#3.4.3

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Nooo Enjolras don’t defend Rousseau abandoning his children your so sexy aha

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3.4.3

A chapter full of references I should look up and am not going to!

I’m pretty sure Bahorel and Combeferre’s theatre discussion has been meta’d, if only because every scrap of dialog any of the amis have has been meta’d, but I don’t remember any of the context that said meta offered for the exchange. I know Combeferre’s duck thing has been meta’d but, again, I couldn’t tell you what it said.

Anyway, the point is that Marius is feeling overwhelmed by this whole thing. This is nothing like what he’s used to, on any level. And I feel for him, I really do. As a person who meant to go to a meeting the other day and got as far as poking my head through the door and realizing that the room was hot and full of strangers before turning around and bailing, I get that sense of being socially overwhelmed. Honestly kudos to Marius for not taking one look inside and just running away forever. (Again, when Marius is just Marius-ing along, I have a lot of sympathy for him! It’s just when you start involving other people, especially women people, that I have a hard time.)

And not only that, but he’d just started feeling secure in his opinions, had just had the confidence born of defying his grandfather and Taking A Position, and now he suddenly finds that position being rocked again. And I feel for him there too. He thinks he had it all figured out, he did all this research, he agonized about it for weeks, and now within days of finally taking his stand he comes across a whole new set of ideas he hadn’t even thought to consider.

And, like, we know that Marius is Marius, so we know how he’s ultimately going to react to this, but Hugo is definitely setting us up to feel sympathy for him when he does retreat. Courfeyrac couldn’t know, but Marius is super not ready for this kind of thing, and very ill equipped to handle it. Hugo definitely wants us to excuse Marius for his reactions. Like, he doesn’t want us to agree with Marius and his opinions, but he does want us to excuse them.

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3.4.3

I love the descriptions of Courfeyrac taking Marius under his wings and not asking him any questions. He asks him about his politics and then introduces him to the group. I really like that the way the amis are described is like a hornet’s nest. They are continually buzzing with opinions, whereas Marius had settled on one opinion, that of Bonapartism of his father and considered it absolute. The hornet’s nest analogy also helps explain his inner turbulence by staying in the company of these young people. He is seeing and absorbing many different ideas on several subjects.

It’s also interesting that his fixed views are described as a particular way of seeing the horizons, because that was one of the ways Combeferre was described, as someone whose eye was on the horizons signifying the future, but Combeferre signifies light and he also reads extensively on topics and is able to present both sides of the argument.  

Combeferre’s canards analogy, becomes an argument to keep both the classical tragedy alongside the Romantic tragedy while Bahorel is arguing for the Romantic theatre. It does also bring out Combeferre looking at both sides of the argument and it fits with his character of wanting progress to come naturally, whereas Bahorel wants to uproot the old system.  

Much has also been said about Courfeyrac’s Rousseau joke, but it does highlight how much Courfeyrac values personal relationships and is also very much not-Tholomyes, while Enjolras does not care about Rousseau’s personal life, only his philosophy. Enjolras is looking at the bigger picture and it is obvious that he does not care for personal love just yet. He is concerned with all of humanity.

Enjolras is willing to overlook Rousseau’s faults of abandoning his own children, Donougher mentions in the notes that Rousseau was the one who abandoned them. Courfeyrac on the other hand argues for the abandoned children. Also, he makes a dreadful pun, which makes me love him all the more.  Although, personally, their different focus does mirror Bahorel and Combeferre’s argument and also shows that people can concern themselves with different ideas/opinions while working towards an idea with all their heart. It’s why these young individuals exist together as a hornet’s nest of different opinions yet still manage to be friends.

Prouvaire’s Napoleon reference seems to be such a nod to Gerard de Nerval writing poems about Napoleon in his youth but also Prouvaire himself might have liked Napoleon initially and therefore speaks of him softly.

3.4.4

We are still within that hornet’s nest of opinions being thrown around and debated and Marius is witness to all that. I love the way it has been described, ‘words were tossed about and caught.’ It’s a genuine community through friendship and Marius has found himself in the middle of it.

There’s also Enjolras and Marius, who are both quiet. Enjolras who does not need to say anything, he is happy in the fact that all his favourite people are here, and ideas are flowing. Marius is quiet because all the ideas are new for him.  

Grantaire is trying to forget despair through drink and he is evoking a mixture of history and memory. He has his sights fixed on the ideal much as Enjolras, but being his inverse, he sees everything that is unattainable. Grantaire talks about men being vicious to each other and yet still believes in friendship, a lot of it is probably surface level with him but he is actively not helping, he is being a genuine nuisance here. He is seeing things that are wrong, but instead of mobilising towards action, it only propels him towards inaction. He also thinks that everything follows the rules of success- success might be an allusion to NII and therefore Grantaire as a relatively bourgeois student is despairing of ever changing the political scenario. And that despair is turned into a rant and inaction. He has lived through several turbulent scenarios in his life so far and those have served to only disappoint him.

And not just a nuisance, he also tries to harass Louison.

Only he does praise Paris, which ought to please Hugo.

And then Bossuet comes in between. Bossuet ends up doing things actively which is a direct argument against Grantaire and his despair. He stops Grantaire from harassing Louison, he tells Grantaire to stop speaking because he is spewing out nonsense and Grantaire still manages to make fun of that.

I love the dialogue between Bahorel and Joly. Not only is Bahorel making a dirty joke- ‘get down on your knees’- Bahorel, you immense dork! But he and Joly are talking about equal partnership for women. Bahorel’s mistress and Bahorel have an agreement, not only that, Bahorel likes that she laughs. I need to dial things back to the French Revolution because that was when an active discussion was started about what should women’s place be in families, during divorce, etc. and a lot of women did fight to get more rights for themselves, according to the Family on Trial in Revolutionary France. Bahorel is I feel, honouring those principles, or at least as a French Romantic/Bousingot, he’s giving her freedom in the relationship and they share a mutual understanding. Even in his advice, he is advocating Joly to please Musichetta.

Prouvaire in his Romanticism is defending pagan mythology, probably a nod to the rejection of traditional religion by the Romantics in favour of a social/artistic revolution, as well as to the Petit Cenacle Romantics- part of Hugo’s army against the Classicists. Prouvaire’s comparison to Nerval seems obvious, and in later chapters Hugo quotes Nerval as saying God is dead. I really love the nod by Hugo to his friend. He is also intrepid in his discussion which has the thrill of lyrics and laughter.

Much has already been said about the Charter of 1814, but I would like to say that I love Courfeyrac being described as energetic and fiery throughout their dialogue which ends with the charter in the flames, this is some really nice symbolism here and Courfeyrac is dazzling here while Combeferre attemprts to defend the Charter very weakly. I do like Combeferre’s role in the group as the devil’s advocate, arguing the other side even if he may not be convinced by it.

I also like the conversations being described as a merry bombardment, I can see parallels to Waterloo even here, except that there is no one leader, just several different young people with different ideas and voices who are focused on an ideal -progress.

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Marius’ Astonishments

Courfeyrac and Marius quickly become friends. One day, Courfeyrac asks Marius about his political beliefs, and Marius tells him that he’s a democrat-Bonapartist.

The next day, Courfeyrac takes Marius to the Musain to meet the friends of the a b c. Marius finds himself overwhelmed and beginning to question, once again, his beliefs.

Whenever they talk about Napoleon, they never say “the Emperor,” and Enjolras even pronounces it “Buonaparte.”

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Brickclub Les Mis 3.4.3

Marius starts chilling with Courfeyrac's friends. We get two sample conversations: Bahorel & Combeferre talking theater (the duck!) in a way that looks a lot like they're sympathetic to Hugo's set, and Enjolras rebuking Courfeyrac for joking about Rousseau to Marius. 

I sort of wonder whether Feuilly would agree with Enjolras or not. Enjolras defends Rousseau for choosing the people over his children, Feuilly is an abandoned child who chose the people having no other family.  

The whole 'Bonaparte'/'Napoléon'/'Buonaparte' distinction has political meaning IIRC, but other than Gillenormand's strongly-anti-emperor Royalist set using 'Buonaparte', I don't remember the exact connotations. I think the basic gist is that they don't especially like him, Enjolras most of all, and Prouvaire's a bit more chill.

Marius s'étonnait vaguement = truer words rarely spoken. Our poor noodle.

Combeferre calls Bahorel 'tu', Courf is still using 'vous' with Marius.