The Solaris System

DID system of 12. Pro-Recovery/Anti-Harassment. DID shit

[solaris-system]

Hi, I’m Mackenzie, I’m 24 and I’m the Solaris System. We were Dx’d in 2018. Working on fusion. Hovering around 11 alters rn. I am pro-recovery and anti-harassment.

I'm not as tapped into the syscourse nowadays. My stances are pretty set. If you call yourself endogenic because you think you're multiple people in one body or whatever I don't care. Just take a good long think about why you don't want to call yourself DID/OSDD-1 bc there's a lot of unmitigated ableism in that community. I don't clown with anti-science rhetoric. System is a medical term. Tulpa is a shitty appropriative term and y'all can do better. Generally I just don't care as long as you're not trying to speak over actual people with DID.

Endos can interact as long as y’all aren’t here to clown on my posts or start shit. Good faith questions are welcomed. I’m a bit of a cunt but if you’re polite to me I’ll give you the same decency.

Don’t use typing quirks when you talk to me, I will make fun of you straight up.

#receipts is for anti-DID and anti-science shit endos have to say. #resources is a tag I’m slowly filling with info

[playwolves]

if being gay was still in the DSM you people would argue about how you have to be diagnosed with gay or else you're fakeclaiming

[harmonyfriends]

maaaaan this really puts into perspective that having "dissociative identity disorder" as part of your identity is like having "gender identity disorder" as part of your identity — the latter would be a really self-debasing thing I wouldn't stoop to, so what does it say about me that I can't escape the hold my diagnosis has on me?

[solaris-system]

Because one is a diagnosis of a trauma-based dissociative disorder and the other is not a disorder. DID isn’t an identity, it’s a diagnosis of a cluster of potentially debilitating symptoms. It doesn’t have anything to do with how you present or want to be identified. All it says is that you have a diagnosis that can be difficult to manage <3

[antimisinfo]

So, there's this. This is a video made by Aspenfrosten or The Entourage System on tiktok, this video was made shortly after she removed plural kit from her discord server

First of all let's focus on that first part

""you took away my accomodations""

This is apparently something that some people in her server said after plural kit had been removed, she's mocking them for saying this. Now, are they right for saying this? Technically yes but also no

"Disability accommodation is an umbrella term for a range of accommodation or supported living services that are available to assist people who are living with a disability"

Technically by this definition you may be able to consider plural kit a form of accommodation as it does assist systems by allowing them to represent themselves as alters as well as allowing them to look back and know who sent a message. Though on the other hand you may not consider it accommodation because it isn't needed; systems can use sign offs without plural kit and often don't necessarily "need" it. So it really depends on how you look at it, but I will say that Aspen is wrong for mocking these people nonetheless; whatever their reasons are they clearly think of plural kit as an accommodation and are distressed at its removal. Should they demand it back? No, it's her server she can do what she wants, but do they have a right to be upset? Yes. When someone takes away something that may have been helping you in one way or another you are allowed to feel hurt or distressed, but this does not mean you should harass that person for it back.

"i feel like plural kit is too anti recovery"

I feel like a lot of people say anti recovery without actually understanding what it means.

Anti recovery's definition is "A movement consisting of those who oppose what they perceive as recovery from mental illness and/or neurodivergence." Which most people do know, but the more important part is what they consider to be recovery ;

"Recovery in this context does not mean a cure, it simply means coping/living with your illness/neurotype in a positive way."

Which would mean to be anti recovery you would be against anything that makes coping easier and anything positive, you would be convinced you have to suffer and refuse to make things easier.

By this definition plural kit is not anti recovery as it makes things easier for systems; being able to identify yourselves and being able to tell who said what can be important for multiple reasons and plural kit makes that easier, which is positive and not anti recovery.

Further more she claims it "promotes way too much separation between alters" which might be true but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you are in active healing and moving towards final fusion perhaps that would be an issue but for those striving for functional multiplicity this separation would not cause an issue

"Some individuals reach a point where all personalities have access to shared memories, set boundaries, and have common goals, making it easier to stabilize emotions and maintain healthy behavioral patterns. Individuals with functional multiplicity still experience the following:

At least two distinct personalities with accompanying unique behaviors

Personalities adapt to unite toward a common goal

All personalities prioritize recovery and treatment"

""the problem in MPD is not the intrusion of part selves as such, it is with the degree of amnesia, conflict, self-destruction, and dysfunction in the psyche. The problem is not the multiplicity, it is the degree of pathological dissociation. In MPD the part selves are personified to an abnormal degree. There is a big difference between someone with active classical MPD, and an individual with healthy multiplicity."" ((Though this did come from DR. Collin Ross, who is not a good person I still felt it might be important to add))

"Some systems choose to stop at what the ISST-D calls resolution, or what may also be called functional multiplicity. In this case, systems may retain any number of independently acting alters. The current rates of complete integration and functional multiplicity may be very similar. A 2017 study (Myrick et al.) followed up on 61 therapists about the well-being of specific patients of theirs after 6 years; 12.8% of therapists reported that their patients had terminated therapy due to achieving stable integration, and exactly the same percentage reported that their patients had terminated therapy due to resolution of symptoms without full integration."

Overall the separation between alters is not an issue, more so the amnesia and conflict, which can be solved in therapy, but even so; not everyone has to be actively working towards healing. For systems who are not in therapy / not actively healing there is no need for them to worry about whether they're "promoting too much separation between alters" because there's already separation and it's not getting better. for those who aren't healing it may just be easier or more comfortable to use plural kit and that's okay.

It is not anti recovery to not be healing, that's stupid, everyone heals on their own time; some systems may not have access to therapy and therefore are unable to safely work towards healing (which would involve going through trauma, which should be done with a therapist) and that is not anti recovery.

[ if any mistakes have been made please let us know and we will attempt to correct them ! Also if you wish for us to try do this with any other videos Aspen has made feel free to request it ! ]

[solaris-system]

(As a precursor I mean this as good faith debate)

I actually personally agree with the stance that pluralkit and related can be anti-recovery. If it’s a tool that helps alters express themselves sure cool do what works best for you, but so often what I saw in DID discords was an emphasis on separation—labeling each individual thought and sentence into an alter into strictly determined boxes. That sort of obsession is the anti recovery aspect. Some systems may not be in active recovery, but just as many are.

When you are integrating (not fusing…do we even still need to add that asterisk?) blurring and the breaking down of dissociative walls is part of that. This isn’t universal, but Pluralkit can be a roadblock to a system’s recovery when a system is encouraged to continue keeping their alters all separate from one another, rather than allowing for integration or even fusing that often comes from recovery. Obviously YMMV but systems can get really messy when you’re in later stages of recovery and pluralkit can become a hindrance (source; me and my recovery, other friends I’ve spoken to). I don’t think it’s universally and absolutely anti recovery but it’s important to be able to identify when a tool is helping, and when a tool is hindering.

[solaris-system]

Syscourse is pretty stupid and I don’t care what people who call themselves plural do so long as it doesn’t have to do with us but like. Also holy fucking shit. People without DID did irreparable damage to the DIDOSDD community. It wasn’t one specific group but an overwhelming deluge of negativity and discourse and demands to be included in something they fundamentally rejected…like if you’re plural/endogenic/whatever please understand why someone from the online DID community might be on edge around you. Our community is in fucking shambles. I watched it just slowly rip itself apart.

[syspunk-safe-zone]

"You wouldn't split from that" <- You don't know me, you don't know what my threshold is, you don't know what my support system is, you don't know what my current environment is, you don't know what my past history is, you don't know me.

"I split because I temporarily lost my favourite blanket."

"I split because I temporarily lost my most treasured possession that brought me comfort, safety, and security while in a violent and unstable environment with no support system and where theft and destruction of property were very reoccurring and severe issues."

Both sentences are just as valid. You don't owe anyone context, an explanation, or more information if you don't want to. Triggers, stress, and trauma are all subjective in how they affect people. Everybody handles things differently, everybody has different situations, has different histories, has different experiences.

[osddid-i-do-that]

Things from Before the OSDDID Realization that now make heaps of sense:

Taking personality tests multiple times because even when I answered them completely honest they’d always come out different

Orientation impossible to pin down (simultaneously aroace/pansexual/lesbian/gay trans guy/queer fucking mess)

Same with gender

Conflicting opinions that somehow exist at once (I love weed/I fucking HATE all drugs and don’t want to be anywhere near them)

Frantic desire to run home and change into something totally different out of nowhere because the clothes I loved this morning are suddenly Awful

Keeps changing name every few months

If I do not journal/scrapbook/take photos of EVERY DAILY EXPERIENCE I WILL FORGET and my whole life will be a blank empty space!!!

“That’s not what you said last time I asked …”

Idk sometimes it’s my Favorite Thing and sometimes I couldn’t care less 🤷

I actually handle trauma really well because right after it happens I don’t even remember! 😇

Hate hypothetical questions because I have no clue how I’d react to any given thing until it happens and any answer feels like a lie

There’s def more but y’all should add your own 💖

[solaris-system]

Im not going 2 lie bro every time I see a thing that’s like uwu dni if you dont respect all system origins on some completely unrelated page about like cats or something I instantly teleport back to 2019 and then think about killing myself again

[sysmedsaresexist]

News Flash ⚡

A neurostructural biomarker of dissociative amnesia: a hippocampal study in dissociative identity disorder

Another study provides evidence that emotional neglect in childhood is the biggest indicator of DID.

[solaris-system]

why would you advocate for the deletion of anyones account? do you know how childish that is? block and move on, man. no wonder people hate anti-endos like you.

I don't usually feed the trolls because like, get a life, but this is fucking hysterical to me. I had to actually go back through and read my recent posts to see if I accidentally rb'd anything that said this. AFAIK i definitely have not and never have. Who are you lmfao. i can only assume you meant to send this to someone who actually cares about this shit still?????

[thotslayerdio]

#1 reason why i don't interact with the plural community online: it focuses so strongly on the concept of distinct alters

i get that's what everyone thinks of when someone mentions plurality, but that's not all there is to it. i heard someone call OSDD 1 (what i have) "DID minus one essential criteria", so of course everyone remember 1b (where you have distinct alters without memory gaps). what about 1a... (that's the one where you have memory gaps, but your alters aren't as distinct).

i do have alters, but we have, kind of, a "community identity". some parts are fluid, like the gender. the community gender is nonbinary at its core, but some of us lean a specific way. some of us have different opinions (and of course it always has to be the difficult ones LOL).

i can't always tell when one of us starts or ends. i don't really need to. i know my plurality was caused out of necessity, and i guess it was necessary to separate our minds, but not our selves.

we're all just "me". it's like a rock that's been cut and polished. it has different sides, and each side is a bit different, but it's the same rock. i don't relate to the plural community because i'd rather be recognized as a complete entity that includes my "other me's". other alters in other systems might be complete on there own, but we are not complete without each other.

[solaris-system]

As another very blurry system rest assured you’re not alone. Most days I won’t know “who I am” until I do or say something that gives it away, because for me a cohesive sense of identity still exists. The fragmentation exists more strongly in some ways than others! And that’s something I’ve also struggled with the online DID community. Co-fronting, blurring, and passive influence are all incredibly common experiences with DID, especially as you start therapy and start actively integrating.

[solaris-system]

My DID has been so fucking insane the last few months. It’s been years since I’ve had symptoms this severe, since I’ve split another alter who didn’t integrate or fuse within a week, not since I was in therapy but I lost about a month of time when Vi showed up to take the reigns. And we still almost entirely black each other out when one of us is fronting.

We’re trying so hard to get better communication going but the Starbucks is empty, it’s just us and the occasional protector. Desperately trying to grab each other’s hand like we’re in a dumb movie. Come back to meeeee

[endogenichaven]

My thing with traumagenic/endogenic is I don't like how it's lead to system origin being treated like a binary, especially since endogenic systems can have trauma that can impact their system. I also don't think origin should be the business of strangers and that origin for a system can generally be a very complex thing. I kind of feel like endogenic in particular shouldn't exist because though it just means "non-trauma" which way too broad and not super helpful

Yes, there is definitely more than just "endogenic" and "traumagenic" out there, and things are not always easily placed into those two boxes. The inordinate focus on the binary (and all the discourse) is a partial side effect of having a strict trauma-only model in place in psychology for so long - it causes everyone to overfixate on what would otherwise not have been such a big deal.

[sentimental-androids]

My primary issue with this mindset is the vast amount of confusion being pumped out into the internet, especially now.

Like, putting accusations of agendas and god forbid hate groups aside altogether? People still wildly misinterpret DID/OSDD.

People still attribute normal DID/OSDD "traumagenic" experiences to being endogenic.

People still don't understand that not all alters split from trauma and having "endogenic alters" (at least not ones you split) isn't really a thing. They're not really endogenic, and they don't make you "part endogenic" because they're still a coping mechanism for a trauma based dissociative disorder, even if it's not trauma they're being used to cope with necessarily!

People still try and say you can have DID/OSDD without trauma, that the TOSD is bullshit and that the trauma mention in the DSMV isn't a requirement. (That's been debunked a ton of times.)

Some people have even started to say that OSDD is basically just a flavor of endogenic plurality.

Like...this whole thing to me shouldn't be a blurred line. Endogenic plurality is definitely a wide spectrum of experiences! But it's not DID/OSDD, and the attempted demedicalization of DID/OSDD is super concerning. That was the whole drama with the Empowered Multiples.

Trying to convince traumatized people that they're not, or even worse, that being traumatized was somehow bad or wrong, was exactly what the Empowered Multiples movement was doing, and that rhetoric is STILL being spread regardless of intention to this day.

The bottom line is, no, system origin isn't necessarily a "binary", but endogenics shouldn't be compared to or grouped in with CDD systems and vise versa. We aren't even really necessarily plural in the same ways- it means something vastly different to CDD systems from a scientific standpoint.

(While I acknowledge endogenic systems having trauma that impacts their plurality, that in my mind would be more similar to PTSD/C-PTSD impacting a neurodiversity (this partly especially because a LOT of endogenics consider their plurality to be a neurodiversity).)

Like, trauma affects just about everything.. worsens a lot of symptoms for just about every mental health issue out there.

I'm not endogenic. But when someone asks me what it means to be endogenic I always say "it's someone who's system formed for reasons other than trauma". Trauma can still be present, and it can have, well, trauma symptoms, and that can absolutely impact anybody's mental state, but that doesn't really suddenly make the origins line up with DID/OSDD.

DID/OSDD does have a pretty set way that it forms, an age range it forms in, and it presents very differently for everyone but there ARE a few key requirements.

All this in mind, I do wish other plural experiences were taken into more consideration, I feel like that'd help a lot. We are pretty well versed in trauma at this point in time. Of course there's always more to learn, but it would make sense to explore other forms of neurodiversity that can sometimes SEEM similar (at least from an outside perspective.)

[system-of-a-feather]

Hey why did you split as a part? Wrong answers only.

[adoraboy-deactivated20250406]

because needed token straight

[system-of-a-feather]

wtf are you doing on tumblr

[schrodingerscollective]

[turing-tested]

could you post a list all your alters so we know who's who

could you give me your credit card information and the three digits on the back so I can get to know you a little better first? as a fun little ice breaker.

[solaris-system]

I know i don’t post here a lot anymore but i still see the discourse going on about whether or not endogenic plurals “can” identify as systems. Obviously it’s a topic that not the entire DID community is going to agree on. Expecting a unified answer from the DID community is a fools errand. There’s a lot of us just here on tumblr with as many opinions as we have alters.

You just have to decide for yourself fam. For me, it’s like. I experience violent mood swings. I don’t call myself borderline because I know its not a symptom of BPD I’m experiencing.

I go through periods of depression and periods of activity i call mania. I don’t have bipolar disorder (its behavior linked to other things as far as my psychologist and I could tell, I went in for bipolar and came out with DID) But I identify with the experiences of my bipolar friends’ manic episodes and I identify my experiences as manic states so thats the word I use.

Being a system of dissociated parts is ultimately a symptom of a larger disorder. If you find comfort and community in the DID community with that word, go for it. Just acknowledge the nuance of it to yourself and for the love of god stop talking over us. If however, what a DID system experiences and what you experience seem to be vastly different with very little overlap, it might be worth seeking alternative words than the one we use to describe our disorder

[souldivided]

should people experiencing plurality that’s not formed by trauma use a term other than “system” to describe ourselves? genuinely asking, i don’t want to use terms that are not for us, or that would give traumagenic systems seeking a community the wrong idea about what we are. please please please be nuanced in the comments

[solaris-system]

My opinion: As a DID system who doesn’t gaf about endogenic “systems” so long as they aren’t speaking over our community, system is slang for system of dissociated parts and iirc comes directly from the theory of structural dissociation. So like you can in the same way someone without OCD might say “I struggle with compulsive behavior” if they’re describing a symptom. If someone identifies as endo and believes the term applies to them whatever. But terms like collective, team, or similar might be better just because of the issue that has happened and is happening wrt differentiating between DID systems and endogenic plurality.