monica did, the younger kids take after fiona/lip/ian more often than frank or monica…and the older kids end up emulating more of frank/monica's behaviors! of course they all have their frank/monica moments, it’s illuminating to see parallels between the older and younger gallaghers…it’s easy to make the lip-liam connection from their shared intelligence, but i notice a lot of ian within liam…industrious, conscientious, ambitious…and liam shares ian’s internal approach to turmoil. remembering when he spends all day by himself trying to figure out where he’s going to live if/when they sell the house :( and lip didn’t tell him he’d move in with him and tami because he thought that was obvious! very similar to ian’s stubbornness to try and figure everything out on his own/not wanting to burden anyone else with his troubles
i do have Serious Thoughts about the comparisons that can be made between fiona & mickey made obvious by my blogging LOL but mickey does share a lot of traits with lip, too! i think ian finds a lot of solace and familiarity within these shared traits of fiona/lip within mickey, especially in the beginning…mickey shares a lot of the familial responsibility that fiona does, and shares the astute hustling qualities lip exhibits. an awesome thing about analyzing a well-and-intentionally written long-running show like this, is there’s sooo many parallels that crop up that offer really great insight into not only characters singularly, but relationships between characters as well! yay tv