#4kota analysis

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Nasiens and Kiane Parallels

So... there's this post that made me want to reread 7ds and 4kota solely for the purpose of finding parallels between Nasiens and Kiane and I found some.

Popped Collars

This may just be a coincidence since there are multiple characters that has popped collars in their outfit designs but there is something I found interesting here.

There have been four Nasiens drips so far. We have his initial drip, the one that Anne gave them, the one that the crew got from Liones, and his time-skip drip. Out of those four, there are two that have popped collars. His initial design and his time-skip outfit.

We saw him wear this specific design motif in his home and homeland.

Looking back in 7ds, after King got his full wings and his outfit design changed, he has a popped collar. Even in the two different designs Nakaba gave him in 4kota he kept that popped collar

When Diane had her outfit change in Season 3 she wore something with a popped collar and her current outfit has a popped collar as well.

Oh and guess who also has popped collars

The Rock Throwing

Pretty self-explanatory. I don't need to explain

The length of Nasiens' pants

Again... maybe this is just a coincidence.

In a sense, King's pants make sense design-wise. His Sin tattoo is just right above his ankle so in order to show it his pants need to look the way it does.

In total, there have been three instances where Nasiens's pants stops right below his knee, just like King's.

Condensed Power

This is the part where I may just be looking too hard into things but like... the way Nasiens does this just has the same vibes as Condensed Power. You know that thing that King did that one time that essentially thought Meliodas Trillion Dark, yeah that.

Nasiens and King are first introduced with an antagonist-type energy

The first time King shows up is when Gilthunder is talking to him about the other Sin's movements, there's an implication that they are working together and since at the time Gilthunder is already established as an antagonist the idea of King possibly being an antagonist too is placed.

These two panels are the only ones actually shown in the anime. A post-credit scene too and in the manga there's more to it. King seems independent, and he has his own motives and doesn't want anyone getting in his way. If anything this shows King as a potential threat to both the Holy Knights and the Sins.

Then, the first thing King did was try to kill Ban so yeah.

In Nasiens' case, the fairies of the Gorge hyped him up to be a bad guy and his appearance and actions matched this.

We first met Nasiens and Diane in some type of Foresty place

Forest of White Dreams and Echo Gorge

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So... This has be rattling around in my head for a while... About "Disaster"...

Are we sure that it's supposed to be every Fairy King's shared magical ability? And are we actually sure that it's Gloxinia's?

It's what's listed on the wiki, but if you've seen my posts before you know how much that means to me... There's no citation on the wiki for this being stated as his ability, and he has powers that Harlequin does not.

It occurred to me some time ago that... that's no what Merlin said. She said that Harlequin's power, "Disaster", is "A very fitting power for the Fairy King"(This is the direct quote from the anime), but that doesn't actually mean it's the power of the Fairy King as a rank. Just that it suits the station.

We know now that Nasiens is the next Fairy King, and we know his magical ability isn't "Disaster", it's "Venom Mixing". And we see Sixtus wield his weapon in a similar fashion of how the Fairy Kings wield their Spirit Spears, which doesn't appear to actually have anything to do with "Disaster". So... is "Disaster" truly Gloxinia's ability? What is Dahlia's power? Have we just been assuming this all along?

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4KOTA Thoughts

Ok, so the Jericho episode is out.

I haven't watched it but I'll give my two cents regarding that scene. Ya know, the one where we find out that Jericho is a pedo and her main reason for serving Arthur is so she can have the false reality she wants instead of facing the real world and doing what she needs to do, which is get over Lancelot because ma'am that is a child.

This is an instance of show don't tell, where through showing both us and Lancelot Jericho's current state, we learn how Arthur gets people to join his side:

He gives them what they want, not what they need.

In this instance, Jericho wants a world where she can love Lancelot 'as a man' or a world where her love for him is normal. But what she needs is to accept that simply will never happen and get over this love. But going after what you want is a lot easier than admitting and finding what you need. She's back to how she was in the early days of 7DS. Except instead of it being her hating Ban and needing to learn to love herself, she's latching onto an unhealthy love instead of letting it go.

This 'what you want, not what you need' mentality is even reflected with Arthur. He wanted a kingdom where humans could live safely. In theory, that's great. But the way that Arthur puts the theory into practice is where we see a 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' scenario play out. Arthur isolated Camelot with the use of Chaos to keep humans trapped in a bubble where only humans would be allowed. What Arthur needed to do to keep humans safe was to learn how to work with the other races in a peaceful manner. And given he knows the Sins, he easily could have done that.

Diane and King are the rulers of their respected races, with Meliodas and Elizabeth being real damn high on the pecking order of the Demons and Goddesses. However, because Arthur went after what he wanted rather than what he needed, we currently have the events of 4KOTA.

In a way, he reflects the Sins. But while the Sins overcame their flaws, Arthur is falling further and further into his. How much of this is Arthur and how much of this is Chaos is up for debate, but I am hoping that Nakaba does something interesting with this parallel.

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Y'all

I just thought of something

So, with the demon woman that's popped up in the last few chapters, the one with Tristan atm, I was thinking about how some people have theorized that she might be related to someone we know, right?

Now, despite that, there's not really much that connects her to really anyone we know, tbh, but then I had a thought

What if she is related to someone we know, but not as their kid?

Now, I have no idea if this is the first time someone has thrown this idea out here or not. I have yet to see it, but of course, that doesn't mean someone hasn't posted it, okay?

But here's the thing. I was thinking about it, and like, why does Percy have so many random connections to the demon race? I mean, he can literally speak the demon language as easily as he can English and of course, there was that whole weird ass demon(?) spell he used on Chion when he thought Anne, Nasiens, and Donny were all dead.

Again, I'm sure lots of people have theorized on why that is and someone might've already thought of this, or at least part of it, but what if, if IO (just remembered her name, LMAO) is someone related to anyone we know, which in all honesty is actually highly unlikely, I know that, but if she is, what if she's Percy's mom? Or somehow related to Percy's mother?

Like, Percy's dad is Ironside and so far it doesn't seem at all like he's anything but human, but we know absolutely nothing about his mom so far, but, at least based on everything we know so far, no one really has some kind of demonic trait or ability like Percy's without having some kind of connection to the demon realm/a demon, right? And even if it isn't IO isn't his mom, since again, that seems very unlikely, tbh, I think that his mom is still some sort of demon, or half demon. Or maybe Ironside is half demon, who knows. But I'm betting more on his demon connection coming from his mom, tbh, not his dad

So, just somethings I was thinking about, so there y'all go, lmao

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What is Nasiens?

In light of what is currently going on in the manga. I'm gonna talk about this one.

So, if I'm being perfectly honest, at this point, I don't care about the Nasiens-is-a-girl theory. To me, Nasiens is Nasiens and I love him regardless of what his gender may be and after looking through the raws of Chapter 139, all will be revealed in Chapter 140.

So, here's the thing. The theory about Nasiens being a girl, makes sense, it has merit I'm not gonna deny that however the only reason why I had issues with the theory for so long now is because there's no reason for Nasiens to hide his true gender.

Characters hiding their identity always stems from the reason why they're hiding these things. The character's reason for hiding their true identity is so important that it bugged me to no end on why on earth nobody has ever spoken about the reason Nasiens is hiding his true gender.

Now, here's the deal. Nasiens' identity reveal can go two ways.

1. Nasiens is a girl (just like everyone assumes)

2. Nasiens is a fairy and has tiny wings on his back.

I don't think Nakaba will do both. (I'll be astounded if he did)

Now, with Nasiens being a fairy and has wings in my head actually makes sense and it follows the thought process of the first one.

Let me explain, as far as I know, the reason why people theorize that Nasiens is a girl is his refusal and embarrassment to be seen at least half naked by people (I don't really follow the theory it may not just be this) because you know Nasiens will be revealing his top and if Nasiens is a girl there will be two things that dudes shouldn't see.

Let's put that logic into this. Nasiens doesn't want people to see his body because he's hiding something. It may just be Fairy Wings, and here comes the why that the Nasiens-is-a-girl theory is missing.

Nasiens is raised in a forest filled with fairies. Fairies are known for two things, their wings and their ability to fly. If Nasiens is secretly a fairy and has tiny wings he would obviously suspect his own identity, they may just have sprouted recently, maybe along with his magic, who knows. But the point is, Nasiens has wings and he can't fly, this to him is an abnormality and he would obviously feel embarrassed to even talk about it let alone show anyone, especially now that he's literally in the Fairy Realm.

Even King has shown insecurity at the fact that he, The Fairy King doesn't have wings but hey at least he can fly. But Nasiens, for his entire life assumed that he's human just one day sprouting wings, Nasiens knows that he's adopted by Ordo and this phenomenon could very much help him learn what his true identity which I think did intrigued and made him feel a bit relieved that now he knows some truth about who he really is. But, ever heard of a fairy that can't fly, that's just ridiculous. Lancelot technically can fly, even if he has to transform to do it but hey can still do it.

But that's just me and my rambling mind. You know me when it comes to Fairies and my fav characters I'll talk and talk.

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🎁🎉🎂Happy Birthday Harlequin!🎂🎉🎁

Last year I designed an outfit for him, and I intend to do that this year as well, but since it took me till the 27th to finish Elaine's(her birthdays was the 15th) I'm not super confident that I'll have that finished on time. If I do, you're probably looking at that right now, but if not! Then at least this will be out on time.

Well that didn't work... My sleep schedual betrayed me and I didn't even get this posted on time... I meant to take a nap. I set 3 alarms. Did not work. Slept for 15 hours...

Anyway, this year, along side the outfit design, I'll also be doing an analysis that I've been wanting to do for quite a long while.

A name analysis!

Most of the characters in The Seven Deadly Sins -at least the important ones- have names relating to Arthurian myth, as the story is kind a based in it. But this, oddly enough, doesn't apply to almost any of the Fairies, even Harlequin -AKA "King"- despite him being one of the titular characters.

Meliodas and Ban are the fathers of two of Arthur's knight, Tristian and Lancelot respectively, Merlin is Merlin, iirc there are two different Escanors depending on the story, and Gowther is...apparently Merlin's half-brother according a glance at google... Diane's namesake is a little harder to track down, but she's not directly Arthurian either from what I can gather. As far as I know the only Fairy who does align with Arthurian myth is Elaine, but the Elaine that's Ban's wife is not the only Elaine you'll find in Arthurian stories, it was a common name.

Anyway

Most people know the word "harlequin". Simply put it's a french clown.

-Oh and apparently also a duck XD

BUT

Not everyone who knows that, knows where the word comes from, or what the king of the Fairies would have it for a name.

The origin of the word is actually a lot older than the french clown concept and isn't actually french all the way back. here's what Google has to say;

"late 16th century: from obsolete French, from earlier Herlequin (or Hellequin ), the name of the leader of a legendary troop of demon horsemen; perhaps ultimately related to Old English Herla cyning ‘King Herla’, a mythical figure sometimes identified with Woden."

I actually learned this from a youtube video some years back, by Overly Sarcastic Productions. It's a Halloween episode discussing the concept of the "Wild Hunt". I highly recommend the video and the channel as a whole, they're really great, very funny and you learn a lot. The video is a little under 17 minutes long, though, so if you're only interested in the part relevant this analysis jump to 11:05 in the video.

For anyone who doesn't want to watch that and would rather read me summerize it, in the video it's explained that the Scandinavian version of the Wild Hunt is called "Odin's Hunt" but in Old English it's called "Herlaþing" which means "Herla's Assembly". Herla being a King of the Britons who makes a deal with a dwarf where the two attend each other's weddings. The dwarf is a perfect guest at Herla's wedding and the following year Herla goes to the dwarf kingdom to return the favor. When he leaves the dwarf gives him a hunting dog and warns him not to get off his horse till the dog does. When they get back the dog doesn't get off the horse, Herla asks a random person they pass how his wife is doing only to find out that 3 days in dwarfland = 300 years in humanland. Some of his men are shocked and get off their horses, only to age to dust when they touch the ground, so Herla is stuck riding his horse for eternity.

The concept of an eternal wander was popular and in the 11th century a french monk/chronicler used the phrase "Familia Herlequin" to describe a host of demons pursuing a monk, lead by a masked giant. This masked hunt leader would evolve into the character we now know as a "harlequin", a trickster character is french passion plays.

God, king and trickster presented as a fool, that actually kinda tracks, doesn't it?

And that, is why the king of the Fairies is named Harlequin.

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I'm having a HORRIBLE day, so let's talk about Fairy wings some more...

Specifically, Tioreh and Belte, the only two of Harlequin's kids who have wings so far.

We have the most info on Tioreh.

She has a single set of yellow, translucent*, cell veined wings. They're extremely typical for a Fairy. The only oddity is that she has them so early.

*(while the 3D model from the video game doesn't show the translucence, several of the manga panels here actually do. And while it's inconsistent across media weather Fairy wings are always translucent or not, I'm actually willing to differ to the manga on this one.)

Belte seems to have much the same.

We don't know what color they are, but he still has a single set with what appears to be at least nearly identical vein patterning to his sister. Though his seem to be a little smaller than Tioreh's.

Both children have very average wings.

We know basically nothing about how Fairy genetics work, but from what I can tell, the shape and vein configuration match their father...but it's weird that both kids only have a single set when Harlequin has two.

Even if the kids' wings will eventually get bigger, -which we don't know that they will, they could be fully evolved already since the proportioning looks fine- Harlequin had all four of his wings when they first sprouted so that wouldn't explain the difference.

My studies of Fairy physiology also haven't found any correlation between number of wings and... anything, really. It just seems as random as anything else. Though, having a single set is more common in Fairies overall. By a lot, actually... so genetically, maybe it is a dominant vs. recessive thing?

We also don't know if color means anything. Harlequin's are blue, which is unusual for a Fairy king specifically. Yellow, Tioreh's color, is the 3rd most common among the Fairy clan and Elaine's are also yellow, so genetically that might just be fine.

And while its weird to even try and figure out if genetics should be a discussion, since Fairies don't usually happen this way, I think its a fair argument that they do since nearly all the kids look and seem to behave at least somewhat like their parents. With similar eye shapes, body types, and facial structures, and Tioreh clearly exhibiting Diane's excitability.

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Are Fairies like bees?

I was talking with @juiceyobsessionist about headcanons and they said that since the Fairy Kings look rather different than the average Fairy they might classify as a kind of subspecies. I suggested it was more like how queen bees look different from the rest of the hive and we agreed on that.

But that got me to thinking a little deeper. Because the Fairy Kings aren't the only ones who look quite like they do, they certainly have distinguishing features, but there are other Fairies that look similar. Fairies like Elain and Gerheade. But they're princesses so maybe that just counts the same in Fairies. Still what about Fairies like Helbram? He's not born from the Sacred Tree as far as we know, he's just a Fairy.

The point is, maybe it's like in bee hives there's the queen, workers and drones. And all three types look different from each other and serve different purposes in the colony.

Of course it's not 1:1.

Fairies don't really have "work" so there's no need for "workers" and Fairies don't typically breed so there's no need for "drones". And, obviously the Fairy King doesn't serve the same literal purpose as a queen bee.

Though looking at Harlequin and Diane, you could have fooled me ;P

The Fairy King's job is to protect the Fairy King's Forest, the Fountain of Youth(while it was a thing) and the Fairy Clan as a whole.

The average Fairy would be like the workers? Or maybe it's more like drones since they don't really have much a social purpose, beyond existing as a population.(Again, not 1:1)

And then there's third kind of Fairy. The kind like Helbram and a number of other Fairies we see in the Fairy King's Forest. They have a more human-like appearance and seem to be stronger than average Fairies, but are still smaller and weaker than fully grown Fairy Kings. Perhaps these are meant to be sort of like soldiers in ant colonies.

Something I've observed is that between Fairy examples we've seen from various locations(The Fairy King's Forest, Benwick, Echo Gorge, and Alpa Forest) The Fairy King's Forest has the lowest percentage of "drone" Fairies. Though that wasn't always so. Prior to Helbram's "human incident" there were a lot more of this smaller, weaker type of Fairy. And the other locations listed have few, or even zero "soldier" type Fairies observable.(Data on this is provided by animated sources wherever possible. If an animate source is not available the manga is used. Note that factors regarding Fairy physical traits is harder to parse and compare, and has reduced consistency in the manga. This is why animated sources are favored.)

I don't know that any of this actually has anything to do with social structure. Since Fairy don't really seem to have that for the most part. But it's interesting to see the physical differences and wonder about why those differences exist.