She is a side character with less importance than Shikimaru, but apparently consideration to suddenly make her a heroine were made because how popular she is was.
That perfectly appeals to someone wanting to wank to a mary sue existing in his imagination.
You are stating information I never disputed and implying I did; redherring/strawman. Your claim that she was constantly being physically and mentally abused by her family for years is unfounded, and neither does it explain the degree of Hinataās shyness. Kids bullying Hinata because of her Byakugan was so dumb. Hyuga clan is a noble clan of Konoha and everyone has probably seen those eyes. She wasnāt bullied in the manga/anime and Naruto did not interact with her until the Chuunin exams. But here Naruto is saving her from bullies. It was simply something pasted into her background so people can feel bad for her and for Naruto to save her.
Iāve seen the movie; ad hominem are amusing as they reflect the personās desperation and bankrupcy.
The scene implies just what I stated. At the beginning of the movie, we have kid Naruto saving Hinata and knowing about Shadow Clone Jutsu, when exploring Hinataās memories we have her playing with kid Naruto.
You are cornered: Retcon with a bigger retcon, or retcon with Naruto decieved by false memories into ālovingā Hinata through a genjutsu.
A bunch of characters in Naruto stalked before. Someone who loves a character recognizes what makes the character great, and the characterās shortcomings, and hope that the character develops through those shortcoming. But thats not you. You just want to wank to a marysue you can only see while wearing Shinoās shipping glasses. Since you do not care about any characterās happiness except Hina-hime-sama, you donāt care about characters being two dimensional and shallow, you donāt care about the quality of writing and donāt differentiate between bad and good writing, you donāt care about characters losing all their development, it is true that conversation with you is fruitless with those radically different foundational criteria. Delusion and cognitive dissonance from your part does not help any either.
So obsessively watching Naruto stealthily (ie. stalking) is not a stalking? Even if it was once, you couldāve hoped that she grew out of it, but dear god, it is impossible to criticize your mary sue!
I believe this instance is enough to prove my point.
She uses her byakugan to stealthily check Narutoās bag and frog wallet, and then suggest going to Ichiraku ramen. Iāll leave figuring out the unfortunate implications of that to you.
Her fainting refutes Naruto being any close friend with Naruto after the Chunin exam (zero development) as she canāt even talk with him except behind a tree, let alone Naruto loving her. Wasted development.
You did not deny that the scarf had sentimental value; in other words it was not just a hobby. Did the scarfās value compete with Hanabiās value? Yes. Therefore she is a terrible sister.
No matter how you look at it; that is a pathetic showing from a chunin+ level kunoichi. She is still a ninja and could do flips. But being enticed by a mary sue being saved, that doesnāt matter to you.
You wouldnāt recognize bad writing and forced interaction if it used genjutsu on you if Hina-hime-sama is included.
Confessing, which adds nothing to the plot, before doing anything is not coming down to confess. She went to help Naruto even when she admitted she canāt help him, and rushed to her death with no plan to help/defend Naruto or attack Pein. Man, you wank your fantasy mary sues hard. Even if it requires an asspull that Naruto is secretly a retarded scumbag all along. As I said, your criteria is different from the typical person as it doesnāt include development or avoidness of asspulls.
She commented about how Narutoās hand is warm, manly and giving her comfort. That is obsession; she canāt keep her thoughts straight after her brother figure died when Naruto is around.
Right, Naruto blushing around the person he considers just a friend, he wants to peak on his just a friend in the hot springs, he breaks his own heart just to keep his just a friend happy and see her smile, he wants to keep his promise so he can confess to his just a friend, he tells his dead dad that his just a friend is more or less his girlfriend, he wants to go on a date with his just a friend.
Pretending to love her for devious hidden motives is in fact emotional manipulation. Deliberately lying straight to his dead fatherās face is in fact despicable. But of course, it doesnāt matter how Narutoās characters goes down the drain for Hina-hime-sama.
Incorrect; Kishimoto in one of his contradicting interview stated that they were redherrings. The fact that you defend the use of redherrings (extremly difficult to use correctly) in what is balatant bad writing and disregard of actual development is part of your wanking ritual.
You also reject principles laws of logic such as causality for your mary sue. You actually think Haku read Zabuzaās thought like a Yamanakaā¦ Maybe he/she heard the dogs Kakashi summoned? Maybe he/she trained in situational awareness through the mist like Zabuza? Maybe he/she listened to the lengthy conversation Zabuza and Kakashi had? Maybe he/she listened to kakashiās chidori? Nope, there is no causality; he/she sensed him due to senseless plot!
Glad to see your expectation of canon Naruhina development. As long as mary sue gets the D, everythingās perfect.
Wow. So 7 years without seeing her as more than an acquaintance. 2 years with Zero development after a failfession and hand holding and Naruhinaās developed. Sigh.
You attacked strawmen and did not address a single point about the writing exam. An act being nobel does not mean it is not single-minded, foolish, or selfish. For selfishness does not discriminate between nobel and dishonest.
You claim she knew Naruto. How? By being an obsessive stalker? You call lack of interaction development, so whatever you say wouldnāt surprise me anymore. Does Naruto understand her? Does his feelings matter at all? No. Because we are talking about your mary sue. You claim she knew Naruto. How? By obsessively stalking him?
That does not equal knowledge of a teammate you actually interacted with for multiple months. And according to you, Hinata is justified to push them aside for nothing for the guy she obsessively stalked (or know nothing about).
According to Hinata, her teammate who is possibly getting hospitalized lost the debate on who gets the healing salve first; he can wait, for her crush got a scratch on his arm. She puts her crush she didnāt get to know before everyone else for her personal feelings.
What about Naruto? Does he know her? Does his feelings matter? Nope, because you are talking about your fantasy mary sue you wanna wank to.
It seems you are unable to make up your mind (damn cognitive dissonance). Did Hinata want to confess or not? Spoiler: She did. Did Hinata care about dying and making the situation worse for everybody, and guilting the guy she confessed to, her bodyguard, her teammates, her family? Nope.
Hey! She should make a scene and attack her teammates, that might be shocking for Pein that it would distract him. I know it has a very low chance, but it might help Naruto! That is similar logic.
Once again, you are unable to cite an instance where Hinata was not thinking any selfish thoughts of Naruto that are not centered on her. Obsessive & selfish; how efficient of her.
The world got progressively worse until a eventually world war broke out in Hashiramaās time. The cycle is not different, and Naruto failed Nagato.
Sasuke was ready to die at the end of his Naruto fight, but Naruto gave him hope and told him heāll include him in his plans to change the system. What happens? The military dictatorship system is still the same. He lets Sasuke leave in a redemption trip, even though Naruto never saw Sasuke as guilty and promised that heāll never let him shoulder anything alone.
How is it different from the Kage summit? The kages are friends with each other? What about the next greedy/pressured kage or the next Danzo? What about lands, resources, and missions conducted by asassins?
I am not saying that periods of peace donāt exist, but the tragedies created by the shinobi system are unaddressed as the system is unchanged. The chunin exams simulating wars and allowing genins to be killed is enough.
The chunin exams have a giant flatscreen monitor. Hospitals have advanced medical equipments. Wars can still happen regardless of technology.
While there are no recent wars (yet, Bolt is getting a whole mini-series) or evidence of Konoha running itself into the ground, there is no evidence to support otherwise. Just because Konoha is larger and more modernized does not mean the corrupt ninja system is redeemed or rectified. Quoting Karui: āWe donāt need to force them to learn combinations, do we?ā. Apparently children are still being forced to learn ninja skills. Youād think somebody is eventually going to use them. The same mistakes of neglecting kids and forcing them through loneliness is made. We know Sasukeās definition of Hokage, but what we know of Narutoās is that it requires neglecting his children to fulfill mysterious duties.
Your statement that Naruto;s and Sasukeās children are not neglected, and that Sasuke and other characters got their resolution and that there are no plot holes broke the strawā you are hopeless. I believe most of the rest of your points were addressed at some point, Iāll adress them briefly.Ā
Hinataās a main house genius; dying for her is dying for the main house.
I am describing Hinataās character, not a mary sue. Deal with it. The authorās job is to rein in their characters so that we know that yes, a character has flaws, but they also have strengths that need to be refined, which allows us to apperciate the character for what they stand for. Hinataās flaws are standing out, and Kishimoto doesnāt do a good job at taming them that her potential as a likable character is lost.
Leaving the Narusaku thing here:
http://dattebyeo.tumblr.com/post/103952944032/proof-of-narusaku-from-the-manga
Didnāt find the luffy likes Nami thing. Nonetheless, you canāt dismiss the authority of SJ. Your claim is an asspull if not a retcon.
Squirming to dismiss Sai is hilarious.
Sakura and Hinata had a CHILDISH crush! Therefore they must move on. The hypocrisy and double standards is appalling.
Naruto and Sakura in the movie stated that loving food and romantic love is the same thing to Naruto. There is no degrees. Furthermore, you are accepting that Naruto consciously treated his friends like food.
Post-Hinata Naruto is a hypocrite who was about to abandon everyone, and stated that he doesnāt care anymore, because he got rejected. Badly written fanfiction that contradict the manga (The not-so-Last movie) does not count.
More mary sue worship bullcrap that Naruto secretly had feelings for Hinata for the entire manga, he just didnāt show it. That is crack. That is zero development
Let Kiba almost be killed be Pein. Same thing happens.
Let Shikimaru almost be killed by Pein. Same thing happens.
Let Gaara almost be killed by Pein. Same thing happens.
The confession had ZERO bearing on the plot. He never shown that he saw her more than an acquintance.
Sakura was so desperate in the movie she looked guilty when Hinata asked her why she is helping. They need to stick together to force their men to love them. She told Naruto Hinata is too good for him, but still pushes him to Hinata.
Her quote is in line with her creepy personality. She is basicly telling Naruto that he is a dick if he doesnāt return Hinataās feelings, and that women are incapable of moving on. Since she canāt wank over Sasuke, she continues her selfish guilt trip and emotional manipulation hobby over other people, regardless of their feelings.
Changing the quote doesnāt work. She didnāt say there will always be remnants of that feeling, she said feelings DONāt CHANGE.
Hinata loving Naruto when he is popular will paint her as a gold digger in peopleās eyes. More double standards.
Zero reason was given otehr than being hot and cool. Even Karin was given a good reason out of nowhere. Sakura got flashbacks of observing hot & cool Sasuke. She never inquired about what he wants or what he feels. She never tried to understand him.
Canon SS & NH shows how an unhealthy relationship misfunctions.
Iāll leave it at that:
I didnāt really make Sakura out to be a āheroineā, my point of view had been that if a somewhat dislikeable character was introduced, I wondered if it would become interestingā¦ I created Naruto and created Sasuke, the last one was Sakura. But I think sheās a cheerful, good character. The type that wants to be leader and is energetic and, in front of Sasuke, childlike. That is what I decided was the way of the keyword Sakura. -Kishimoto
I love how you state how Sakuraās love is more meaningful that Inoās.
So according to you, if Sakura moved on from Sasuke then she either had a crush, or she would be a terrible woman.I bid you farewell. Donāt wank too hard.
