Hi! Previous anon, I totoally agree, I hope I didn’t misspeak. (English is not my first language). I definitely don’t think Tommy was redeemed, far from it. I think there is so much he could have and should have done to truly earn redemption. He was on the “right” path in a sense during the final. Because although personally I don’t think he could ever (and should never) earn forgiveness, we could have at least seen him try.
Like I love the finale but I hate that nuke. I wish we could’ve just had Dream and Tommy talking (maybe with Punz there to help backup Dream’s point and showcase to Tommy that even a third part/outside sees him as a problem) where Dream could systematically break down Tommy’s victim complex until he sees how much of a villain he truly is. Would’ve been glorious!
Call me biased but I just wish they had scrapped the nuke idea to instead go down a route where Tommy actually does have to work for forgiveness (again, still love the finale! Just a minor nit pick on my part).
Thank you for responding so kindly and for pointing out Tommy’s often overlooked selfishness, it helped to have someone agree with me, so I’ll probably send more asks in the future ^^
Yes please send more asks!!!!
Yeah if Tommy was actually in a place where he'd change it'd be cool to see that. (and to be fair the world there was a lot of simultaneous apocalypses.)
I wish there had been a little more time at least. A longer moment where Tommy listens without editorializing would have been super interesting.
It's hard for me to imagine it though. Dream is not particularly great at articulating his perspective or being persuasive, and Punz is a bit... abrasive and not likely to give Tommy of all people any more chances.
I don't know. I understand wanting Tommy to actually reflect on his actions and repent but it's hard for me to see it happening and feeling realistic. Tommy is really good with rhetoric and with only hearing what he wants to hear.
I guess it's a matter of character speculation: could Tommy work on himself, could Tommy swallow the bitter pill of reality without spitting it up a new delusion where he is and has always been absolutely in the right? Is Tommy capable of an apology or working towards being better? I've always felt given where things ended it's very hard to say.
The nuke to me is in it's own way the ultimate acknowledgement of Tommy's crimes. That by that point he's crossed the line, the dominos are already falling and his fate is to watch them crash as he realizes what he's done.
I personally love the nuke, but that's admittedly because Tubbo's one of my favorite characters so him actually getting his plot acknowledged is important to me, in the same way that Pandora's Vault (beloved torture box that it is) showing up is a big cheer moment for a lot of people.
Tommy plowed a path by beating down the souls of anyone who ever considered him an ally. And in the end, his victims allayed before him. Tommy forces Tubbo to use the nukes. Jack sabotages the nuke in the belief it might finally free him (and free them all) from Tommy. Dream and Punz weren't a threat to Tommy until he attacked.
And the nukes destroy everyone, destroy everywhere. That is what all of Tommy's quest for comfort, all the ways he tried to force people into his little boxes lead to. He dies in a box he orchestrated, by the choices he made and burns the world. All while the realization that he was wrong is fresh and clear.
